Otto Porter Part 2

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[Shanghai Kid]

Otto Porter is going to get a max contract.

[NetSymptom]

I see the value in Reddick for sure--it's just such a weird jump to go from Plan A. Short contract for a vet sharpshooter to Plan B. Max for Otto Porter

Aside from both being shooters, they are wildly different strategies in regards to a teambuilding outlook

There was not really any sense in tying up our cap space in an offer that was extremely likely to be matched though...

If Otto was an UFA that would be one thing, but if Marks really wanted to sign someone we couldn't tie up all our space since you all would've waited until the final minute to match (which would be the right thing to do on your part). No sense really worrying about it, since it's almost a certainty you all match.

[Prokorov]

I see the value in Reddick for sure--it's just such a weird jump to go from Plan A. Short contract for a vet sharpshooter to Plan B. Max for Otto Porter

Aside from both being shooters, they are wildly different strategies in regards to a teambuilding outlook

There was not really any sense in tying up our cap space in an offer that was extremely likely to be matched though...

If Otto was an UFA that would be one thing, but if Marks really wanted to sign someone we couldn't tie up all our space since you all would've waited until the final minute to match (which would be the right thing to do on your part). No sense really worrying about it, since it's almost a certainty you all match.

this year the period to match is 2 days and all the targets we would go after are either gone or will still be there after the 2 days. i think its a lock the nets max porter... i hope the wiz arent bluffing. as much as i love porter the player it would be really tough to swallow a role player on a 4/100 deal

[Meliorus]

I see the value in Reddick for sure--it's just such a weird jump to go from Plan A. Short contract for a vet sharpshooter to Plan B. Max for Otto Porter

Aside from both being shooters, they are wildly different strategies in regards to a teambuilding outlook

There was not really any sense in tying up our cap space in an offer that was extremely likely to be matched though...

If Otto was an UFA that would be one thing, but if Marks really wanted to sign someone we couldn't tie up all our space since you all would've waited until the final minute to match (which would be the right thing to do on your part). No sense really worrying about it, since it's almost a certainty you all match.

this year the period to match is 2 days and all the targets we would go after are either gone or will still be there after the 2 days. i think its a lock the nets max porter... i hope the wiz arent bluffing. as much as i love porter the player it would be really tough to swallow a role player on a 4/100 deal

It's sort of like calling Draymond Green a role player. Otto is a 23 year old whose impact has always been greater than his stats. This Wizards team is simply better when he's on the court. NBA_Math Twitter had him as an All-Star last year given his offensive/defensive TPA. RPM had him as the 6th best small forward in the league. With the expectation that a bigger contract means bigger usage and more minutes, Otto will have better looking box-score stats next season. Also, he's still improving.

[Prokorov]

There was not really any sense in tying up our cap space in an offer that was extremely likely to be matched though...

If Otto was an UFA that would be one thing, but if Marks really wanted to sign someone we couldn't tie up all our space since you all would've waited until the final minute to match (which would be the right thing to do on your part). No sense really worrying about it, since it's almost a certainty you all match.

this year the period to match is 2 days and all the targets we would go after are either gone or will still be there after the 2 days. i think its a lock the nets max porter... i hope the wiz arent bluffing. as much as i love porter the player it would be really tough to swallow a role player on a 4/100 deal

It's sort of like calling Draymond Green a role player. Otto is a 23 year old whose impact has always been greater than his stats. This Wizards team is simply better when he's on the court. NBA_Math Twitter had him as an All-Star last year given his offensive/defensive TPA. RPM had him as the 6th best small forward in the league. With the expectation that a bigger contract means bigger usage and more minutes, Otto will have better looking box-score stats next season. Also, he's still improving.

thats all great. but id still be upset with that signing. maybe he is more then just an elite role guy. but i dont see him being some max player to carry a team. im also concerned he took a dip once bojan arrived.

if you match i hope he becomes a star for you. but i wouldnt take that risk

[keynote]

The Kings are the biggest threat to setting a high market price for Porter.

The Nets might chase KCP -- and get him. The Pistons have too much $ invested in their backcourt and may not be able to match a max contract. But the Kings won't chase KCP; they already have Buddy. And the Kings are desperate enough to overpay a RFA, despite knowing that they're unlikely to actually get him, since they have a tough time recruiting FAs in general.

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Based on the above, I hope this meeting with PJ Tucker goes well.

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[BigA]

So, the most any other team can offer is 4 years? Are there other provisions besides trade kickers that could be put in to make the deal more favorable for Otto?

[BigA]

Based on the above, I hope this meeting with PJ Tucker goes well.

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[dckingsfan]

[closg00]

Crazy, the Otto of 2-3 years from now might be worth the Max. I like his trajectory, but there's something wrong with the process when he gets this kind of money dump now.

[nate33]

I wonder how much agents game the system under these circumstances. If Sacramento knows we're going to match, they have no particular motivation to put a max bid out on Porter because it ties up their money that they would use on other free agents. The only real incentive for them to bid on Porter is if their agent works out a wink-wink deal with them:

"Hey Sacramento, if you put in a max offer for Porter now, I'll relax my negotiating stance on one of your other players sometime in the future."

It would be unethical for that agent to screw over some other client in order to make bigger money on a Porter deal, but they might do so anyhow.

[Tomhomes33]

If you guys max Porter..there in no money left to update bench-like at all..
Am i wrong?

[dckingsfan]

I wonder how much agents game the system under these circumstances. If Sacramento knows we're going to match, they have no particular motivation to put a max bid out on Porter because it ties up their money that they would use on other free agents. The only real incentive for them to bid on Porter is if their agent works out a wink-wink deal with them:

"Hey Sacramento, if you put in a max offer for Porter now, I'll relax my negotiating stance on one of your other players sometime in the future."

It would be unethical for that agent to screw over some other client in order to make bigger money on a Porter deal, but they might do so anyhow.

Agreed, but in this case they might really want Bogdanovic, so they throw an offer to Porter for the max so that nothing can be done on Bogdanovic?

I think Sac HAS to meet with Porter if Falk requests a meeting.

[nate33]

If you guys max Porter..there in no money left to update bench-like at all..
Am i wrong?

Nope. You are not wrong. The hope is our bench will improve based on more health from Mahinmi and continued improvement from Oubre and Sato. We also have Sheldon Mac who showed some promise in limited minutes. But you are essentially correct. Signing Porter will leave the team with terrible depth, though we should have one of the top 5 starting fives in the league.

[VeeJay24]

Who knows Maybe Otto really doesn't want to be with the Wizards? And makes that clear. So then it would be in the best interest of the Wizards to do a S & T; why have around a disgruntled player who doesn't want to be here. And Don't be mad at Otto, be mad at Grunfield!!! He could have already extended Otto at a better rate. Just look around at his peers from this draft who have already been extended. The Shroeders, Zellers, Adams & Goberts of the world; have all already been extended. And you can't complain about the 100 mil; it is the market, once again look at the extensions for the names I mentioned above. Otto could've looked around and seen his peers having already been extended and wondered why do I have to wait? This could've benn compounded by the stupid and insane contract given to Mahinmi. So there are many reasons why it could be in the best interest for the Kings to make that offer sheet. What I don't understand; if the Wizards are going to match any deal up to the max, why not just sign him from the start for the max?

[nate33]

What I don't understand; if the Wizards are going to match any deal up to the max, why not just sign him from the start for the max?

Because they'd rather not pay him the max.

This isn't very complicated. Porter at a max salary is better than no Porter at all, but Porter at $20M per year is better than Porter at $25M per year. What's hard to understand?

[dckingsfan]

Who knows Maybe Otto really doesn't want to be with the Wizards? And makes that clear. So then it would be in the best interest of the Wizards to do a S & T; why have around a disgruntled player who doesn't want to be here. And Don't be mad at Otto, be mad at Grunfield!!! He could have already extended Otto at a better rate. Just look around at his peers from this draft who have already been extended. The Shroeders, Zellers, Adams & Goberts of the world; have all already been extended. And you can't complain about the 100 mil; it is the market, once again look at the extensions for the names I mentioned above. Otto could've looked around and seen his peers having already been extended and wondered why do I have to wait? This could've benn compounded by the stupid and insane contract given to Mahinmi. So there are many reasons why it could be in the best interest for the Kings to make that offer sheet. What I don't understand; if the Wizards are going to match any deal up to the max, why not just sign him from the start for the max?

I think that the max the Wizards could offer over 5 years is more that other teams could offer over 4 years. Knowing his agent, I am sure he demanded the max over 5 years. Wiz management "probably" (guess, guess) offered the 4 year max? Probably won't know until this thing is over...

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