East Cross Era Duos - Discussion

[flaco]

I considered MJ and Jimmy but not enough shooting and ended up going 2, so I couldn’t at 3.

But Zo and Wade were the other pair I considered at 3 VS Bird and Pierce.

Only 7 three pointers attempted between the 2 of them...but jimmy was 37% and Jordan was 43%

I think too much emphasis is put on 3 pointers taken and such for the older players.

Jordan today would 100% take 6 or 7 per game at least and make a greta percentage.

Ots a different game now and guys would have adapted

It's not so much about absolute 3PA numbers as about 3PAr (percentage of FGA from 3pt range). Jimmy's best 3 seasons for the Bulls fluctuated around 20% in 3PAr (basically 1 in 5 shots were 3s). In comparison, a shooting specialist like Sam Houser is recording a 3PAr of 86.3% this season! That makes a massive difference in terms of spacing regardless of whether the shots go in.

It's totally reasonable to assume Jordan would have been attempting 6 threes per game in today's game. If he were averaging 22 FGA per game, that equals to a 3PAr of 27%. Nothing to sneeze at, but far from impressive compared to the majority of perimeter-oriented scorers of the modern era. Likewise, Jimmy's 3PAr this season is 17.4%. They are obviously great players, but they are ball-dominant shot creators rather than 3pt snipers.

Glad to see Drazen finally getting some love! I think he's massively underrated. Personally, I have him in the same tier with Ray, Reggie, Klay, Manu and EJ who are all regulars in our games.

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[Snakebites]

Tentatively happy with what I ended up with.

Embiid/KD should be an S-Tier 1/2 punch in this. Love Drazen as a third option and Bobby Jones is just a really useful guy to have in general.

[parsnips33]

Noticing some funny things about how the league has changed through this exercise

The 10-11 Pistons rostered 13 total players throughout the season, the 23-24 Pistons have rostered 30

[Snakebites]

Noticing some funny things about how the league has changed through this exercise

The 10-11 Pistons rostered 13 total players throughout the season, the 23-24 Pistons have rostered 30

You can tell a lot about a team by how many players are on their roster over the course of the year. The current Pistons have more than anyone in history.

What do you think that says about them?

[parsnips33]

Noticing some funny things about how the league has changed through this exercise

The 10-11 Pistons rostered 13 total players throughout the season, the 23-24 Pistons have rostered 30

You can tell a lot about a team by how many players are on their roster over the course of the year. The current Pistons have more than anyone in history.

What do you think that says about them?

Even the 11-12 Bobcats only had 16 guys through the season!

I'm guessing the addition of things like 2-way contracts and increase in player movement are factors in the general increase?

[Snakebites]

Noticing some funny things about how the league has changed through this exercise

The 10-11 Pistons rostered 13 total players throughout the season, the 23-24 Pistons have rostered 30

You can tell a lot about a team by how many players are on their roster over the course of the year. The current Pistons have more than anyone in history.

What do you think that says about them?

Even the 11-12 Bobcats only had 16 guys through the season!

I'm guessing the addition of things like 2-way contracts and increase in player movement are factors in the general increase?

That’s 100 percent true.

But it’s not a good sign if you’re constantly switching players out. Note that (in general) the good teams don’t have nearly so many.

[Colbinii]

Tentatively happy with what I ended up with.

Embiid/KD should be an S-Tier 1/2 punch in this. Love Drazen as a third option and Bobby Jones is just a really useful guy to have in general.

S-Tier regular season punch!

[Snakebites]

Tentatively happy with what I ended up with.

Embiid/KD should be an S-Tier 1/2 punch in this. Love Drazen as a third option and Bobby Jones is just a really useful guy to have in general.

S-Tier regular season punch!

KD has been pretty consistently strong in the playoffs in this stage of his career.

Everyone knows Embiid’s reputation. He’s also never had a guy with KD’s gravity next to him.

[Fadeaway_J]

Fairly happy to get four stars (for just 58.3 FGAs) with the first two pairs. I normally prefer a more "matchup-proof" defensive group, but in a pairs draft you can't be as picky as you'd like. Wade is tricky to build around, so I couldn't pass up a PG/PF combo that fits perfectly alongside him.

[Snakebites]

Went with a couple of wings though they may not have been BPAs. About all of the best players who could fall to the third are generally other positions. Fingers crossed.

I'd personally have been a little nervous to leave that back to back with only 2 starters.

You should be able to grab a solid pick in the third, but depending on what you do you might be in a position where you need to draft two starters with the last pick in the draft.

Could work out but its risky.

I definitely wanted Pippen/Caruso by the way.

[Laimbeer]

Went with a couple of wings though they may not have been BPAs. About all of the best players who could fall to the third are generally other positions. Fingers crossed.

I'd personally have been a little nervous to leave that back to back with only 2 starters.

You should be able to grab a solid pick in the third, but depending on what you do you might be in a position where you need to draft two starters with the last pick in the draft.

Could work out but its risky.

I definitely wanted Pippen/Caruso by the way.

Caruso may well be my fifth starter. 3D guy and secondary ball handler for TMac and Pippen. Depends what third stars are available. If I go point it will be more challenging for sure.

[Snakebites]

Went with a couple of wings though they may not have been BPAs. About all of the best players who could fall to the third are generally other positions. Fingers crossed.

I'd personally have been a little nervous to leave that back to back with only 2 starters.

You should be able to grab a solid pick in the third, but depending on what you do you might be in a position where you need to draft two starters with the last pick in the draft.

Could work out but its risky.

I definitely wanted Pippen/Caruso by the way.

Caruso may well be my fifth starter. 3D guy and secondary ball handler for TMac and Pippen. Depends what third stars are available. If I go point it will be more challenging for sure.

Ah okay. That'd make sense.

[Fadeaway_J]

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[Dr Positivity]

When washed Big Ben is one of the most draftable 2010s/2020s Pistons things probably haven't gone so well

[MadNESS]

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[Larry_Russell]

I considered MJ and Jimmy but not enough shooting and ended up going 2, so I couldn’t at 3.

But Zo and Wade were the other pair I considered at 3 VS Bird and Pierce.

Only 7 three pointers attempted between the 2 of them...but jimmy was 37% and Jordan was 43%

I think too much emphasis is put on 3 pointers taken and such for the older players.

Jordan today would 100% take 6 or 7 per game at least and make a greta percentage.

Ots a different game now and guys would have adapted

It's not so much about absolute 3PA numbers as about 3PAr (percentage of FGA from 3pt range). Jimmy's best 3 seasons for the Bulls fluctuated around 20% in 3PAr (basically 1 in 5 shots were 3s). In comparison, a shooting specialist like Sam Houser is recording a 3PAr of 86.3% this season! That makes a massive difference in terms of spacing regardless of whether the shots go in.

It's totally reasonable to assume Jordan would have been attempting 6 threes per game in today's game. If he were averaging 22 FGA per game, that equals to a 3PAr of 27%. Nothing to sneeze at, but far from impressive compared to the majority of perimeter-oriented scorers of the modern era. Likewise, Jimmy's 3PAr this season is 17.4%. They are obviously great players, but they are ball-dominant shot creators rather than 3pt snipers.

Glad to see Drazen finally getting some love! I think he's massively underrated. Personally, I have him in the same tier with Ray, Reggie, Klay, Manu and EJ who are all regulars in our games.

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[Fadeaway_J]

Damn, that's a nice pair for Larry at that spot.

[Larry_Russell]

Damn, that's a nice pair for Larry at that spot.

Yeah, got really lucky there.

Team is looking good for me so far.

[durantbird]

I'm in if the clock doesn't start before late tomorrow.

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