Tomas Satoransky---32nd Overall.

[dckingsfan]

Maybe this also left a bad taste in EG/Ted's collective mouths - hence the selling of the pick this year.

[LyricalRico]

Gotta wonder what Ernie's thought processes were in picking Sato. If he doesn't develop - don't sign him... that part makes sense. But if he does show signs of being a legit player... then what? Was there even a plan - other than let him go to a Euro team that's willing to pay him more than the NBA minimum?

Well, as I recall, at the time the consensus - though never explicitly stated by the front office - was to get a running mate for Vesely. I suppose they thought picking a fellow countryman might help bring out all that untapped potential they just knew was there all the time...

Unfortunately, I agree that this was likely a big part of the motivation. I liked it when there was still hope for Vesely, but now we'll have to see how it plays out.

From what I saw, his deal is for two years. Anybody know if there's a reasonable buyout after the first year? We've got. Miller for this year, and we'd have the LLE back next summer to sign a guy like satoransky to be the new backup.

[Kanyewest]

It is pretty common for a team to not sign their foreign player. The Spurs currently own the rights to 10 unsigned draft picks, six of them going back over the last four years. Of course, the Spurs have also drafted guys like Parker, Ginobli, and Splitter.

[mohammed10]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Luke_Mellow/status/484802885159755776[/tweet]

Looks like Sato's not coming here this year...not like he had a good chance to crack the roster anyways.

[thinker07]

From the wonderful world of twitter -

Lukas Kuba ‏@Luke_Mellow 5m
Tomas Satoransky says in an interview with Czech Basketmag that the Wizards wanted him to play for them next season.

[Severn Hoos]

I'd happily include his rights if it helped to facilitate a trade that we really want to push through (like dumping Webster before that last year kicks in, even at $2.5M).

BUT - I suspect Tomas might have a different opinion of the team if/when they come calling in 2016 asking if he wants to audition for the 3rd guard / backup PG role, alongside KEVIN FREAKING DURANT.

Yeah, at that point, I doubt he'll be as picky in his salary expectations, but will want to get the clock ticking on his NBA tenure along with the chance to compete for a title.

[pcbothwel]

I'd happily include his rights if it helped to facilitate a trade that we really want to push through (like dumping Webster before that last year kicks in, even at $2.5M).

BUT - I suspect Tomas might have a different opinion of the team if/when they come calling in 2016 asking if he wants to audition for the 3rd guard / backup PG role, alongside KEVIN FREAKING DURANT.

Yeah, at that point, I doubt he'll be as picky in his salary expectations, but will want to get the clock ticking on his NBA tenure along with the chance to compete for a title.

Severn, i completely agree and think this is actually the best thing for the Wiz. I think Sato can be a really good 7th man on a contender and he'll be better at 25 than 22.

Also, we have to remember that while the salary cap going up has no effect on how teams compete with each other for Free Agents (because the cap goes up for everybody), it makes the NBA much more competitive with Europe as the MLE climbs from 5.5-6M up to 8M.

[MarcoPolo]

Tomas Satoransky played in 2 games for Czech Republic in the EuroBasket 2015 2nd Qualifying Round.

1st) GEORGIA 73-62 CZECH REPUBLIC (17-12, 19-20, 19-21, 18-9)

38 mins 2pts 1/6 FG 0/3 3PT 5rebs 8as 3TO 1St -12

2nd) CZECH REPUBLIC 89-53 PORTUGAL (27-14, 24-17, 23-11, 15-11)

26 mins 18pts 7/11 FG 2/2 3PT 6rebs 5as 2TO 1St +29

http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce8jInH ... 57967.html

Highlights from 2nd game( Tomas Satoransky #8)
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmQAzdW6wAc[/youtube]

[JWizmentality]

Tomas Satoransky played in 2 games for Czech Republic in the EuroBasket 2015 2nd Qualifying Round.

1st) GEORGIA 73-62 CZECH REPUBLIC (17-12, 19-20, 19-21, 18-9)

38 mins 2pts 1/6 FG 0/3 3PT 5rebs 8as 3TO 1St -12

2nd) CZECH REPUBLIC 89-53 PORTUGAL (27-14, 24-17, 23-11, 15-11)

26 mins 18pts 7/11 FG 2/2 3PT 6rebs 5as 2TO 1St +29

http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce8jInH ... 57967.html

Highlights from 2nd game( Tomas Satoransky #8)
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmQAzdW6wAc[/youtube]

We don't care

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Georgia is a good opponent and Portugal is not good. Thus Tomas did poorly and then later played well.

[closg00]

Well, you can point to a good game or streak for any player (other than Wiz backup PG's this season), but overall, people are dreamin if they think Draymond has played well. He's basically a Moute in training. He's improved from a terrible offensive player to just a bad one.

Agreed, just because a guy has one good game or a handful of good games throughout the year (see Kevin Seraphin) doesn't mean he's a useful or passable NBA player.

I don't get your point, dat, that's not how to describe Green. See his *season* numbers above.

Draymond Green plays 20 minutes a night and is an above average PF for a guy who subs and plays that many minutes. So, no question he's a useful NBA player. And, he's on a round2 rookie contract. So he's also a bargain. Picking guys like Green (rather than trading or wasting high round 2 picks) contributes *a lot* to building a long-term successful franchise.

He's also *a lot* more productive than Kevin Seraphin.

Vindication on Green, we called-it. Green is starting for GSW. See page 22.
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... ing-Lineup

[dckingsfan]

I think Satoransky was well served playing overseas... I think he wouldn't have played at all in the NBA his first 2 seasons - and probably not last year as well (on the Wizards). This year he is playing in the best Euro league and doing pretty well. Nikola Mirotic has shown that you can play meaningful minutes in the NBA coming over from that league (I would guess that would be the same with Sat).

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Season      TRB%   AST%    TOV%    STL%   PPS    ORtg    DRtg    PER
2011-2012   8.01   13.85   22.00   1.71   1.19    98.0   106.9    9.29
2012-2013   7.73   28.97   23.56   2.28   1.25   101.8   112.1   15.27
2013-2014   7.53   28.72   18.86   2.75   1.25   110.5   107.0   16.61
2014-2015   9.65   41.59   10.48   2.78   1.29   125.1    88.0   18.86


[LyricalRico]

I think Satoransky was well served playing overseas... I think he wouldn't have played at all in the NBA his first 2 seasons - and probably not last year as well (on the Wizards). This year he is playing in the best Euro league and doing pretty well. Nikola Mirotic has shown that you can play meaningful minutes in the NBA coming over from that league (I would guess that would be the same with Sat).

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Season      TRB%   AST%    TOV%    STL%   PPS    ORtg    DRtg    PER
2011-2012   8.01   13.85   22.00   1.71   1.19    98.0   106.9    9.29
2012-2013   7.73   28.97   23.56   2.28   1.25   101.8   112.1   15.27
2013-2014   7.53   28.72   18.86   2.75   1.25   110.5   107.0   16.61
2014-2015   9.65   41.59   10.48   2.78   1.29   125.1    88.0   18.86


Nice, thanks for posting. I'm still betting he proves useful longterm, either as Wall's future backup or as value in a deal.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

I think Satoransky was well served playing overseas... I think he wouldn't have played at all in the NBA his first 2 seasons - and probably not last year as well (on the Wizards). This year he is playing in the best Euro league and doing pretty well. Nikola Mirotic has shown that you can play meaningful minutes in the NBA coming over from that league (I would guess that would be the same with Sat).

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Season      TRB%   AST%    TOV%    STL%   PPS    ORtg    DRtg    PER
2011-2012   8.01   13.85   22.00   1.71   1.19    98.0   106.9    9.29
2012-2013   7.73   28.97   23.56   2.28   1.25   101.8   112.1   15.27
2013-2014   7.53   28.72   18.86   2.75   1.25   110.5   107.0   16.61
2014-2015   9.65   41.59   10.48   2.78   1.29   125.1    88.0   18.86


Nice, thanks for posting. I'm still betting he proves useful longterm, either as Wall's future backup or as value in a deal.

Man. I'm definitely getting old. Other than PER, which I kind of understanding, all those categories are pretty much Greek to me. Anyone (Kevin perhaps) care to share an advanced metric tutorial with those of us in the dark?

[montestewart]

I think Satoransky was well served playing overseas... I think he wouldn't have played at all in the NBA his first 2 seasons - and probably not last year as well (on the Wizards). This year he is playing in the best Euro league and doing pretty well. Nikola Mirotic has shown that you can play meaningful minutes in the NBA coming over from that league (I would guess that would be the same with Sat).

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Season      TRB%   AST%    TOV%    STL%   PPS    ORtg    DRtg    PER
2011-2012   8.01   13.85   22.00   1.71   1.19    98.0   106.9    9.29
2012-2013   7.73   28.97   23.56   2.28   1.25   101.8   112.1   15.27
2013-2014   7.53   28.72   18.86   2.75   1.25   110.5   107.0   16.61
2014-2015   9.65   41.59   10.48   2.78   1.29   125.1    88.0   18.86


Nice, thanks for posting. I'm still betting he proves useful longterm, either as Wall's future backup or as value in a deal.

Man. I'm definitely getting old. Other than PER, which I kind of understanding, all those categories are pretty much Greek to me. Anyone (Kevin perhaps) care to share an advanced metric tutorial with those of us in the dark?

A good place to start is the Basketball Reference glossary page, which defines all these terms and includes links to other sources. Nivek, nate33, and a bunch of others can greatly expand on that. I'm pretty level one myself.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/glossary.html

[doclinkin]

I think Satoransky was well served playing overseas... I think he wouldn't have played at all in the NBA his first 2 seasons - and probably not last year as well (on the Wizards). This year he is playing in the best Euro league and doing pretty well. Nikola Mirotic has shown that you can play meaningful minutes in the NBA coming over from that league (I would guess that would be the same with Sat).

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Season      TRB%   AST%    TOV%    STL%   PPS    ORtg    DRtg    PER
2011-2012   8.01   13.85   22.00   1.71   1.19    98.0   106.9    9.29
2012-2013   7.73   28.97   23.56   2.28   1.25   101.8   112.1   15.27
2013-2014   7.53   28.72   18.86   2.75   1.25   110.5   107.0   16.61
2014-2015   9.65   41.59   10.48   2.78   1.29   125.1    88.0   18.86


Nice, thanks for posting. I'm still betting he proves useful longterm, either as Wall's future backup or as value in a deal.

Man. I'm definitely getting old. Other than PER, which I kind of understanding, all those categories are pretty much Greek to me. Anyone (Kevin perhaps) care to share an advanced metric tutorial with those of us in the dark?

Off the cuff understanding:

Total rebound % -- is the percentage of total rebounds he pulls when he is on the floor.
Assist % -- ditto for assists, percentage of team buckets he assists on when he's on the floor
Turnover % -- likewise for offensive turnovers, so the trend of decreasing % is good
Steal % -- percent of possessions where he picks a pocket
Points per shot -- if I recall it corrects for 2pt and 3pt shots but not FT's
Offensive rating: per 100 possessions what he would score
Defensive rating: what the opponent would score per 100 possessions with him on the floor

[Nivek]

doc's definitions are pretty good, except...

turnover % is an estimate of a players individual turnovers per individual plays. I use a different turnover % formulation, which is individual turnovers as a percentage of individual possessions.

Offensive rating for individual players is points produced per 100 individual possessions. It's a Dean Oliver formulation, and it's a good efficiency measure. It includes points scored, offensive rebounding, assists and turnovers. At the team level, it's simply points per 100 possessions.

Defensive rating at the team level is points allowed per 100 possessions. At the team level, defensive rating is the definitive measure of defensive effectiveness. At the individual level, it's a product of an estimate of defensive stops and an estimate of defensive "usage", as well as the team's defensive rating, and...it's not worth much because hand tracking showed that the estimates weren't good for either stops or defensive usage -- especially for guys who don't get many defensive rebounds, steals or blocks.

[AFM]

What's with the huge drop in DRTG?

[Nivek]

What's with the huge drop in DRTG?

They're still in Small Sample Size Theater as well. Plus, individual drtg is a bad stat. A good defensive rating doesn't necessarily mean a guy is a good defender, nor does a bad defensive rating mean a player is a bad defender. It's just not a good stat when it's generated by using box score numbers to estimate stops and defensive "usage." With hand tracked data, the results are good, but no one has that data because it's labor intensive to gather it.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I still have to come up to speed on Basketball Reference's new stats. VORP and other stats I have not looked at much. BR is also using what 82 Games uses, per 100 possession stats.

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