Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 3

[mohammed10]

Doesn't Morey know he has enough young players? Doesn't he know he has enough draft picks, enough talent?

Taking that approach (also known as the Ernie 10-year rebuild) gets you a constant seat at the Secaucus lottery table...

[pancakes3]

I'm going to revisit the Kobe extension. Just how legendary a folk hero would he have made himself if he gave the Lakers unlimited cap room and took a Magic-Johnson esque 25 year, 25 mil deal? He'd at least tie Magic for greatest Laker of all time, right? What if he just signed for the same amount, ~50 mil for the next 50 years? What if he just signed for 2 years vet min period?

[Ruzious]

Remember when everyone was flaming Morey for the Asik deal when he pinched him from the Bulls? Morey is still stacked with talent/assets and he is going to get more. The exact opposite of the Wizards.

I didn't know what he was thinking when he got rid of Lowry and another good PG and then signed Linn with that unusual contract. But he's like Larry Bird or Wayne Gretsky - seeing 3 steps ahead of me.

[Nivek]

I'm going to revisit the Kobe extension. Just how legendary a folk hero would he have made himself if he gave the Lakers unlimited cap room and took a Magic-Johnson esque 25 year, 25 mil deal? He'd at least tie Magic for greatest Laker of all time, right? What if he just signed for the same amount, ~50 mil for the next 50 years? What if he just signed for 2 years vet min period?

He couldn't do the Magic 25/25 or a 50/50 deal -- the longest deal permissible under the new CBA is 5 years. At Kobe's age, I think the longest extension possible is two years. Might be 3.

That said, if he'd done the Jordan thing and signed for the minimum, he'd be a hero to Lakers fans. And rightly so.

[Rafael122]

Doesn't Morey know he has enough young players? Doesn't he know he has enough draft picks, enough talent?

Taking that approach (also known as the Ernie 10-year rebuild) gets you a constant seat at the Secaucus lottery table...

Eh, if it ends with the Rockets winning a championship in the next 4-5 years, cool. If not, he's Sam Presti 2.0, making moves, while great, and end up going nowhere. Morey thought he was going to find a sucker to take Asik off his hands and his gambled badly. It might work out, who knows.

And Presti, with the rumor of Lamb being on the move, if he does get traded, the only thing Presti has to show for the Harden trade is Steven Adams.

[mohammed10]

Eh, if it ends with the Rockets winning a championship in the next 4-5 years, cool. If not, he's Sam Presti 2.0, making moves, while great, and end up going nowhere. Morey thought he was going to find a sucker to take Asik off his hands and his gambled badly. It might work out, who knows.

And Presti, with the rumor of Lamb being on the move, if he does get traded, the only thing Presti has to show for the Harden trade is Steven Adams.

Raf-

At least Presti and Morey get their teams to the playoffs and in the case of Presti, make deep runs into the playoffs.

But we have Turd and Ernie...

"Washington, a team that can't seem to get back on its feet because the man attempting to help it up was the one who kneecapped it in the first place" - Kelly Dwyer

[closg00]

Morey holds all of the cards, he doesn't HAVE to trade Asik. My bet is that some team will sweeten the deal by the
deadline and Morey will end-up with a decent asset.

[Rafael122]

Eh, if it ends with the Rockets winning a championship in the next 4-5 years, cool. If not, he's Sam Presti 2.0, making moves, while great, and end up going nowhere. Morey thought he was going to find a sucker to take Asik off his hands and his gambled badly. It might work out, who knows.

And Presti, with the rumor of Lamb being on the move, if he does get traded, the only thing Presti has to show for the Harden trade is Steven Adams.

Raf-

At least Presti and Morey get their teams to the playoffs and in the case of Presti, make deep runs into the playoffs.

But we have Turd and Ernie...

"Washington, a team that can't seem to get back on its feet because the man attempting to help it up was the one who kneecapped it in the first place" - Kelly Dwyer

In the case of Presti, he hit the jackpot with Durant and Westbrook. It's hard to screw that up. He's a good GM, don't get me wrong, but he's a bit overhyped. It's pretty easy for him to pick the one that was left out of Oden and Durant.

[LyricalRico]

Morey holds all of the cards, he doesn't HAVE to trade Asik. My bet is that some team will sweeten the deal by the
deadline and Morey will end-up with a decent asset.

I'm not so sure. And it's not just Asik, I think they are in the same position with Jeremy Lin. Two starting quality players at two of the toughest positions to find talent, and it seems like they can't move either of them (presumably due to the way the contracts are structured).

I think there's a very real chance they end up on the hook next year for $30M in cash for two guys they are using as backups in Asik and Lin. If anything, they'll find takers for them at NEXT YEAR'S deadline from a team that wants them for a late season run but doesn't want the full financial hit.

Then again, if the value isn't high enough, they might as well keep them as depth for their own potential playoff run. Then they'd watch them walk away for nothing in free agency like OKC did with Kevin Martin, and Morey would have essentially outsmarted himself.

[verbal8]

Morey holds all of the cards, he doesn't HAVE to trade Asik. My bet is that some team will sweeten the deal by the
deadline and Morey will end-up with a decent asset.

My first thought is maybe Howard has some injury issue. Then it would make sense to keep Asik and play him during that time. However I think it is more likely an attempt to gain leverage/control the situation.

The rumored Boston offer seems about right value-wise. Maybe this is move to avoid Boston acquiring Asik and then flipping him to the Western Conference. I think Asik on the Trailbliazers is pretty scary to the Western conference. Especially if he is acquired without giving up part of the starting line-up.

My third thought it is an attempt to get more from Boston(or the highest current bidder). They might be caught up on pick protection or looking for a package yielding more immediate help. If they are looking for immediate help, I wonder if Jeff Green is their target.

[mohammed10]

Looks like Kobe just went down with a fractured left tibia..out 6 weeks.

Hello Tank!

To keep their slim/fading playoff hopes alive, do they pull the trigger on a trade?

* Paging Mr. Grunfeld, Mr. Kupchak is on line 2 about Trevor Ariza *

[Ruzious]

Looks like Kobe just went down with a fractured left tibia..out 6 weeks.

Hello Tank!

To keep their slim/fading playoff hopes alive, do they pull the trigger on a trade?

* Paging Mr. Grunfeld, Mr. Kupchak is on line 2 about Trevor Ariza *

Nah, they don't have anything available that we want. I don't see them trading Hill or a 1st round pick just for a quick fix.

I don't believe in Morey's self-imposed deadline. He's likely working in cahoots with Asik's agent to scare someone into making a bid.

[nate33]

Looks like Kobe just went down with a fractured left tibia..out 6 weeks.

Hello Tank!

To keep their slim/fading playoff hopes alive, do they pull the trigger on a trade?

* Paging Mr. Grunfeld, Mr. Kupchak is on line 2 about Trevor Ariza *

Nah, they don't have anything available that we want. I don't see them trading Hill or a 1st round pick just for a quick fix.

I don't believe in Morey's self-imposed deadline. He's likely working in cahoots with Asik's agent to scare someone into making a bid.

I'm actually quite pleased that the league didn't succumb to Morey's tactics. Morey's asking price is still way too high for a guy who only has one year left at $15M. Morey tried desperately to generate an auction-like atmosphere, but nobody else fell for it. At this point, the longer Morey waits, the lower Asik's value is going to be because he is under contract for fewer and fewer games. Also, it's pretty obvious that Asik is unhappy in Houston and his situation is affecting the team. Morey is dealing from a position of weakness.

[LyricalRico]

4-way to solve a few teams problems...

Lakers trade: Gasol, Meeks, Sacre and first
Lakers receive: Asik, Lin, Novak and Amir Johnson

Rockets trade: Asik, Lin and Montiejunas
Rockets receive: Boozer, Sacre and LAL first

Bulls trade: Boozer and Deng
Bulls receive: Lowry, Gasol and Meeks

Raptors trade: Lowry, Johnson and Novak
Raptors receive: Deng and Montiejunas

TRADE ID 6387375

Why for LA? They rebuild their entire starting lineup to keep making a playoff run even without Kobe. They also put a better team around Kobe than they could have with pure cap space next summer, while still having room in 2015.

Why for Houston? They get a skilled starting PF to complement Howard, plus a pick (basically breaks down to Lin+Donatas for Boozer and Asik for a mid-first, and they save eight-figures in cash next year).

Why for Chicago? They get some backcourt help this season while Rose is out, and they get Boozer's last year off their books so they don't have to use the amnesty clause.

Why for Toronto? They shave some longterm cap, get a young big man prospect in Donatas, and will be able to sign-and-trade Deng in the offseason for more value.

[MikeTheKid]

Can we get Thaddeus Young??? He always torches us and he really could open up the spacing for Wall penetration. Maybe Tony Wroten too and we give them Fart

[LyricalRico]

Statistically tracking the rumors:

http://hoopshype.com/articles/hoopshype ... -talks-445

Not sure what it means, but thought it was interesting. Let's see if it's any type of "where there's smoke, there's fire" confirmation based on deals that may be made before the deadline.

[Ruzious]

Statistically tracking the rumors:

http://hoopshype.com/articles/hoopshype ... -talks-445

Not sure what it means, but thought it was interesting. Let's see if it's any type of "where there's smoke, there's fire" confirmation based on deals that may be made before the deadline.

I'm surprised to see Ryan Anderson breaking into the top 10 for trade rumors. Ya know, the er... Pelicans must have serious buyer's remorse for signing Tyreke Evans. If we could agree to take on Evans' salary for them to give us Anderson for Nene, Seraphin, and Vesely, and they also give us Withey. Eh... even though Evans has a salary that goes down every year, it's awfully high to take on for another 3 years. And he really wouldn't fit here. So unless we could find a team to pawn him off on, it probably wouldn't help.

[dobrojim]

Can we get Thaddeus Young??? He always torches us and he really could open up the spacing for Wall penetration. Maybe Tony Wroten too and we give them Fart

It's risky to trade for a player that torches you. Their own stats won't
look as good since they don't play you anymore. Then they'll probably
just become the guy their overall stats say they are, maybe minus a little.

guessing you weren't really serious anyway...Maynor has little to no value
and then there is the issue of salaries

[LyricalRico]

Statistically tracking the rumors:

http://hoopshype.com/articles/hoopshype ... -talks-445

Not sure what it means, but thought it was interesting. Let's see if it's any type of "where there's smoke, there's fire" confirmation based on deals that may be made before the deadline.

I'm surprised to see Ryan Anderson breaking into the top 10 for trade rumors. Ya know, the er... Pelicans must have serious buyer's remorse for signing Tyreke Evans. If we could agree to take on Evans' salary for them to give us Anderson for Nene, Seraphin, and Vesely, and they also give us Withey. Eh... even though Evans has a salary that goes down every year, it's awfully high to take on for another 3 years. And he really wouldn't fit here. So unless we could find a team to pawn him off on, it probably wouldn't help.

Interesting thought on Evans. He hasn't developed like many thought he would, and his deal is pretty bad. But as a third guard he could be okay here. The biggest issue would be his deal potentially not allowing us to sign guys at other positions.

[Ruzious]

Statistically tracking the rumors:

http://hoopshype.com/articles/hoopshype ... -talks-445

Not sure what it means, but thought it was interesting. Let's see if it's any type of "where there's smoke, there's fire" confirmation based on deals that may be made before the deadline.

I'm surprised to see Ryan Anderson breaking into the top 10 for trade rumors. Ya know, the er... Pelicans must have serious buyer's remorse for signing Tyreke Evans. If we could agree to take on Evans' salary for them to give us Anderson for Nene, Seraphin, and Vesely, and they also give us Withey. Eh... even though Evans has a salary that goes down every year, it's awfully high to take on for another 3 years. And he really wouldn't fit here. So unless we could find a team to pawn him off on, it probably wouldn't help.

Interesting thought on Evans. He hasn't developed like many thought he would, and his deal is pretty bad. But as a third guard he could be okay here. The biggest issue would be his deal potentially not allowing us to sign guys at other positions.

I think the lux tax would bite us if we got Evans and Anderson and re-signed both Ariza and Gortat, so we'd probably have to make the decision to let Ariza go. But if Porter develops, that's okay. While Evans wouldn't be a good fit, we could be useful as the backup PG - he's certainly better than what he have.