Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Illuminaire wrote:CCJ, I remain perplexed by your definition of blue-chip talent. Carter scores inefficiently. For comparison sake, Wall was better from 2-pt range, 3-pt range, and shot about the same from the FT line (while getting there twice as often). Yeah, he does some things very well. He also does some things quite poorly... I don't see "transcendental" in his game at all.
The grass ain't always greener, bro. Sometimes it's just more grass.
It's not Wall for Carter-Williams, though I believe a guy like Carter-Williams might come in the league a better floor general than Wall. The guy seems like he can really get after it on the defensive end, too. I never would trade Wall for him or McCollum one-for-one, even though I can see either guy being more of a winner than John.
I have not been a huge Wall fan ever. He is extremely overrated. When I suggested trading Wall for the rights to Kyrie Irving and a later pick, people thought I was crazy. I respect Dat's knowledge of the draft more than anyone else. He couldn't get past Wall's athletic gifts. I say the other guy is a real good shooter, a natural leader, and a very sharp young man. Some people are a quick study and he is one. John is not. (
OTOH Irving's durability and his turnovers are both cause for concern.) I look at players' leadership and whether they can make others better. I have to watch MCW more but i"m sold on McCollum.
I have also seen enough of John Wall to know he's really, really fast in transition. He's also not a great PG, YET. His form on the jumper looks improved but I'm alarmed about his knee injury. How many other young PGs have had a knee concern this early in their career? I would get him back, let him put up some numbers and be very willing to sell on John Wall while I could.
Maybe I am wrong this time, but I haven't been about Gil or Nene. Nothing about John Wall's past leads me to believe he is going to live up to the hype.
I think you overrate certain skills. I remember Gil had struggled after the first game of his 2nd year with us and many people including yourself were calling to trade Gil because Steve Blake was a "true" PG and had played well in the season opener.
You've also made mention of how A.J. Price was a better shooter than Wall and somehow the offense could run more efficiently than Wall because of that aspect. I just think that just seriously undervalues all the positive traits that a unique talent like Wall brings.
I also don't know how we can truly question Wall's PG skills like your so willing to do. What exactly has he had to work with in DC? Who's the best player he's played with? Nene for like 40 minutes total? I think it's asking too much to expect Wall to look like a star and raise the level of teammates considering the situation Ernie has placed him into.
IMO, you've just never liked Wall. You'll suggest dumping him at any and every opportunity no matter what and you'll suggest any deal that pimps your ability to scout (like suggesting trades for a pick to draft McCollum).
if McCollum is so good, why not Wall & McCollum? I have no problem saying I like McCollum too but I think he's much less of a PG than Wall is and these other names like Carter-Williams, your mentioning as possible replacements is plain laughable.