Nene - Disgruntled...trade coming?

[TGW]

Should have kept Dray and Mason?

Crawford is not the problem on this team?

Damn, I didn't know Heisenberg was selling meth to certain Wizards fans, too.

[Ed Wood]

Well hey everyone, what's going on in this thread then?

[TGW]

Well hey everyone, what's going on in this thread then?

Really, there's nothing to see here. Nothing at all.

[FAH1223]

FAH1223 = insecure loser

Hey Ernie,



Hope you get fired soon

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

Hands11 = Ernie Grunfeld

Frightening how anyone can defend this **** 3-22 team at any level.

What is frightening is how you could come to that conclusion.

I wasn't defending a 3-22 team. I was pointing out the ignorance of making Crawford the biggest problem they have.

FAH1223 = insecure loser

Not sure anyone cited Crawford as the biggest problem the Wizards have, at least not up to the point where you decided to respond. Jordan Crawford along with other players cause the team to look as if they are playing under no offensive system. Beal contributes to that at times, so can Seraphin at times. Wittman is responsible for correcting that but it's been ongoing, though they looked a lot better last night against Cleveland at home.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

Sam Amico: Wizards coach Randy Wittman: "We've got too many guys worried just about shooting the basketball and not about the other parts of the game."

My point exactly, so stop talking about it and find a way to curb that already.

[hands11]

FAH1223 = insecure loser

I don't start it but I have no problem finishing it. I thought we established that already

Those that shoot should expect to get shot.

For me, I would prefer to keep the topic on the Wizards and not have this personal attack stuff. After all, we are all suffering through this crap. That is bad enough as it is. We are all we have to get through this.

[montestewart]

Those that shoot should expect to get shot.

Just keep it out of the locker room.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Wittman doesn't rein in Crawford because he is the only one that can hit a shot. Again, even if we had Phil Jackson or Pat Riley coaching this team, the Wizards would still suck. Most of the 3 point and 2 point shots we are getting are open. We just don't have the players to make them.

Criticizing Wittman just takes the attention off of the real problem...Grunfeld.

After re-reading, if the Wizards had Phil Jackson as coach he would probably have the clout to get Ted to fire Ernie. Things would get better one way or another in a hurry.

dandridge, I do agree not even Phil Jackson could stop this team from sucking. I've never seen him have to get the best out of a player like Vesely, either. Phil Jackson primarily managed the egos of stars and superstars to enable them into forming super teams that won titles.

I feel sorry for Wittman because he's had the worst talent at every coaching stop.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Those that shoot should expect to get shot.

Just keep it out of the locker room.

And whatever you do, don't sign a free agent named Javaris Crittenton. He is liable to shoot anybody, even an innocent mother of several small kids.

[montestewart]

Wittman doesn't rein in Crawford because he is the only one that can hit a shot. Again, even if we had Phil Jackson or Pat Riley coaching this team, the Wizards would still suck. Most of the 3 point and 2 point shots we are getting are open. We just don't have the players to make them.

Criticizing Wittman just takes the attention off of the real problem...Grunfeld.

After re-reading, if the Wizards had Phil Jackson as coach he would probably have the clout to get Ted to fire Ernie. Things would get better one way or another in a hurry.

dandridge, I do agree not even Phil Jackson could stop this team from sucking. I've never seen him have to get the best out of a player like Vesely, either. Phil Jackson primarily managed the egos of stars and superstars to enable them into forming super teams that won titles.

I feel sorry for Wittman because he's had the worst talent at every coaching stop.

And then I'm seeing this:

Jackson is reportedly interested in a management position similar to that of Pat Riley's in Miami, where he could shape the front office and roster.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... n_Nets_Job

Leonsis should offer him some ridiculous amount. It would create instant credibility, and Jackson could enhance himself in comparisons with Auerbach (and everyone else). Got to be better than running in place.

[mohammed10]

Those that shoot should expect to get shot.

Just keep it out of the locker room.

* paging Mr. Arenas, Mr. Gilbert Arenas... *

[mohammed10]

Wittman doesn't rein in Crawford because he is the only one that can hit a shot. Again, even if we had Phil Jackson or Pat Riley coaching this team, the Wizards would still suck. Most of the 3 point and 2 point shots we are getting are open. We just don't have the players to make them.

Criticizing Wittman just takes the attention off of the real problem...Grunfeld.

After re-reading, if the Wizards had Phil Jackson as coach he would probably have the clout to get Ted to fire Ernie. Things would get better one way or another in a hurry.

dandridge, I do agree not even Phil Jackson could stop this team from sucking. I've never seen him have to get the best out of a player like Vesely, either. Phil Jackson primarily managed the egos of stars and superstars to enable them into forming super teams that won titles.

I feel sorry for Wittman because he's had the worst talent at every coaching stop.

And then I'm seeing this:

Jackson is reportedly interested in a management position similar to that of Pat Riley's in Miami, where he could shape the front office and roster.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... n_Nets_Job

Leonsis should offer him some ridiculous amount. It would create instant credibility, and Jackson could enhance himself in comparisons with Auerbach (and everyone else). Got to be better than running in place.

* lights the spliff *

I'll have what he's having...

[hands11]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wi ... story.html

Seraphin and Nene share a bond as deep as their South American roots. But after the Wizards lost their eighth straight game on Wednesday — an 87-84 defeat against the Cleveland Cavaliers — big brother Nene summoned little brother Seraphin over to his locker-room stall for a discussion that took on a much different tone than the others.

“He was really mad at me,” Seraphin said Thursday, as the Wizards prepared to host the Orlando Magic on Friday night at Verizon Center. “He told me straight up, I’m supposed to be ready for the game. I’m supposed to play good. He said, ‘Maybe if you was playing good, maybe we got more chance to win the game.’ ”

Wittman has urged Seraphin to use his imposing, 6-foot-9, 275-pound frame to attack the opposition inside, rather than only taking floaters and hook shots. Seraphin has attempted just 19 free throws this season and missed his only two attempts in the past six games.

In contrast, Nene has attempted 87 free throws in 14 games — an average of 6.2 per game. Seraphin has not attempted more than four free throws in a game this season.

“With a body like that and his quickness and strength,” Wittman said, shaking his head. “I mean, Nene’s played, I think, 400 less minutes and has taken a million more free throws than him.

“Kevin right now is just content with avoiding contact and we’re trying to teach him, especially in a crowd, to pump fake, pump fake, and get a guy in the air and try to score. If not, you get two free throws.”

Seraphin also has taken the words from his mentor, Nene, to heart.

“He told me how he feel and I just respect that. If you want to be better, you have to listen to the veterans,” Seraphin said. “Me and Nene are the same type of player, so right now, he know what he’s talking about, he’s been 11 years in the league and I just try to listen to him. Keep telling him, ‘I will. I heard you.’ ”

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Glad to see Nene speaking up to Kevin. This is what I expect from him. That's leading. Glad to hear Randy echoing the same thing and glad to hear Kevin hearing it.

Now go out there and do it. I wrote at the beginning of the season that the player to watch this year was Kevin. If he could become the player he is capable of becoming, that would be HUGE. You can see the effect Nene has on the team when he is on the court. If Kevin can start to become more of a power player in the post, that will have a huge impact. Nene and Okafor have only started two games together and if last game was any indication, that could be a powerful front court. I can see those two playing well together. If you can add Kevin as the third post threat so that Ves can be the energy glue player, we might just have the post worked out. I would still consider drafting a center because you need to start retooling down there so you have what you need 2-3 years from now.

Then you have Wall and Crawford bringing it from the guard position with Mack and Temple filling in. That could work pretty well also. Webster and Trevor A should be able to hold down SF. They still need an AS there but for now that would do. What they are missing is some pure shooting. Need a Kolver type. Beal isn't ready and Martin is to streaky.

When they get healthy, they can still play near .500% ball like many of us thought they could. But to do so, they need Kevin to turn it on and go into full on Beast Mode. They also need to trade one or both of Singleton and Booker and add a 3 pt shooter.

[pancakes3]

Those that shoot should expect to get shot.

Just keep it out of the locker room.

and out of my shoes.

[LyricalRico]

^ Actually, let's keep it out of this thread.

Back to the topic...is Nene going to ask for a trade? I think he will, and it's too bad because he's the inside presence we've needed for such a long time.

[hands11]

^ Actually, let's keep it out of this thread.

Back to the topic...is Nene going to ask for a trade? I think he will, and it's too bad because he's the inside presence we've needed for such a long time.

It could go either way.

If they don't go the course of trying to win .. i.e. deep playoff run .. while they have Nene, then I would ask for a trade and that would likely prolong their opportunity to win. They may even lose Wall going that route. Good talent isn't going to side by while you spin your wheels. They want to win.

If they see they have an opportunity to win now, Nene stays. If they see this as an opportunity with Wall and Nene then they would have to change course from Ted longer term build via the draft model to reload via the draft. This would mean adding another stud piece now and not starting rookie(s) they draft. I would even consider trading the pick for the right piece because time if running out for Nene. Again, most draft pieces take 3 years to develop into a starter on a playoff team. Joe Gibb was notorious from trading picks for more proven mature pieces.

Which way they go I think gets evaluated once Wall returns. They should have Trevor A back soon. If Nene can keep his foot well enough that he can start playing 30 minutes a game and he and Okafor end up being a good combo in the post, they could start to establish something. Specially if Kevin can focus in on becoming more of a power player. Then you add Wall mid to late January and you start to see what you could have had if everyone was ready to go at the start of the year. If it looks like the roster has potential, then add a stud SG and or SF and go for it. Move Beal to the bench for a year or even consider trading him. You can always reload as you go with lower first round picks. Consider trading Singleton and or Booker or even Crawford if you can get the right SG in return.

I just think that while you have Nene and Wall, you should try to win. Players like Nene aren't that easy to come by and at 13M he really isn't that expensive. If things work out, I wouldn't mind keeping Trevor A and Okafor longer term for fair value contracts as you grow or find their replacements. Trevor A for 4M wouldn't suck. Okafor for maybe 5M. If they can do that after their contracts are over, they should consider it. This team needs some vets even if they are role playing vets.

This team needs to start winning to get the stink off of them. Endless tanking in no way to build a team. Winning will attack better everything. Front office and players.

[JoseChinga]

I like Washington's team and wished injuries didn't plague them.

Wall has been disregarded and people are itching to call him a bust (normally fools on the General Board), but I'm a Knicks and I think Wall has Gary Payton type potential...I hope to see him come back as a defense phenom, physically has all the tools to be a defensive specialist.

With Okafor and Nene in the inside you have two veterans who know how to play, not all stars but can really give you consistency and good awareness. Ariza's comeback would be big for Washington since they need an intangibles guy.

The rest relies on Beal, is he capable of giving the team 20 points a night? Nene can score the ball well, but never been a high frequency scorer. Wizards need that go to scorer, don't think you want Jordan Crawford leading the offense.

Wizard fans, let me know who do you see as the guy to be the primary scorer for Washington, a legit 20-23 ppg guy, because in today's NBA that what it takes to get a winning team going unless you're deep like the Spurs.

[LyricalRico]

Wizard fans, let me know who do you see as the guy to be the primary scorer for Washington, a legit 20-23 ppg guy, because in today's NBA that what it takes to get a winning team going unless you're deep like the Spurs.

That guy isn't on the roster yet, but check back next June after we draft Shabazz Muhammed.

[dobrojim]

Correct LR insofar as you note we do not have a go to guy.
Good teams are worried about who their 3rd scorer is, we don't even have
a 'first' scorer. Therein lies a huge part of our problem. Thanks Ernie.

EG has constantly over-reacted to the weaknesses of the team as
currently constructed. The Gil/Caron/AJ team was justifiably criticized
for lack of defensive accumen and to a lessor extent, lack of athleticism.
So he started drafted for upside and defense. Now we have a bunch
of 'maybe if player X developed skill A, B or C' along with nobody who can
put the ball in the basket.