2011 DRAFT blather goes here. Part 3...

[fishercob]

Rico, of all your ridiculousness, listing Najera as a SF might take the cake. The guy can barely walk now.

[Wizardspride]

However, I think DWill answers our issues at the 4

Personally, I'm not at all sure if DWill answers all of our issues at the 4.

Heck, I'm not sure if he is a 4.

[Illuminaire]

If Diaw is starting for us, we have already failed. =p

Meanwhile: What's with all the hate for "draft-n-stash?" I mean, removing the emotional component of wanting someone new, shiny, and preferably talented to root for, what's the actual problem with that? We're not talking about long term stashes here, we're talking about letting Europe rent them for one year, which is possibly a lockout year anyways.

[Dat2U]

Frankly I'd be happy if we came out this draft with Singleton & Faried.

Not sold on Jonas. Not overly impressed with Leonard or Vesely. I hate the Marion comparisons for Leonard. Leonard is not the hyper athletic freak of nature Marion is. Marion is such a unique player, I don't see anything incredibly unique or special about Leonard.

I'd be happy if Walker falls. Like doc says Walker is baller. I'd even be happy if Kanter falls.

One could make a case for Biyombo. He's the wild card in my opinion.

Right now if the draft goes how I think it will go its going to be between Singleton, Faried & Biyombo for me.

[TGW]

well, at #6, I'm leaning towards Leonard. hopefully he can improve his 3pt shot and be a lock down defender. He'd understudy to Rashard for a year and be our permanent SF of the future.

Vesley's intriguing, but i keep thinking Darius Miles when I watch video of him. The guy can run, jump and dunk....but that's about it. <50% FT shooting? what the crap is that about?

gotta love the latest DX post on Leonard on 5/15:

Amongst all the prospects we saw here, Leonard may be the biggest beneficiary of Impact's on-court training. He's a ridiculous physical specimen with no body fat, long arms, and giant hands, but has room to improve skill-wise. He's been able to take advantage of his time here to the fullest since he loves being in the gym.

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Physical specimen, loves being in the gym...sign me up!

Yea, between him and Marcus Morris, they are the safest bets at the wings around our pick.

Leonard is intriguing as a defender/rebounder. DX and Ford are now very high on him.

[Black Eyed Sooz]

I definitely think we need to trade up. Including the #18 with the #6 would be the absolute lowest starting point that the teams at 2-4 would consider. I would be more than happy to throw in Blatche as well- but who knows if they would consider that sweetening the deal or not.

What would probably get the deal done immediately would be including next year's 1st round pick- and in fact there are guys on the Utah board suggesting this exact trade. But it looks like almost everyone here - and probably Grunfeld as well- would be dead set against it.

I just think we need to come away with one of Kanter, Valanciunas, or Biyombo- these guys are going to be quality big men in the league. Maybe one of them drops to #6 if the current order stands, but we don't want to have a couple teams trade in front of us to get all 3 of them and leave us with Knight, Walker, or Vesely.

I'm sorry, but tell me again why we would go Euro in the top 2-3 when DWill may still be on the board?

Wizards need athletes, not another Pech

I guess I was thinking more in terms of the #3 or #4 slots for the International Men of Mystery mentioned above. If we could get up to #2- you would have to go DWill... I think. I will say, though, that the times I saw him play in the Pac-10 I was a little concerned about his defense. He got muscled pretty badly against Washington and UCLA at the PF spot. Would it be a better match-up for him defensively going against NBA small forwards? Hard to say.

In any case, I seriously doubt we'll have the goods to trade up to #2, so in all likelihood it's a moot point.

[Mizerooskie]

So, something I've been thinking about: this is essentially a 2 man draft, right?

Would either Williams or Irving have gone in the top 5 of the 2010 draft?

[fishercob]

I hate the Marion comparisons for Leonard. Leonard is not the hyper athletic freak of nature Marion is. Marion is such a unique player, I don't see anything incredibly unique or special about Leonard.

I think the comparisons are more born out of his energy and rebounding/defense. He's obviously not the natural athlete Marion was coming out of UNLV. He was unreal. As I said earlier, I see more of a Luol Deng -- and that's just fine with me if that's what he indeed turns out to be.

[Hoopalotta]

Meanwhile: What's with all the hate for "draft-n-stash?" I mean, removing the emotional component of wanting someone new, shiny, and preferably talented to root for, what's the actual problem with that? We're not talking about long term stashes here, we're talking about letting Europe rent them for one year, which is possibly a lockout year anyways.

That looks to be the main issue to me - it's more fun to go into camp with a high profile rookie. I for one don't believe that anyone projected around 6th is really going to make a difference in terms of accumulating actual wins next year.

Maybe the Morris twins, Faried or Singleton would be the win now guys. Leonard's interesting, but I don't see him coming close to beating out Lewis for the starting spot.

[wake20]

I'd be happy if Walker falls. Like doc says Walker is baller. I'd even be happy if Kanter falls.

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If Knight or Walker is available, I'd think EG's phone would be blowing up with teams trying to trade up. As a poster said earlier, wait wait wait and have all the scenarios drawn up. If the top 5 is Irving/DWill/Kanter/Knight/Walker, wait a bit to see if anyone wants to jump up to grab Vesely, Leonard, or Biyembo, then grab whoever we thought was the best of the three.

[LyricalRico]

Rico, of all your ridiculousness, listing Najera as a SF might take the cake. The guy can barely walk now.

C''mon, you're gonna knock me for a listing of bench players? Fine, we'll find some other scrub to be a backup SF (Evans?). That's not the "make or break" part of the scenario.

[20MexicanosIn1Van]

Say no to trading up in the draft if it involves any of our young players (except for Blatche) or a future 1st round pick. The #1 pick in this draft is as good as the #10 pick in next years draft. Heck, Seraphin would be a guarenteed top 10 pick in this draft. Any move involving 2012 picks, McGee, Crawford, etc. would simply be a result of impatience.

[dlts20]

I Dont Care What We Do, Except.......


I wouldnt trade Dray. As for the picks, Im not sold on anyone in this draft. The only guy Im halfway sold on to be atleast solid is Irving but IDK if he's a star. All the other guys could just be regular guys if you ask me but if I had to pick the guy who I think looks the best for us, its Vesley due to his size, athletic ability, and shooting. I think he could be another Gallinari who is very good on D, can handle the rock, and shoot the J. I think Wall needs another shooter on the floor.

I dont trust Williams for us or maybe period. I think he may be a true tweener. I think he's an undersized 4 who can play the 3 but wont play it well. I dont think he would be so much different then Booker for us. Maybe better but nothing special. Katner is a good big body but nearly all the experts say he may be ready to play now as a backup but he has the least amount of upside out of all the Foriegn guys.

Leonard may be good but again, I think we need a shooter and he looks like one of those guys who can only attack the rim. I just think Vesley fits us the best and if we stay at 6 then he may drop to us. Id take him or trade the pick for a vet. Again though, dont trade Dray. I think our Frontcourt is more solid then others do. I think McGee, Dray, KS, & Book could be something so I would try to add a 3.

[Induveca]

Trading next year's pick makes no sense. I like what I've heard of Kanter, but not enough to miss out on Barnes next year.

[WizarDynasty]

i think i might go vesely too. i see 3 and d for sure with him. 6'11 quickness is a nightmare for perimeter oriented teams which is the majority of nba now. jeffries with a three point shot.

[Illuminaire]

All the other guys could just be regular guys if you ask me but if I had to pick the guy who I think looks the best for us, its Vesley due to his size, athletic ability, and shooting. I think he could be another Gallinari who is very good on D, can handle the rock, and shoot the J. I think Wall needs another shooter on the floor.

Vesely is shooting ~30% from the international 3-point line. He is shooting ~50% from the FT line.

I repeat, over 40 games, Jan Vesely is shooting about fifty percent from the free throw line.

Can we take the myth that he's a good shooter outside, stab it repeatedly in the face, and leave the body in a ditch, please?

Edit: Just for fun, let's also remember that he's an "athletic" 6'11 player who barely snags four rebounds a game. Four. Rebounds. A. Game. Not fair, say you, because he doesn't play a lot of minutes? He's still getting barely six rebounds a game per-36. I'm sorry, but for a leaper with his size and experience level, that tells you he has terrible instincts or B-ball IQ.

[Illuminaire]

i think i might go vesely too. i see 3 and d for sure with him. 6'11 quickness is a nightmare for perimeter oriented teams which is the majority of nba now. jeffries with a three point shot.

The ability to TAKE three point shots does not equate to the ability to MAKE three point shots on a consistent basis.

[Ruzious]

i think i might go vesely too. i see 3 and d for sure with him. 6'11 quickness is a nightmare for perimeter oriented teams which is the majority of nba now. jeffries with a three point shot.

Ared showed more 3 point shooting ability in college than Vesely's shown, so assuming Vesely has 3 point range is a nonstarter. People say Vesely's such a great athlete but... does he really have quickness and mobility? Has he really shown he can move side to side exceptionally well? If I had to pick 1 player who I think will bust compared to where he gets picked, it's Vesely and nobody else is close. He's 21, and I've seen no skill he does well other than dunking - and how many NBA players can't look good dunking? Somebody said he has power. Uh... no. Not even close. In the NBA, some shooting guards will easily overpower him. He's most likely ared effries without good defense.

[RT31]

well, at #6, I'm leaning towards Leonard. hopefully he can improve his 3pt shot and be a lock down defender. He'd understudy to Rashard for a year and be our permanent SF of the future.

Vesley's intriguing, but i keep thinking Darius Miles when I watch video of him. The guy can run, jump and dunk....but that's about it. <50% FT shooting? what the crap is that about?

gotta love the latest DX post on Leonard on 5/15:

Amongst all the prospects we saw here, Leonard may be the biggest beneficiary of Impact's on-court training. He's a ridiculous physical specimen with no body fat, long arms, and giant hands, but has room to improve skill-wise. He's been able to take advantage of his time here to the fullest since he loves being in the gym.

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Physical specimen, loves being in the gym...sign me up!

The only problem is he can't shoot. But if he can develop a jumper, then I wouldn't mind this pick. He can guard 3 positions, so he'd be a beast defensively. I'm warming up to him.

depends on what you believe, but i'm of the "you can teach shooting" camp. it might take a year or two, but we have shard here for that long. you can't teach desire. seems to me like this guy's got it.

[pancakes3]

piling onto the veseley hate-train, he sounds like a poor man's yi jianlin.