How is it that James Harden's TS% was .660% and Durant's was .610%, yet Durant shot better from the field and the free-throw line. Harden had an extremely small edge in 3 point percentage(.390% to .387%)
What made up that major gap ?
Quick question about TS % .
Moderator: Doctor MJ
Quick question about TS % .
-
- Lead Assistant
- Posts: 5,413
- And1: 3,277
- Joined: Aug 07, 2010
Re: Quick question about TS % .
-
- Banned User
- Posts: 8,205
- And1: 713
- Joined: May 28, 2007
- Contact:
Re: Quick question about TS % .
TS% tells you how efficient a players was at converting his opportunities. The difference in TS% is determined by the shot distribution also. If someone takes more 3's while converting the shots with the same efficiency, he will end up with having more points. 58% of Harden's true shooting attempts were either 3pt shots or free throws, while Durant had "only" 37% of his true shooting attempts from the line or from the perimeter. That is the difference here.
If you have the TS%, FG%, 3P% and FT%, you can basically conclude how the player plays. Harden either takes the 3 or goes to the rim, while Durant is taking a higher amount of midrange jumpers in comparison to Harden. I like using a similar example, well, even more extreme, with JR Smith and Jason Kapono. Kapono had in 2008 49/48/86 and JR Smith had 46/40/72. Well, Kapono had 56 TS% and Smith had 60 TS%. The difference in TS% came from the difference in shot distribution as well. While Smith either attacked the basket or took the 3 pointer, Kapono actually took more long 2pt jumpers. Kapono couldn't turn his shooting efficiency advantages into a higher scoring efficiency, because he took less efficient shots more often than JR Smith did. Well, in the end Smith provided more points per scoring opportunity than Kapono, and that's what TS% is telling you.
If you have the TS%, FG%, 3P% and FT%, you can basically conclude how the player plays. Harden either takes the 3 or goes to the rim, while Durant is taking a higher amount of midrange jumpers in comparison to Harden. I like using a similar example, well, even more extreme, with JR Smith and Jason Kapono. Kapono had in 2008 49/48/86 and JR Smith had 46/40/72. Well, Kapono had 56 TS% and Smith had 60 TS%. The difference in TS% came from the difference in shot distribution as well. While Smith either attacked the basket or took the 3 pointer, Kapono actually took more long 2pt jumpers. Kapono couldn't turn his shooting efficiency advantages into a higher scoring efficiency, because he took less efficient shots more often than JR Smith did. Well, in the end Smith provided more points per scoring opportunity than Kapono, and that's what TS% is telling you.
Re: Quick question about TS % .
-
- Lead Assistant
- Posts: 5,413
- And1: 3,277
- Joined: Aug 07, 2010
Re: Quick question about TS % .
Thanks man. I dont know that TS% incorporated the type of shots that they were taking as well.
Re: Quick question about TS % .
-
- Senior Mod
- Posts: 50,504
- And1: 19,294
- Joined: Mar 10, 2005
- Location: Cali
Re: Quick question about TS % .
Amare_1_Knicks wrote:Thanks man. I dont know that TS% incorporated the type of shots that they were taking as well.
Ah, yeah that's one of the awful things about stats with non-obvious names. People think they are more complicated than they actually are. Here's what went in to making TS%:
"Hey FG% is great, but it doesn't factor in 3's or the free throws a guy creates by forcing fouls when he's got a good shot."
"Well why don't we just factor in everything. Every point he scores, and every time he actually physically takes a shot from the field instead of pretending he didn't shoot when he gets fouled on a miss (which is just weird)."
"Okay, but scorekeepers stupidly don't actually record actual physical shots, so how do we get that data?"
"Well, we can estimate the physical shots from the free throws. A fouled player will typically get 2 FTs (sometimes one, sometimes three), when we run out the averages we find the relationship is that 0.44 FTAs make for one additional shot attempt."
So the formula:
Field Goal % = (Points scored on FGA) / FGA / 2
True Shooting % = (All points scored) / (FGA + 0.44*FTA) / 2
Getting ready for the RealGM 100 on the PC Board
Come join the WNBA Board if you're a fan!
Come join the WNBA Board if you're a fan!
Re: Quick question about TS % .
-
- General Manager
- Posts: 8,424
- And1: 613
- Joined: Mar 13, 2005
Re: Quick question about TS % .
I must have missed something, why is there a divide by 2 stuck at the end there?
Damn
Re: Quick question about TS % .
-
- Banned User
- Posts: 8,205
- And1: 713
- Joined: May 28, 2007
- Contact:
Re: Quick question about TS % .
bballcool34 wrote:I must have missed something, why is there a divide by 2 stuck at the end there?
Because it is normalised to 2pt per shot. If you look at normal Fg%, it goes fgm/fga,but for eFg% and TS% you replace fgm with points, and thus you have to devide that by 2.
Return to Statistical Analysis