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[hands11]

Cousins was the fourth best player drafted last year -- from the University of Kentucky. Wall -> Patterson -> Bledsoe -> Cousins -> Orton. There's still a pretty good chance Orton will catch him.

I think Orton will show up in a few years as a player. Not a star but a good player.

[DMVleGeND]

Cousins was the fourth best player drafted last year -- from the University of Kentucky. Wall -> Patterson -> Bledsoe -> Cousins -> Orton. There's still a pretty good chance Orton will catch him.

I think Orton will show up in a few years as a player. Not a star but a good player.

I think he'll be out of the league by the time his rookie contract is up! The guy showed nothing in college and was TERRIBLE in the summer league. The only thing he did well was get 1 big block each game.

[theboomking]

Wall volunteered to represent the franchise at the lottery if it would help give the Wizards some good luck.

“I think any guy we get, if we get top five or top 10, can really help our team. But that guy has to understand that it’s going to be a learning process for him. There are going to be some ups and downs, but that’s something I can really help him with because I just got through it,” Wall said. “If we just add another guard or wing player or post player, it’ll just help us out, and you’ve got to have two or three pieces to go far. You can’t win it with one player. That’s what teams are doing. They have three guys, and everybody else knows their roles we’ve just got to add certain pieces to the team."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wi ... story.html

I love JW's temperament and attitude. I realy like his chances of realizing his potential.

BTW, anyone know where I could find PER stats by month? I'm curious to see how Wall progressed, in terms of PER, after the all star break.

[RickRoll_inDC]

I know this is the John Wall Thread, but still. NY has a pretty good attitude as well (apart from the grammar, of course)

I done seen a lot, being a Wizard. I’m going to keep my options open and hope for the best. The Wizards drafted me, so it’s only right that I’d come back.

[theboomking]

I cut and pasted this from another post I made in a different thread. I found the stats encouraging.

I know we aren't considering pro careers here, but for those that have railed on about how poorly Wall compares to Rose, using the ESPN stat database, I compiled their rookie stats post All-Star break, and here is what I got.

____________Wall --------------------------------------------Rose

Games______27 ----------------------------------------------28
MPG_______ 39 ----------------------------------------------37.4
PPG________18.2---------------------------------------------16.8
APG________7.44-------------------------------------------- 6.32
RPG)_______5.22---------------------------------------------4.5
SPG________1.85---------------------------------------------0.79
BPG_______ 0.63---------------------------------------------0.21
FTA/g______6.96---------------------------------------------3.25
PPS________1.17---------------------------------------------1.17
TO_________3.96---------------------------------------------2.46
FG%________.410----------------------------------------------.480
FT%________.787----------------------------------------------.802

Wall had more turnovers and shot a much lower FG%. However, the fact that Wall and Rose scored the same number of points per shot means that Wall's increased FT attempts, and better 3 point shooting negated his low FG% when looking at overall offensive efficiency.

To summarize, outside of his turnover rate, Wall was superior to Rose in almost every major category. Wall scored more PPG on the same offensive efficiency, had more rebounds, more assists, more than twice as many steals, more than twice as many blocks, and more than twice as many FTA's.

I'm not saying that John is going to be a better player than Derrick Rose has become. I am saying that after the All-Star Break, John played better than Rose did at any point in his rookie year.

[Rafael122]

BTW, John Wall won Eastern Conference rookie of the month for the 4th month in a row.

[GhostsOfGil]

I cut and pasted this from another post I made in a different thread. I found the stats encouraging.

I know we aren't considering pro careers here, but for those that have railed on about how poorly Wall compares to Rose, using the ESPN stat database, I compiled their rookie stats post All-Star break, and here is what I got.

____________Wall --------------------------------------------Rose

Games______27 ----------------------------------------------28
MPG_______ 39 ----------------------------------------------37.4
PPG________18.2---------------------------------------------16.8
APG________7.44-------------------------------------------- 6.32
RPG)_______5.22---------------------------------------------4.5
SPG________1.85---------------------------------------------0.79
BPG_______ 0.63---------------------------------------------0.21
FTA/g______6.96---------------------------------------------3.25
PPS________1.17---------------------------------------------1.17
TO_________3.96---------------------------------------------2.46
FG%________.410----------------------------------------------.480
FT%________.787----------------------------------------------.802

to add to that i took this from the same thread; if there are any doubts towards walls shooting efficiency, i think we needn't worry

star pgs rookie season shooting
wall 49.4 ts%
deron will 50.0 ts%
rose 51.6 ts%
westbrook 48.9 ts%
jason kid 47 ts%
rodno 47 ts%
cp3 54.6 ts%
nash 53.6 ts%
baron davis 48.6 ts%
tony parker 49.7 ts%

[Halcyon]

Combine it with the fact that Wall seems to have a great work ethic, there's no reason why he can't have a very respectable jumpshot like Westbrook does now, or eventually have a very good one like Rose does.

[Higga]

Wall really should win ROY. Griffin is not a rookie IMO. Yeah I know he didn't play at all last year but he was still technically in the NBA and got to spend a year figuring out how the NBA lifestyle goes.

Meh, oh well. Griffin is a highlight reel type guy but I think in the long run Wall will be the bigger winner.

[GhostsOfGil]

also, blake is a dbag on the level of kevin garnett

[DCZards]

I'd also point out that Wall had far less experience around him in the backcourt post all-star break than Rose did in his rookie season. John was out there primiarly with fellow rookie J. Crawford and NBDL all-star Jeffers. While Rose was teamed with Hinrich and Ben Gordon. And Wall's mediocre FG% can be attributed, to some degree, to the fact that, with injuries to guys like Lewis and Nick, Wall was forced to take more shots than either he or the coaches would have liked.

Guys, given what we've seen already, I believe the Zards have a potential superstar in JW. I think we can close the case on whether or not EG did the right thing by drafting Wall.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I don't really have a problem with closing the case on that. I also believe Wall is going to become a superstar in about 3 years.

My favorite moments and newfound appreciation Wall have occurred very recently. I like his response to Ilgauskas. John's not a big guy, but he at least tried to hit Ilgauskas. That response is instinctive. Some guys cower down and some guys fight back. I know which one Wall is.

But the best part is a quote that I can't find or else I'd link it. After the final game Wall made the comment that he couldn't believe the season was already over. I realize he missed a lot of games injured and he struggled at times, but his resolve was that of a guy just getting started. He spoke with optimism and a tone of how he couldn't wait to work on some things.

That IS a winner right there. He's a very young man, not even close to physically mature. However, he's already got the right mindset. He is going to fight to get better.

DCZards, I agree on the potential superstar. What I LOVE is he's got a running partner who simply has a lot of moxie, toughness, and confidence in Jordan Crawford. Crawford has HEART--more than Wall IMO. Like comparing uncommonly exceptional (Crawford) to very good (Wall) will. Wall has uncommonly superior athletic talent and a mind to improve. He's got a great work ethic.

Together I expect great things from them in 1-2 seasons. Sooner than later. I EXPECT playoffs (around 40 wins) next season.

[DCZards]

DCZards, I agree on the potential superstar. What I LOVE is he's got a running partner who simply has a lot of moxie, toughness, and confidence in Jordan Crawford. Crawford has HEART--more than Wall IMO. Like comparing uncommonly exceptional (Crawford) to very good (Wall) will. Wall has uncommonly superior athletic talent and a mind to improve. He's got a great work ethic.

Together I expect great things from them in 1-2 seasons. Sooner than later. I EXPECT playoffs (around 40 wins) next season.

Yup, I believe the Zards struck gold with Crawford. He was a 27th pick in the draft, but I could easily see Jordan turning out to a better NBA player than10-12 of the guys drafted ahead of him. Even in his obvious rawness, you can see that Crawford is a gem that just needs polishing.

When the Zards traded for Crawford, and some Wizard fans asked me, "who the hell is Jordan Crawford?", all I said was: "Believe me, the kid can play."

Crawford's playing style and body language does take some getting used to. You watch his herky-jerky movements and think "he's out of control." Then you realize that he's really under control (most of the time) and those strange movements he's making are just a natural part of his game.

[fugop]

also, blake is a dbag on the level of kevin garnett

It's an unprovable counterfactual, but I'm incredibly grateful for Griffin and his douchery. My concern from day one was always that Wall would turn into a douche of the Lebron ilk, their connection creep(ed?) me out. Combined with Calipari, I figured there was a more than acceptable chance that Wall would find things too easy, rest on his laurels, and become a waste-of-talent prima donna.

It looks like things couldn't be further from my nightmare scenario. He's more Gil than LBJ when it comes to fan interaction, and he seems driven to work on his game, improve, and win.

I suspect part of this is because of Wall's early injury troubles, and his difficulty with his shot. It looked like his confidence got dinged back in Dec. or Jan., and he responded well, rather than with Kwame-like catatonia.

Another part is Griffin. Things have come too easy for Griffin, from day-1 superstar calls to fixed dunk contests. Wall is probably acutely aware of Griffin's performance, attitude, and reception.

Enough armchair psychoanalysis from me.

[Dat2U]

DCZards, I agree on the potential superstar. What I LOVE is he's got a running partner who simply has a lot of moxie, toughness, and confidence in Jordan Crawford. Crawford has HEART--more than Wall IMO. Like comparing uncommonly exceptional (Crawford) to very good (Wall) will. Wall has uncommonly superior athletic talent and a mind to improve. He's got a great work ethic.

Together I expect great things from them in 1-2 seasons. Sooner than later. I EXPECT playoffs (around 40 wins) next season.

Yup, I believe the Zards struck gold with Crawford. He was a 27th pick in the draft, but I could easily see Jordan turning out to a better NBA player than10-12 of the guys drafted ahead of him. Even in his obvious rawness, you can see that Crawford is a gem that just needs polishing.

When the Zards traded for Crawford, and some Wizard fans asked me, "who the hell is Jordan Crawford?", all I said was: "Believe me, the kid can play."

Crawford's playing style and body language does take some getting used to. You watch his herky-jerky movements and think "he's out of control." Then you realize that he's really under control (most of the time) and those strange movements he's making are just a natural part of his game.

I loved Jordan's moxie at Xavier. I had him as a late lottery pick on my board (of course I also had Hassan Whiteside & Dominique Jones there too, lol). I was actually upset that we traded up for Booker as opposed to getting Jones or Crawford but oh well. I guess it worked out in the end. Booker looks like a potentially decent backup too.

I think a reason Crawford may have lasted as long in the draft was because there seemed to be some rumors out there questioning his mental makeup. I even seen the word "crazy" mentioned. Not sure why, but anyone who tries to dunk on LeBron and succeeds is a baller in my book.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I think I see why, but then again it takes one to know one, Dat.

JC's young and positive for this team for the coming future, and that is all that matters to me.

[Induveca]

The quotes Saunders keeps floating about Wall being similar to Garnett irk me a bit. I swear it seems like this bum just uses KG's name to remind people he once coached a *decent* team led by one of the most talented power forwards during his prime to ever play the game.

He made it out of the first round once, never won a damn thing.........and KG has openly said he was a fool to stay in Minnesota so long and waste his prime.

I, for one, am sick of the guy.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I just forgot to post about it, Induveca...

Flip and yet another KG comment irked me as well.

[DCZards]

The quotes Saunders keeps floating about Wall being similar to Garnett irk me a bit. I swear it seems like this bum just uses KG's name to remind people he once coached a *decent* team led by one of the most talented power forwards during his prime to ever play the game.

He made it out of the first round once, never won a damn thing.........and KG has openly said he was a fool to stay in Minnesota so long and waste his prime.

I, for one, am sick of the guy.

C'mon, give Flip a break! It's called honesty and free speech...a seemingly on point observation from someone who knows both KG and Wall personally. If nothing else, it's an affirmation of Wall's potential and work ethic...and almost certainly a boost to the young guy's self-esteem.

[nate33]

I agree with DCZards. Flip was trying to compliment Wall by comparing him with one of the top 20 greatest players of all time, and arguably one of the top 10 most competitive players of all time. There's nothing backhanded about the compliment. It's good to be compared to KG.