2023-2024 mid season draft - Discussion

[Fifii]

Count me in.

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[MadNESS]

We gotta get this rollin again lol

[Fifii]

I considered Jaden , but in my opinion NAW is better defender than him. He isn’t the same player like last season

[MadNESS]

Dammit flaco

KCP was my pick

[MadNESS]

I'm in

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[Larry_Russell]

most FGA I have ever had left for the bench at this point.

Might have to change up plans a bit cause I assume that I will get frowned on for not have 2 alpha scorers. Might have to move Herb to the bench for some more scoring.

(although I feel like an impact bench and Scottie, White and of couorse SGA is enough of a scoring punch)

[Fadeaway_J]

Happy to get J-Dub, I think he's the perfect third option to Luka and AD.

[Snakebites]

most FGA I have ever had left for the bench at this point.

Might have to change up plans a bit cause I assume that I will get frowned on for not have 2 alpha scorers. Might have to move Herb to the bench for some more scoring.

(although I feel like an impact bench and Scottie, White and of couorse SGA is enough of a scoring punch)

I think the pool was too shallow to not grab a second star in the early second.

[Larry_Russell]

most FGA I have ever had left for the bench at this point.

Might have to change up plans a bit cause I assume that I will get frowned on for not have 2 alpha scorers. Might have to move Herb to the bench for some more scoring.

(although I feel like an impact bench and Scottie, White and of couorse SGA is enough of a scoring punch)

I think the pool was too shallow to not grab a second star in the early second.

I think Barnes is a very capable secondary "stars"

My top 2 guys are giving me
51 ppg
13.6 rpg
12.5 apg
3.4 spg
2.5 bpg

And they should fit very well together.

Those numbers stand up against any top duo drafted.

[Snakebites]

most FGA I have ever had left for the bench at this point.

Might have to change up plans a bit cause I assume that I will get frowned on for not have 2 alpha scorers. Might have to move Herb to the bench for some more scoring.

(although I feel like an impact bench and Scottie, White and of couorse SGA is enough of a scoring punch)

I think the pool was too shallow to not grab a second star in the early second.

I think Barnes is a very capable secondary "stars"

My top 2 guys are giving me
51 ppg
13.6 rpg
12.5 apg
3.4 spg
2.5 bpg

And they should fit very well together.

Those numbers stand up against any top duo drafted.

I get it. The top tier guys dried up right around your pick.

PG isn’t in his prime but I’d have probably taken him at your spot.

I do wonder what kind of use we can see for White’s current season in the future. He may have moved from the Danny Green/Doug Christie tier into the Eddie Jones tier this season.

[Larry_Russell]

I think the pool was too shallow to not grab a second star in the early second.

I think Barnes is a very capable secondary "stars"

My top 2 guys are giving me
51 ppg
13.6 rpg
12.5 apg
3.4 spg
2.5 bpg

And they should fit very well together.

Those numbers stand up against any top duo drafted.

I get it. The top tier guys dried up right around your pick.

PG isn’t in his prime but I’d have probably taken him at your spot.

I do wonder what kind of use we can see for White’s current season in the future. He may have moved from the Danny Green/Doug Christie tier into the Eddie Jones tier this season.

I think so, I think we will see a big uptick in Kristaps moving forward as well. Which bodes well for my Celtics right now. lol

[Fadeaway_J]

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[MadNESS]

most FGA I have ever had left for the bench at this point.

Might have to change up plans a bit cause I assume that I will get frowned on for not have 2 alpha scorers. Might have to move Herb to the bench for some more scoring.

(although I feel like an impact bench and Scottie, White and of couorse SGA is enough of a scoring punch)

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[Larry_Russell]

I can try

ya up

[Larry_Russell]

Laimbeer has now taken 2 guys I wanted on my team...KP and Suggs.

[flaco]

I think the pool was too shallow to not grab a second star in the early second.

I think Barnes is a very capable secondary "stars"

My top 2 guys are giving me
51 ppg
13.6 rpg
12.5 apg
3.4 spg
2.5 bpg

And they should fit very well together.

Those numbers stand up against any top duo drafted.

I get it. The top tier guys dried up right around your pick.

PG isn’t in his prime but I’d have probably taken him at your spot.

I do wonder what kind of use we can see for White’s current season in the future. He may have moved from the Danny Green/Doug Christie tier into the Eddie Jones tier this season.

While both Eddie Jones and White are 2-way players with no exploitable weaknesses, I'd argue EJ is considerably more valuable, especially at SG. What differentiates them is the time they spend on the ball. White isn't exactly an off-ball specialist. He's averaging 4.18 seconds per touch this season and 3.91 dribbles per touch. To put it in perspective, here are the respective numbers for some other combo guards.

Seconds per touch
D'Angelo Russell 4.07
CJ McCollum 4.02

Dribbles per touch
CJ McCollum 3.65
D'Angelo Russell 3.52

Unfortunately, we don't have access to these stats prior to 2013/14, but I bet EJ was spending considerably less time on the ball. If so, he's a more natural fit alongside ball dominant stars in our stacked teams. That said, White is a terrific fit alongside ball-dominant wings (like Boston's big 2 in real life). His numbers are relatively high for a combo guard, but they are low for a primary ball handler. For instance, Trae Young and Jalen Brunson are averaging 5.85 seconds per touch this season.

Accolades-wise, EJ made the All-NBA 3rd team once, the All-Star team 3 times and the all-defensive second team 3 times. White made the all-defensive second team last season. Highly doubt he'll ever make the all-NBA 3rd team (=roughly top 15 player in the league). Talent-wise, I think EJ was a better scorer simply because he was bigger and a bit more athletic. White is a superior facilitator.

My comp for White would be Jrue Holiday. More often than not, EJ is selected considerably higher than Jrue in our games.

[Snakebites]

I think Barnes is a very capable secondary "stars"

My top 2 guys are giving me
51 ppg
13.6 rpg
12.5 apg
3.4 spg
2.5 bpg

And they should fit very well together.

Those numbers stand up against any top duo drafted.

I get it. The top tier guys dried up right around your pick.

PG isn’t in his prime but I’d have probably taken him at your spot.

I do wonder what kind of use we can see for White’s current season in the future. He may have moved from the Danny Green/Doug Christie tier into the Eddie Jones tier this season.

While both Eddie Jones and White are 2-way players with no exploitable weaknesses, I'd argue EJ is considerably more valuable, especially at SG. What differentiates them is the time they spend on the ball. White isn't exactly an off-ball specialist. He's averaging 4.18 seconds per touch this season and 3.91 dribbles per touch. To put it in perspective, here are the respective numbers for some other combo guards.

Seconds per touch
D'Angelo Russell 4.07
CJ McCollum 4.02

Dribbles per touch
CJ McCollum 3.65
D'Angelo Russell 3.52

Unfortunately, we don't have access to these stats prior to 2013/14, but I bet EJ was spending considerably less time on the ball. If so, he's a more natural fit alongside ball dominant stars in our stacked teams. That said, White is a terrific fit alongside ball-dominant wings (like Boston's big 2 in real life). His numbers are relatively high for a combo guard, but they are low for a primary ball handler. For instance, Trae Young and Jalen Brunson are averaging 5.85 seconds per touch this season.

Accolades-wise, EJ made the All-NBA 3rd team once, the All-Star team 3 times and the all-defensive second team 3 times. White made the all-defensive second team last season. Highly doubt he'll ever make the all-NBA 3rd team (=roughly top 15 player in the league). Talent-wise, I think EJ was a better scorer simply because he was bigger and a bit more athletic. White is a superior facilitator.

My comp for White would be Jrue Holiday. More often than not, EJ is selected considerably higher than Jrue in our games.

Important context for someone like me who doesn’t watch so many Celtics games.

I generally used White as a 6th man when I draft him so I’m not even sure I’d use this season. He can start in the right situations.

Jrue is another guy who’s stock could rise- he’s still the same player but this year will come at a cheaper price tag.

Broadly though I’d argue that strength of position is the biggest reason Jrue is taken later. Point guard is deep and has plenty of affordable guys who shoot and defend.

[Larry_Russell]

I get it. The top tier guys dried up right around your pick.

PG isn’t in his prime but I’d have probably taken him at your spot.

I do wonder what kind of use we can see for White’s current season in the future. He may have moved from the Danny Green/Doug Christie tier into the Eddie Jones tier this season.

While both Eddie Jones and White are 2-way players with no exploitable weaknesses, I'd argue EJ is considerably more valuable, especially at SG. What differentiates them is the time they spend on the ball. White isn't exactly an off-ball specialist. He's averaging 4.18 seconds per touch this season and 3.91 dribbles per touch. To put it in perspective, here are the respective numbers for some other combo guards.

Seconds per touch
D'Angelo Russell 4.07
CJ McCollum 4.02

Dribbles per touch
CJ McCollum 3.65
D'Angelo Russell 3.52

Unfortunately, we don't have access to these stats prior to 2013/14, but I bet EJ was spending considerably less time on the ball. If so, he's a more natural fit alongside ball dominant stars in our stacked teams. That said, White is a terrific fit alongside ball-dominant wings (like Boston's big 2 in real life). His numbers are relatively high for a combo guard, but they are low for a primary ball handler. For instance, Trae Young and Jalen Brunson are averaging 5.85 seconds per touch this season.

Accolades-wise, EJ made the All-NBA 3rd team once, the All-Star team 3 times and the all-defensive second team 3 times. White made the all-defensive second team last season. Highly doubt he'll ever make the all-NBA 3rd team (=roughly top 15 player in the league). Talent-wise, I think EJ was a better scorer simply because he was bigger and a bit more athletic. White is a superior facilitator.

My comp for White would be Jrue Holiday. More often than not, EJ is selected considerably higher than Jrue in our games.

Important context for someone like me who doesn’t watch so many Celtics games.

I generally used White as a 6th man when I draft him so I’m not even sure I’d use this season. He can start in the right situations.

Jrue is another guy who’s stock could rise- he’s still the same player but this year will come at a cheaper price tag.

Im the clutch for us this year...d-white has zero turnover and a 54/50/100 shooting aplits with a +34.

Whites a problem.

[flaco]

While both Eddie Jones and White are 2-way players with no exploitable weaknesses, I'd argue EJ is considerably more valuable, especially at SG. What differentiates them is the time they spend on the ball. White isn't exactly an off-ball specialist. He's averaging 4.18 seconds per touch this season and 3.91 dribbles per touch. To put it in perspective, here are the respective numbers for some other combo guards.

Seconds per touch
D'Angelo Russell 4.07
CJ McCollum 4.02

Dribbles per touch
CJ McCollum 3.65
D'Angelo Russell 3.52

Unfortunately, we don't have access to these stats prior to 2013/14, but I bet EJ was spending considerably less time on the ball. If so, he's a more natural fit alongside ball dominant stars in our stacked teams. That said, White is a terrific fit alongside ball-dominant wings (like Boston's big 2 in real life). His numbers are relatively high for a combo guard, but they are low for a primary ball handler. For instance, Trae Young and Jalen Brunson are averaging 5.85 seconds per touch this season.

Accolades-wise, EJ made the All-NBA 3rd team once, the All-Star team 3 times and the all-defensive second team 3 times. White made the all-defensive second team last season. Highly doubt he'll ever make the all-NBA 3rd team (=roughly top 15 player in the league). Talent-wise, I think EJ was a better scorer simply because he was bigger and a bit more athletic. White is a superior facilitator.

My comp for White would be Jrue Holiday. More often than not, EJ is selected considerably higher than Jrue in our games.

Important context for someone like me who doesn’t watch so many Celtics games.

I generally used White as a 6th man when I draft him so I’m not even sure I’d use this season. He can start in the right situations.

Jrue is another guy who’s stock could rise- he’s still the same player but this year will come at a cheaper price tag.

Im the clutch for us this year...d-white has zero turnover and a 54/50/100 shooting aplits with a +34.

Whites a problem.

Absolutely love his game! Agreed he's always a reliable option in the clutch. His buzzer beater against the Heat was our highlight from last season. Too bad we then lost game 7 at the Garden.

Watch on YouTube

He's not the primary creator in the clutch though. The primary creator is the one who usually makes the turnovers. Tatum, Brown and Zinger are ahead of him in the pecking order.

[MadNESS]

I could taken any number of point guards with KD/Wemby, but I felt like Murray was the best choice. The other ones I considered either to regressed with superstars, haven’t taken the jump yet, or just don’t fit as well. My shooting with now be crazy good as well. Happy with how it’s shaping up, which means I’ll get trounced in the first round.