2012 NBA Draft

[DCZards]

Ugh, never post when you're busy, i didn't explain myself well, though I tried to in the parenthesis. My point about Barnes mental make up, isn't that he's an AJ Burnett, or a Derrick Coleman, it's that he doesn't do much of anything to suggest he will have an impact at the next level as anything other than, as other guys have put it, a volume scorer, and even there he's a borderline passive entity that doesnt enforce his will consistently on games, he appears, and disappears at will, it's why in viewings so many people come away thinking game to game, he's the 2nd or 3rd most influential option on UNC, when he should be the #1.

Consig, I think you're totally wrong about Barnes when it comes to him being passive. Yes, at times it can look like Barnes is not assertive (that can happen when you're playing with two other probable lottery picks in Henson and Zeller), but it's apparent that Barnes is the #1 option when a big shot is needed...and he usually delivers.

I think people see Barnes effortless, unemotional approach to the game as him being passive or unassertive. That would be wrong, imo.

I can see why people like MKG and he probably does have more of an upside than Harrison. But I'm convinced that Barnes is going to be a BIG time scorer and a clutch player at the next level.

[The Consiglieri]

Interesting Chad Ford notes from his chat yesterday:

Link:

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/ ... -chad-ford


"...vincent (md)



Is maturity the only thing between Javale McGee and superstardom?

Chad Ford
(1:31 PM)



Yes. But its a BIG problem right now.


Imraan (Washington, DC)



Why hasn't John Wall had a larger impact on the Wizards? I heard great things about him out of college but now he just hasn't hit the stardom predicted from him. Is it the Wizards or is it him?

Chad Ford
(1:36 PM)



I think it's the Wizards. Bad culture. Immature teammates. But I'm still surprised he hasn't impacted the team more. He's been a mild disappointment for me. So much talent there. The Wizards need to blow up this entire team (sans Trevor Booker) and get some adults in there

john (Toronto)



As a raps fan I'm really hoping they get Kidd-Gilchrist. I notice you have them taking him on your mock draft. Do you think he'll be available at 5 if the raps pick there? Any word on their level of interest, would they take him if they picked 2nd, for instance?

Chad Ford
(1:45 PM)



His range right now looks like 2-6. Other than Anthony Davis, he may be my personal favorite player in the draft. He plays so hard and can do so many things. I thought he put on a clinic last night in that Mississippi State game. If he was a more consistent three point threat he'd be the No. 2 pick in the draft for sure.


James F. (Palestine, Texas)



Chad draft question - Who do you think has the most potential and will have the bigger impact in the NBA out of the two top SGs Beal and Lamb?

Chad Ford
(1:50 PM)



Tough one. They are neck and neck on our Big Board. I'm a Beal fan personally. Think he's playing in a tough system for him right now. In high school, thought he was a combo of Ray Allen and Eric Gordon. Still believe he could be a major impact player at the two in the NBA. I like Lamb a lot too ... just feel Beal may have a more complete game. I wouldn't hesitate taking Beal in the Top 5 ... GMs are a little cooler on him.


John (Sacramento)



Did you watch Kentucky-Miss. St. last night? Arnett Moultrie looked pretty good against Davis. What's his draft range?

Chad Ford
(1:53 PM)



He's a great athlete and has size. Somewhere between 10-20.


Todd (Tn)



If Nerlens Noel and Shabaaz Muhammed were allowed in this draft what does the top 5 look like?

Chad Ford
(1:54 PM)



They're both in it. After Davis ... a bit of a let down with Harrison Barnes, Andre Drummond and Perry Jones. Kidd-Gilchrist is probably a lock in that 5. But Noel and Muhammed would probably push out Barnes and Drummond. Jones has already slid out of the Top 5 into the mid lottery.


David (St. Louis)



Perry Jones seems to be dropping in your top 100. Just because he's passive? Can that be fixed?

Chad Ford
(1:55 PM)



Actually. Motor, heart ... whatever you want to call it is one of the hardest things to fix.


Lee (Ca)



How far could Perry Jones drop?

Chad Ford
(1:55 PM)



He's down to 10 on our Big Board. Could slide again if he doesn't pick it up soon...."

[The Consiglieri]

Ugh, never post when you're busy, i didn't explain myself well, though I tried to in the parenthesis. My point about Barnes mental make up, isn't that he's an AJ Burnett, or a Derrick Coleman, it's that he doesn't do much of anything to suggest he will have an impact at the next level as anything other than, as other guys have put it, a volume scorer, and even there he's a borderline passive entity that doesnt enforce his will consistently on games, he appears, and disappears at will, it's why in viewings so many people come away thinking game to game, he's the 2nd or 3rd most influential option on UNC, when he should be the #1.

Consig, I think you're totally wrong about Barnes when it comes to him being passive. Yes, at times it can look like Barnes is not assertive (that can happen when you're playing with two other probable lottery picks in Henson and Zeller), but it's apparent that Barnes is the #1 option when a big shot is needed...and he usually delivers.

I think people see Barnes effortless, unemotional approach to the game as him being passive or unassertive. That would be wrong, imo.

I can see why people like MKG and he probably does have more of an upside than Harrison. But I'm convinced that Barnes is going to be a BIG time scorer and a clutch player at the next level.

Oddly enough, I've seen that before, a lot, in soccer (die hard fan of the international and club game), and for the record, scouts and GM's seem to be on your side, at least where there evals of him now. I don't think he'd be a lock for top 2-5 if they weren't more impressed than me. I could be totally wrong about him, I can own that, I just think MKG would be a much wiser investment when one considers what both of them lack, and appear to possess and how acquirable their missing elements are.

[closg00]

[closg00]

Interesting Chad Ford notes from his chat yesterday:

Link:

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/ ... -chad-ford

Why hasn't John Wall had a larger impact on the Wizards? I heard great things about him out of college but now he just hasn't hit the stardom predicted from him. Is it the Wizards or is it him?

Chad Ford
(1:36 PM)


I think it's the Wizards. Bad culture. Immature teammates. But I'm still surprised he hasn't impacted the team more. He's been a mild disappointment for me. So much talent there. The Wizards need to blow up this entire team (sans Trevor Booker) and get some adults in there
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THIS is the perception league-wide and it is the truth about the Wizards organization. Ted's got to clean-house.

[llcc25]

He needs to look out how the Bulls built team around Rose and hire a GM who can follow that approach. Bring in the right type of talent and high character guys to fit in with Wall's game.

[Dat2U]

THIS is the perception league-wide and it is the truth about the Wizards organization. Ted's got to clean-house.

Sad thing is Leonsis has been the owner for almost two years now. And he STILL hasn't cleaned house. Not in front office, not in coaching staff (only Flip was sacrificed) and not in the locker room either.

Leonsis is much like Daniel Snyder in one regard. He's shown an incredible amount of trust in the wrong person. Grunfeld is Teddy's Vinny Cerrato right now. I don't think the rebuild is going to go anywhere unless we get incredibly lucky in the draft once again or until Leonsis finally makes a change.

[miller31time]

He needs to look out how the Bulls built team around Rose and hire a GM who can follow that approach. Bring in the right type of talent and high character guys to fit in with Wall's game.

I think this is actually one of our biggest problems -- why can't we pave our own road? Why can't WE be the team other rebuilding teams look to emulate? Why do WE have to be the follower who always has to look to their big brother franchises for instructions?

I say F that. We do what it takes to improve our team. Not based on the Thunder strategy. Not based on the Bulls strategy. But based on sound executive decisions and personnel/coaching moves. Don't pass up on this or that because it's not what OKC or CHI did, etc.