East Cross Era Duos - Discussion

[parsnips33]

I thought strongly about Raptors Bosh at center with either Lowry or trying to snag Nets Deron Williams who I always feel is a bit underrated.

Didn't feel like enough juice to be interesting tbh and Giannis/Chuck just seems like fun even though I know I'm gonna get dinged for all the usual spacing concerns

[flaco]

I guess I'll add him on my list for future games. The starting-calibre stretch Center pool is surprisingly thin. Wemby, Chet and low-cost Zinger should spice things up once the 2024 season becomes available.

In most games there are enough centers.

This one was tougher without Gasol and with pairs making it harder to use certain guys.

Gasol was available in his Raptors season in 20'. Though he suffered from relative lack of early Raptors guys, like Lowry. The only pre 2010 Raptor was Peterson. I heavily considered Lowry and Doug Christie with my last pick - Raptors Christie is overlooked though he is pretty useful and his mixed Knicks Raptors season is also cheap.

Was 1996 Christie eligible to be paired with a Raptors player? He played a total of 55 games, but only 32 of them were for the Raps. I assumed the minimum was 41 games.

[Snakebites]

In most games there are enough centers.

This one was tougher without Gasol and with pairs making it harder to use certain guys.

Gasol was available in his Raptors season in 20'. Though he suffered from relative lack of early Raptors guys, like Lowry. The only pre 2010 Raptor was Peterson. I heavily considered Lowry and Doug Christie with my last pick - Raptors Christie is overlooked though he is pretty useful and his mixed Knicks Raptors season is also cheap.

Was 1996 Christie eligible to be paired with a Raptors player? He played a total of 55 games, but only 32 of them were for the Raps. I assumed the minimum was 41 games.

The rule has always been at least 41 games total, with the majority being for the chosen team.

I didn’t catch that season being available either.

[flaco]

Gasol was available in his Raptors season in 20'. Though he suffered from relative lack of early Raptors guys, like Lowry. The only pre 2010 Raptor was Peterson. I heavily considered Lowry and Doug Christie with my last pick - Raptors Christie is overlooked though he is pretty useful and his mixed Knicks Raptors season is also cheap.

Was 1996 Christie eligible to be paired with a Raptors player? He played a total of 55 games, but only 32 of them were for the Raps. I assumed the minimum was 41 games.

The rule has always been at least 41 games total, with the majority being for the chosen team.

I didn’t catch that season being available either.

I missed that season too cause I didn't know the rule. Thanks for the clarification!

[flaco]

I thought strongly about Raptors Bosh at center with either Lowry or trying to snag Nets Deron Williams who I always feel is a bit underrated.

Didn't feel like enough juice to be interesting tbh and Giannis/Chuck just seems like fun even though I know I'm gonna get dinged for all the usual spacing concerns

Considered him too since he's a proven fit with LeBron. Lowry-EJ-LeBron-Bosh would have been a well-fitting core. Problem with Bosh has always been his average defense. You can ''hide'' him at the 4, but then you'll most likely end up with 2 drop bigs which is an issue against perimeter-oriented offenses. Another thing is, Raps Bosh is less apealing compared to the Miami version. He didn't have 3pt range yet, plus he's relatively more expensive. Still, I was kinda surprised he was left on the board.

[Snakebites]

I thought strongly about Raptors Bosh at center with either Lowry or trying to snag Nets Deron Williams who I always feel is a bit underrated.

Didn't feel like enough juice to be interesting tbh and Giannis/Chuck just seems like fun even though I know I'm gonna get dinged for all the usual spacing concerns

Considered him too since he's a proven fit with LeBron. Lowry-EJ-LeBron-Bosh would have been a well-fitting core. Problem with Bosh has always been his average defense. You can ''hide'' him at the 4, but then you'll most likely end up with 2 drop bigs which is an issue against perimeter-oriented offenses. Another thing is, Raps Bosh is less apealing compared to the Miami version. He didn't have 3pt range yet, plus he's relatively more expensive. Still, I didn't expect him to end up undrafted.

I tried Bosh with Lowry/EJ/Lebron and shooting everywhere.

Nobody buys Bosh as a center, even when he’s surrounded by Lebron/EJ/Lowry as defenders. And that was Miami Bosh, who I thought was a pretty good defender.

I’d like to do this premise with the West. Better point guard and bigman pool. Worse wing pool.

[Fadeaway_J]

I thought strongly about Raptors Bosh at center with either Lowry or trying to snag Nets Deron Williams who I always feel is a bit underrated.

Didn't feel like enough juice to be interesting tbh and Giannis/Chuck just seems like fun even though I know I'm gonna get dinged for all the usual spacing concerns

Considered him too since he's a proven fit with LeBron. Lowry-EJ-LeBron-Bosh would have been a well-fitting core. Problem with Bosh has always been his average defense. You can ''hide'' him at the 4, but then you'll most likely end up with 2 drop bigs which is an issue against perimeter-oriented offenses. Another thing is, Raps Bosh is less apealing compared to the Miami version. He didn't have 3pt range yet, plus he's relatively more expensive. Still, I didn't expect him to end up undrafted.

He was a good defender in Miami within his specific strengths, but I wasn't able to vouch for his Toronto seasons (I don't recall him being anything special). Maybe I should have paired him with Wade to start - lots of elite bigs ended up falling.

[Fadeaway_J]

I thought strongly about Raptors Bosh at center with either Lowry or trying to snag Nets Deron Williams who I always feel is a bit underrated.

Didn't feel like enough juice to be interesting tbh and Giannis/Chuck just seems like fun even though I know I'm gonna get dinged for all the usual spacing concerns

Considered him too since he's a proven fit with LeBron. Lowry-EJ-LeBron-Bosh would have been a well-fitting core. Problem with Bosh has always been his average defense. You can ''hide'' him at the 4, but then you'll most likely end up with 2 drop bigs which is an issue against perimeter-oriented offenses. Another thing is, Raps Bosh is less apealing compared to the Miami version. He didn't have 3pt range yet, plus he's relatively more expensive. Still, I didn't expect him to end up undrafted.

I tried Bosh with Lowry/EJ/Lebron and shooting everywhere.

Nobody buys Bosh as a center.

I’d like to do this premise with the West. Better point guard and bigman pool. Worse wing pool.

Yeah I enjoyed it - harder to build cookie-cutter teams in a pairs draft.

[flaco]

I thought strongly about Raptors Bosh at center with either Lowry or trying to snag Nets Deron Williams who I always feel is a bit underrated.

Didn't feel like enough juice to be interesting tbh and Giannis/Chuck just seems like fun even though I know I'm gonna get dinged for all the usual spacing concerns

Considered him too since he's a proven fit with LeBron. Lowry-EJ-LeBron-Bosh would have been a well-fitting core. Problem with Bosh has always been his average defense. You can ''hide'' him at the 4, but then you'll most likely end up with 2 drop bigs which is an issue against perimeter-oriented offenses. Another thing is, Raps Bosh is less apealing compared to the Miami version. He didn't have 3pt range yet, plus he's relatively more expensive. Still, I didn't expect him to end up undrafted.

I tried Bosh with Lowry/EJ/Lebron and shooting everywhere.

Nobody buys Bosh as a center.

I think I once had some success with Bosh at Center, but I had KG at PF, Pippen at SF and Michael Cooper at SG. That was a nasty defensive trio. I believe that team reached the Finals or something like that.

I bet Bosh would have been stricty a Center in today's game. I think it can work in our games too, but he needs cover from a dominant defensive PF. For instance, KG, Giannis, Rodman, etc.

[durantbird]

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[MadNESS]

We gonna do the same game but West now?

[Laimbeer]

Considered him too since he's a proven fit with LeBron. Lowry-EJ-LeBron-Bosh would have been a well-fitting core. Problem with Bosh has always been his average defense. You can ''hide'' him at the 4, but then you'll most likely end up with 2 drop bigs which is an issue against perimeter-oriented offenses. Another thing is, Raps Bosh is less apealing compared to the Miami version. He didn't have 3pt range yet, plus he's relatively more expensive. Still, I didn't expect him to end up undrafted.

I tried Bosh with Lowry/EJ/Lebron and shooting everywhere.

Nobody buys Bosh as a center.

I think I once had some success with Bosh at Center, but I had KG at PF, Pippen at SF and Michael Cooper at SG. That was a nasty defensive trio. I believe that team reached the Finals or something like that.

I bet Bosh would have been stricty a Center in today's game. I think it can work in our games too, but he needs cover from a dominant defensive PF. For instance, KG, Giannis, Rodman, etc.

But if you run into Shaq? Also think any great low post center is trouble.

[flaco]

I tried Bosh with Lowry/EJ/Lebron and shooting everywhere.

Nobody buys Bosh as a center.

I think I once had some success with Bosh at Center, but I had KG at PF, Pippen at SF and Michael Cooper at SG. That was a nasty defensive trio. I believe that team reached the Finals or something like that.

I bet Bosh would have been stricty a Center in today's game. I think it can work in our games too, but he needs cover from a dominant defensive PF. For instance, KG, Giannis, Rodman, etc.

But if you run into Shaq? Also think any great low post center is trouble.

I don't think you counter a guy like Shaq (or Wilt) with size. No matter whom you select, he'll be overpowered by Shaq. The modern game is all about pace and space. I think the best approach is to run Shaq off the court by a) attacking before the D is set around him, b) spreading the floor and forcing him to defend the perimeter and c) spamming the PnR and forcing him to defend in space. Shaq would score his own, but Bosh would expose him on defense by forcing him to close out on 3s. That said, you obviously need an elite help defender to double on Shaq.

[Snakebites]

I think I once had some success with Bosh at Center, but I had KG at PF, Pippen at SF and Michael Cooper at SG. That was a nasty defensive trio. I believe that team reached the Finals or something like that.

I bet Bosh would have been stricty a Center in today's game. I think it can work in our games too, but he needs cover from a dominant defensive PF. For instance, KG, Giannis, Rodman, etc.

But if you run into Shaq? Also think any great low post center is trouble.

I don't think you counter a guy like Shaq (or Wilt) with size. No matter whom you select, he'll be overpowered by Shaq. The modern game is all about pace and space. I think the best approach is to run Shaq off the court by a) attacking before the D is set around him, b) spreading the floor and forcing him to defend the perimeter and c) spamming the PnR and forcing him to defend in space. Shaq would score his own, but Bosh would expose him on defense by forcing him to close out on 3s. That said, you obviously need an elite help defender to double on Shaq. For instance, KG or Giannis.

Even the 2004 Pistons only “held” Shaq to 27 PPG on 60%TS in the finals. They won by stopping everyone else.

He also swept Duncan/DRob one year.

Even in an era where all the best teams were constructed with big bodied high end defenders (those 2 teams each had 2) there was no reliable counter to Shaq.

[Laimbeer]

But if you run into Shaq? Also think any great low post center is trouble.

I don't think you counter a guy like Shaq (or Wilt) with size. No matter whom you select, he'll be overpowered by Shaq. The modern game is all about pace and space. I think the best approach is to run Shaq off the court by a) attacking before the D is set around him, b) spreading the floor and forcing him to defend the perimeter and c) spamming the PnR and forcing him to defend in space. Shaq would score his own, but Bosh would expose him on defense by forcing him to close out on 3s. That said, you obviously need an elite help defender to double on Shaq. For instance, KG or Giannis.

Even the 2004 Pistons only “held” Shaq to 27 PPG on 60%TS in the finals. They won by stopping everyone else.

He also swept Duncan/DRob one year.

Even in an era where all the best teams were constructed with big bodied high end defenders (those 2 teams each had 2) there was no reliable counter to Shaq.

But there are degrees to which a player dominates and how much gravity he creates. If you have a credible counter he'll go off a bit less and won't create quite the opportunities for his teammates. And I don't think Bosh is one to stand in and take the punishment the same as a guy like Ben Wallace or Draymond Green would.

[durantbird]

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