OKC Thunder Offseason 2015

Balkman32 · Post #661 » by **Balkman32** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 8:09 pm

Woj: Suns need to get off Markieff Morris/PJ Tucker in sign-and-trades or dumps to get closer to space needed for Chandler and Aldridge.

If we could find a taker for Novak and Jones we would have the room add Tucker.

Pillendreher · Post #662 » by **Pillendreher** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 8:13 pm

bondom34 wrote:If PHX gets LMA, they've got a great team, legitimate contender to me.

Whut? They're not going from borderline playoff-team to contender just by adding Chandler and LMA.

Post #663 » by **bondom34** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 8:14 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
bondom34 wrote:If PHX gets LMA, they've got a great team, legitimate contender to me.

Whut? They're not going from borderline playoff-team to contender just by adding Chandler and LMA.

I'd put them top 4 in the West for sure w/ OKC, LAC, and GSW. Chandler was way underrated and if the Spurs lose guys they traded for cap space and don't get a return I put the Suns there.

Post #664 » by **Andre Roberstan** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 8:17 pm

Can Tucker play SG?

Pillendreher · Post #665 » by **Pillendreher** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 8:22 pm

bondom34 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
bondom34 wrote:If PHX gets LMA, they've got a great team, legitimate contender to me.

Whut? They're not going from borderline playoff-team to contender just by adding Chandler and LMA.

I'd put them top 4 in the West for sure w/ OKC, LAC, and GSW. Chandler was way underrated and if the Spurs lose guys they traded for cap space and don't get a return I put the Suns there.

Chandler-LMA-Scrub-Scrub-Bledsoe/Knight

Does not a contender make

The Blazers had a better roster than that and they weren't contending.

KD35Brah · Post #666 » by **KD35Brah** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 8:25 pm

bondom34 wrote:If PHX gets LMA, they've got a great team, legitimate contender to me.

Nah

Any team with LMA as their main star is never a legitimate contender.

Never shoows up in the postseason. Massive chucker.

Balkman32 · Post #667 » by **Balkman32** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 8:38 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
Whut? They're not going from borderline playoff-team to contender just by adding Chandler and LMA.

I'd put them top 4 in the West for sure w/ OKC, LAC, and GSW. Chandler was way underrated and if the Spurs lose guys they traded for cap space and don't get a return I put the Suns there.

Chandler-LMA-Scrub-Scrub-Bledsoe/Knight

Does not a contender make

The Blazers had a better roster than that and they weren't contending.

TJ Warren was nice last year. Plus Alex Len and Devin Booker.

Post #668 » by **Andre Roberstan** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 8:39 pm

KD35Brah wrote:
bondom34 wrote:If PHX gets LMA, they've got a great team, legitimate contender to me.

Nah

Any team with LMA as their main star is never a legitimate contender.

Never shoows up in the postseason. Massive chucker.

He lit the Rockets on fire last year and was hurt this year. IDK where you're getting that from.

Balkman32 · Post #669 » by **Balkman32** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 8:41 pm

dbrandon wrote:Can Tucker play SG?

My understanding is that he is a 3. But, he shot 38% and 34% in the past two years from 3. He is a hard nose defender, he would probably replace Roberson in the starting lineup.

Pillendreher · Post #670 » by **Pillendreher** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 8:44 pm

Balkman32 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
bondom34 wrote:I'd put them top 4 in the West for sure w/ OKC, LAC, and GSW. Chandler was way underrated and if the Spurs lose guys they traded for cap space and don't get a return I put the Suns there.

Chandler-LMA-Scrub-Scrub-Bledsoe/Knight

Does not a contender make

The Blazers had a better roster than that and they weren't contending.

TJ Warren was nice last year. Plus Alex Len and Devin Booker.

That's still not enough in the West.

KD35Brah · Post #671 » by **KD35Brah** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 8:54 pm

dbrandon wrote:
KD35Brah wrote:
bondom34 wrote:If PHX gets LMA, they've got a great team, legitimate contender to me.

Nah

Any team with LMA as their main star is never a legitimate contender.

Never shoows up in the postseason. Massive chucker.

He lit the Rockets on fire last year and was hurt this year. IDK where you're getting that from.

He was hot the first 2 games while being guarded by Terrence Jones in single coverage. After Mchale put Dwight and Asik on him he was horrible.

The rest of the postseason after the 1st 2 games he shot 46% TS(41% FG as a PF) through 9 games.

This postseason was even worse. 22ppg on 43% TS.

Post #672 » by **Andre Roberstan** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 9:01 pm

After Mchale put Dwight and Asik on him he was horrible.

So after McHale put two excellent defensive big men on him he struggled from the floor?

LMA's never going to be an efficient scoring option. He does his best work in the most inefficient area of the floor. But volume scorers who can shoot well from midrange and 3 still have a place, and he has a high enough BBIQ to make an impact in the other areas of the game.

Post #673 » by **bondom34** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 9:29 pm

Yeah I don't get him as a poor postseason guy at all, he led that team against Houston and would be perfect for Phoenix. Bledsoe, him, and Chandler are a solid three, with Knight as well.

KD35Brah · Post #674 » by **KD35Brah** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 9:32 pm

dbrandon wrote:
After Mchale put Dwight and Asik on him he was horrible.

So after McHale put two excellent defensive big men on him he struggled from the floor?

LMA's never going to be an efficient scoring option. He does his best work in the most inefficient area of the floor. But volume scorers who can shoot well from midrange and 3 still have a place, and he has a high enough BBIQ to make an impact in the other areas of the game.

So you agree with him being inefficient? He is not a great defender or passer, what is he impacting in other areas of the game when he is scoring 22ppg on 43% TS?

Him chucking is not a way to win games in the playoffs.

KD35Brah · Post #675 » by **KD35Brah** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 9:42 pm

bondom34 wrote:Yeah I don't get him as a poor postseason guy at all, he led that team against Houston and would be perfect for Phoenix. Bledsoe, him, and Chandler are a solid three, with Knight

Lillard was the best player in that Houston series.

25ppg(67% TS, 1335 Ortg), 6rpg, and 7apg.

Post #676 » by **Andre Roberstan** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 9:43 pm

KD35Brah wrote:
dbrandon wrote:
After Mchale put Dwight and Asik on him he was horrible.

So after McHale put two excellent defensive big men on him he struggled from the floor?

LMA's never going to be an efficient scoring option. He does his best work in the most inefficient area of the floor. But volume scorers who can shoot well from midrange and 3 still have a place, and he has a high enough BBIQ to make an impact in the other areas of the game.

So you agree with him being inefficient? He is not a great defender or passer, what is he impacting in other areas of the game when he is scoring 22ppg on 43% TS?

Him chucking is not a way to win games in the playoffs.

And yet they did...it's an awfully simplistic argument. It's like saying Collison doesn't score over 6PPG and doesn't pull down a lot of rebounds, ergo he's not a good player.

But we're off-topic :-D

Post #677 » by **bondom34** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 9:46 pm

KD35Brah wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Yeah I don't get him as a poor postseason guy at all, he led that team against Houston and would be perfect for Phoenix. Bledsoe, him, and Chandler are a solid three, with Knight

Lillard was the best player in that Houston series.

25ppg(67% TS, 1335 Ortg), 6rpg, and 7apg.

LMA was who they ran everything through though, 31 percent usage and went off in the 2 games they won most convincingly. He's pretty easily the best player on PDX this past year too. Phoenix just needs to get over the hump, and don't undersell Chandler, I think he's a fantastic get either way honestly he was really underrated in Dallas.

KD35Brah · Post #678 » by **KD35Brah** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 10:37 pm

dbrandon wrote:
KD35Brah wrote:
dbrandon wrote:
So after McHale put two excellent defensive big men on him he struggled from the floor?

LMA's never going to be an efficient scoring option. He does his best work in the most inefficient area of the floor. But volume scorers who can shoot well from midrange and 3 still have a place, and he has a high enough BBIQ to make an impact in the other areas of the game.

So you agree with him being inefficient? He is not a great defender or passer, what is he impacting in other areas of the game when he is scoring 22ppg on 43% TS?

Him chucking is not a way to win games in the playoffs.

And yet they did...it's an awfully simplistic argument. It's like saying Collison doesn't score over 6PPG and doesn't pull down a lot of rebounds, ergo he's not a good player.

But we're off-topic

Did you miss the Spurs series? Did you miss where he shot like **** once again the very next season in the playoffs?

Why do you act like LA is playmaking out of the post and playing elite defense along with his crap shooting. That isn't the case.

KD35Brah · Post #679 » by **KD35Brah** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 10:39 pm

bondom34 wrote:
KD35Brah wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Yeah I don't get him as a poor postseason guy at all, he led that team against Houston and would be perfect for Phoenix. Bledsoe, him, and Chandler are a solid three, with Knight

Lillard was the best player in that Houston series.

25ppg(67% TS, 1335 Ortg), 6rpg, and 7apg.

LMA was who they ran everything through though, 31 percent usage and went off in the 2 games they won most convincingly. He's pretty easily the best player on PDX this past year too. Phoenix just needs to get over the hump, and don't undersell Chandler, I think he's a fantastic get either way honestly he was really underrated in Dallas.

That's what happens when you take 50 more shots than the next guy.

Lillard only took 10 more shots than Batum and shared playmaking duties with him as well.

Post #680 » by **Andre Roberstan** » Thu Jul 2, 2015 10:42 pm

eFG is not the be-all and end-all of player evaluation. Case in point: Iverson.