Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected in the 2011 Draft
Moderators: LyricalRico, nate33, montestewart
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
-
- Retired Mod
- Posts: 47,909
- And1: 11,582
- Joined: Jul 17, 2001
-
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
We have a smart board. Vesely by miles.
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
- TGW
- RealGM
- Posts: 13,344
- And1: 6,715
- Joined: Oct 22, 2010
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
I would probably stay away from Vesely, because the production doesn't match the physical ability...at some point you have wonder where the disconnect is. He's 6'10 with long arms and is super-athletic, can run the floor, and is non-stiff. Why isn't he a good basketball player?
Some random troll wrote:Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
- tontoz
- RealGM
- Posts: 20,303
- And1: 5,047
- Joined: Apr 11, 2005
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
NbdyBeatsTheWiz wrote:If rumors that we like Vesley continue I'll be watchin the draft in my garage in case they DO draft him and I'm inclined to throw the remote. Wouldn't want to break my plasma.

I was wondering where you were going with that.
"bulky agile perimeter bone crunch pick setting draymond green" WizD
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
-
- RealGM
- Posts: 24,501
- And1: 4,470
- Joined: Nov 21, 2004
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
Ones first impressions are usually correct.
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
- sashae
- Bench Warmer
- Posts: 1,347
- And1: 94
- Joined: Dec 15, 2003
- Location: nyc
-
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
Basically, we're not going to be happy with this draft. Sounds about right 

ernie grunfeld: the perpetual dumpster fire of general management
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
- tontoz
- RealGM
- Posts: 20,303
- And1: 5,047
- Joined: Apr 11, 2005
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
bump
"bulky agile perimeter bone crunch pick setting draymond green" WizD
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
-
- Senior Mod - NBA Player Comparisons
- Posts: 30,447
- And1: 9,968
- Joined: Aug 14, 2004
- Location: South Florida
-
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
You had to remind us didn't you . . . sigh. The administration was still defending the Kenny Green pick over Karl Malone at this time in Malone's rookie year too.
“Most people use statistics like a drunk man uses a lamppost; more for support than illumination,” Andrew Lang.
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
-
- RealGM
- Posts: 24,501
- And1: 4,470
- Joined: Nov 21, 2004
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
Wow, it was an easy call for Wiz board members an anyway. Painful to read so-many guys making the right call on Ves.
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
- Illuminaire
- Veteran
- Posts: 2,970
- And1: 606
- Joined: Jan 04, 2010
-
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
Am I defending Ves too much now to say "I told you so" now?
Leonard is still getting real (and productive) minutes on the Spurs... and heck, he's shooting 33% from 3 point range!
Leonard is still getting real (and productive) minutes on the Spurs... and heck, he's shooting 33% from 3 point range!

Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
-
- Veteran
- Posts: 2,601
- And1: 568
- Joined: Nov 10, 2010
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
Someone should seriously send this thread to Ted
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
-
- Junior
- Posts: 369
- And1: 46
- Joined: May 19, 2010
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
I understand that people aren't happy with how Vesely is playing, but looking at that group, it seems that there was really nothing to pick from. I mean, who's the best there? Leonard? I get the feeling we won't regret passing on any of those guys, even if Vesely is a complete train wreck.
In hindsight, it seems the best move would have been to package #6 and the Singleton pick for pick(s) in this year's draft.
In hindsight, it seems the best move would have been to package #6 and the Singleton pick for pick(s) in this year's draft.
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
- Chocolate City Jordanaire
- RealGM
- Posts: 54,605
- And1: 10,338
- Joined: Aug 05, 2001
-
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
Not me. Greg Popovich loves Kawhi Leonard's defense and he has started games for SA. Biyombo plays Dwight Howard much better than Javale McGee, and is starting now. Players drafted later than Jan Vesely, like Brandon Knight, Markieff Morris, Marshon Brooks, and Iman Shumpert have all started games.
The Wizards passed on several players who could have helped on offense. Klay Thompson, Tobias Harris, Jon Leuer, and Chandler Parsons either shoot and/or pass well.
Vesely is a player i will give time, but there are many other picks that would have paid more immediate good results for Washington. I haven't mentioned Kenneth Faried, but he's way better than Vesely IMO.
A later pick that would have made a ton of sense was JaJuan Johnson. Good to great offensive player at PF.
The Wizards passed on several players who could have helped on offense. Klay Thompson, Tobias Harris, Jon Leuer, and Chandler Parsons either shoot and/or pass well.
Vesely is a player i will give time, but there are many other picks that would have paid more immediate good results for Washington. I haven't mentioned Kenneth Faried, but he's way better than Vesely IMO.
A later pick that would have made a ton of sense was JaJuan Johnson. Good to great offensive player at PF.
Tre Johnson is the future of the Wizards.
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
-
- Junior
- Posts: 369
- And1: 46
- Joined: May 19, 2010
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
Biyombo is terrible.
Again, out of that group (i.e. players that could have been realistically selected), Leonard's the best one, and he's an average player at this point.
No impact players, no one that looks like a budding star.
Again, out of that group (i.e. players that could have been realistically selected), Leonard's the best one, and he's an average player at this point.
No impact players, no one that looks like a budding star.
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
-
- RealGM
- Posts: 24,501
- And1: 4,470
- Joined: Nov 21, 2004
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
Mizerooskie wrote:Biyombo is terrible.
Again, out of that group (i.e. players that could have been realistically selected), Leonard's the best one, and he's an average player at this point.
No impact players, no one that looks like a budding star.
It remains to be seen who is the best out of who was available that night, but I would have been happy with any of them except Biyombo over Vesely, even more-so now that Young will walk for nothing in return.
Walker
Knight
Thompson
The Morris brothers
Leonard
All of these ^ guys would be better pieces to build-with alongside Wall over Vesely.
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
-
- RealGM
- Posts: 24,501
- And1: 4,470
- Joined: Nov 21, 2004
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
BTW, Biyombo with 13 rebounds, 7 blocks & 8 points last night.
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
-
- RealGM
- Posts: 14,899
- And1: 2,592
- Joined: Apr 23, 2009
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
Mizerooskie wrote:Biyombo is terrible.
Again, out of that group (i.e. players that could have been realistically selected), Leonard's the best one, and he's an average player at this point.
No impact players, no one that looks like a budding star.
Good thread & epic bump.
I voted Montiejunas, can you please explain why Biyombo is terrible??
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
-
- Assistant Coach
- Posts: 4,422
- And1: 5
- Joined: May 22, 2011
- Location: DMV
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
Sik Infant wrote:Mizerooskie wrote:Biyombo is terrible.
Again, out of that group (i.e. players that could have been realistically selected), Leonard's the best one, and he's an average player at this point.
No impact players, no one that looks like a budding star.
Good thread & epic bump.
I voted Montiejunas, can you please explain why Biyombo is terrible??
I heard Biyombo has been playing pretty well in limited minutes, but i wasn't in favor of the Wizards taking him. I think he's a huge project, and I wouldn't have taken him in the lottery.
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
-
- RealGM
- Posts: 14,899
- And1: 2,592
- Joined: Apr 23, 2009
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
7-Day Dray wrote:Sik Infant wrote:Mizerooskie wrote:Biyombo is terrible.
Again, out of that group (i.e. players that could have been realistically selected), Leonard's the best one, and he's an average player at this point.
No impact players, no one that looks like a budding star.
Good thread & epic bump.
I voted Montiejunas, can you please explain why Biyombo is terrible??
I heard Biyombo has been playing pretty well in limited minutes, but i wasn't in favor of the Wizards taking him. I think he's a huge project, and I wouldn't have taken him in the lottery.
He's playing very well in not so limited minutes, his last game against Toronto he had 8/13/7 & only one foul in 32 minutes.
I think if the draft was redone tomorrow he'd have a case to be the #2 pick.
That sounds extreme but it's reality for a 19yr old defensive freak center.
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
- God Squad
- RealGM
- Posts: 13,335
- And1: 11,564
- Joined: Feb 22, 2010
- Location: Toronto
-
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
I'm nearly positive that if that draft was re-done Jonas would be selected around 1 - 5. San Antonio wanted to trade Parker to Toronto in order to move up and draft Valanciunas. They saw he had a PER that's through the roof .I know many people havnt seen him play. But I think hes the real deal in tems of a center prospect.

Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
- God Squad
- RealGM
- Posts: 13,335
- And1: 11,564
- Joined: Feb 22, 2010
- Location: Toronto
-
Re: Poll: Which Player Should Not Be Selected?
Also I read 2 weeks ago, I can't find the article atm, he was voted FIBA Young men European player of the year of 2011. Runner Ups were Nicola Mirotic and Enes Kanter. http://www.fibaeurope.com/viewNewslette ... 5B5B5DF%7D - found it
