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Ruzious wrote:For a midseason pickup that they might actually end up needing in the playoffs, I think it makes sense to get a veteran over a D League guy. They can - and have - done worse than Bynum. At 32, he's practically a kid compared to some of EG's acquisitions.
TheSecretWeapon wrote:AFM wrote:TheSecretWeapon wrote:
Veteran. Plus, they got "nos" from Gary Payton and John Stockton.
How has Bynum rated in your stuff? Specifically how much of an upgrade over miller?
I remember last year he always went off on us
Not very well. His career best PPA was a 68, which he did in back-to-back seasons -- 2008-09 and 2009-2010. He followed that up with a 67 in 2010-11. Last season, he posted a 50. So, his career peak is solidly below what Miller has done this season.
In other words, no upgrade at all. Probably not even over Temple at this point. Just a guy.
TheSecretWeapon wrote:AFM wrote:TheSecretWeapon wrote:
Veteran. Plus, they got "nos" from Gary Payton and John Stockton.
How has Bynum rated in your stuff? Specifically how much of an upgrade over miller?
I remember last year he always went off on us
Not very well. His career best PPA was a 68, which he did in back-to-back seasons -- 2008-09 and 2009-2010. He followed that up with a 67 in 2010-11. Last season, he posted a 50. So, his career peak is solidly below what Miller has done this season.
In other words, no upgrade at all. Probably not even over Temple at this point. Just a guy.
AFM wrote:TheSecretWeapon wrote:AFM wrote:How has Bynum rated in your stuff? Specifically how much of an upgrade over miller?
I remember last year he always went off on us
Not very well. His career best PPA was a 68, which he did in back-to-back seasons -- 2008-09 and 2009-2010. He followed that up with a 67 in 2010-11. Last season, he posted a 50. So, his career peak is solidly below what Miller has done this season.
In other words, no upgrade at all. Probably not even over Temple at this point. Just a guy.
Yeesh, thats surprising.
FAH1223 wrote:gambitx777 wrote:Will Bynum....................... WHY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
not Tim Frazier, not David Stockton, not Bryce Cotton, not Seth Curry. . . . . But Will ****ING Bynum..............
Of course not.
This front office doesn't care in developing young players. It's quite obvious.
closg00 wrote:FAH1223 wrote:gambitx777 wrote:Will Bynum....................... WHY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
not Tim Frazier, not David Stockton, not Bryce Cotton, not Seth Curry. . . . . But Will ****ING Bynum..............
Of course not.
This front office doesn't care in developing young players. It's quite obvious.
EG's pattern for running this team is very predictable - look around for "value" vets, it requires the least amount of effort.
TheSecretWeapon wrote:AFM wrote:TheSecretWeapon wrote:
Not very well. His career best PPA was a 68, which he did in back-to-back seasons -- 2008-09 and 2009-2010. He followed that up with a 67 in 2010-11. Last season, he posted a 50. So, his career peak is solidly below what Miller has done this season.
In other words, no upgrade at all. Probably not even over Temple at this point. Just a guy.
Yeesh, thats surprising.
Well, not all that surprising. He's a career 28% shooter from 3pt range. His best percentage was last season -- .323. And he's a career .465 2pt shooter. He gets assists at a decent rate, but is a turnover machine. And he fouls a lot for a guard. He never reached average in offensive efficiency, even for a single season. His PER seems to be fattened by the efficiency flaw that rewards players for shooting the ball more often so long as they make ~30%.
Strengths? Pretty good free throw shooter.
nate33 wrote:TheSecretWeapon wrote:AFM wrote:Yeesh, thats surprising.
Well, not all that surprising. He's a career 28% shooter from 3pt range. His best percentage was last season -- .323. And he's a career .465 2pt shooter. He gets assists at a decent rate, but is a turnover machine. And he fouls a lot for a guard. He never reached average in offensive efficiency, even for a single season. His PER seems to be fattened by the efficiency flaw that rewards players for shooting the ball more often so long as they make ~30%.
Strengths? Pretty good free throw shooter.
Bummer. I didn't realize he was such a bad 3-point shooter. I was lukewarm about the idea when I first heard it. Now I'm not.
I'd like a Will Bynum type of player (small, quick, skilled), but preferably someone much better than Bynum himself.
gambitx777 wrote:Will Bynum....................... WHY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
not Tim Frazier, not David Stockton, not Bryce Cotton, not Seth Curry. . . . . But Will ****ING Bynum..............
gambitx777 wrote:If Bynum was worth having, he would be on a NBA team and not 32 years old playing in China. Bring in a young guy, what are you afraid of, 10 day contract give him minutes and see what he's got, if he plays well you sign him for 3 years 900K and at worst you have a guy waiting to be cut for pocket change and at best you have a productive bench player for almost nothing. Not a 32 year old whos going nowhere! We have enough vet's, we now need talent, I don't care about the age, we need talent and Will Bynum is a scrub. his China number look nice by nba standards or D league standards, but in china, his number are barley average. 50% of the guys in China would not be able to make a division 3 college team. The rest are guys who could not even hack in in the D league let alone the NBA and a small percentage of them are NBA cast off's or young prospects waiting for a chance.
Will Bynum putting up average China guard numbers is nothing worth writing home about.
Illmatic12 wrote:gambitx777 wrote:If Bynum was worth having, he would be on a NBA team and not 32 years old playing in China. Bring in a young guy, what are you afraid of, 10 day contract give him minutes and see what he's got, if he plays well you sign him for 3 years 900K and at worst you have a guy waiting to be cut for pocket change and at best you have a productive bench player for almost nothing. Not a 32 year old whos going nowhere! We have enough vet's, we now need talent, I don't care about the age, we need talent and Will Bynum is a scrub. his China number look nice by nba standards or D league standards, but in china, his number are barley average. 50% of the guys in China would not be able to make a division 3 college team. The rest are guys who could not even hack in in the D league let alone the NBA and a small percentage of them are NBA cast off's or young prospects waiting for a chance.
Will Bynum putting up average China guard numbers is nothing worth writing home about.
We have one roster spot left this season, I would much rather pick up a proven guard who will help us in the playoffs than an unproven kid who's going to screw up in big games.
We probably should have kept Clarkson and cut Gooden in training camp but that's not relevant right now. Currently this team needs an established guy like Nate, Farmar, etc. Both of those guys have championship/finals experience.
EG is 'getting warmer' but Bynum is not the guy. Basically someone like him but who can shoot threes is what we need.
hands11 wrote:Illmatic12 wrote:gambitx777 wrote:If Bynum was worth having, he would be on a NBA team and not 32 years old playing in China. Bring in a young guy, what are you afraid of, 10 day contract give him minutes and see what he's got, if he plays well you sign him for 3 years 900K and at worst you have a guy waiting to be cut for pocket change and at best you have a productive bench player for almost nothing. Not a 32 year old whos going nowhere! We have enough vet's, we now need talent, I don't care about the age, we need talent and Will Bynum is a scrub. his China number look nice by nba standards or D league standards, but in china, his number are barley average. 50% of the guys in China would not be able to make a division 3 college team. The rest are guys who could not even hack in in the D league let alone the NBA and a small percentage of them are NBA cast off's or young prospects waiting for a chance.
Will Bynum putting up average China guard numbers is nothing worth writing home about.
We have one roster spot left this season, I would much rather pick up a proven guard who will help us in the playoffs than an unproven kid who's going to screw up in big games.
We probably should have kept Clarkson and cut Gooden in training camp but that's not relevant right now. Currently this team needs an established guy like Nate, Farmar, etc. Both of those guys have championship/finals experience.
EG is 'getting warmer' but Bynum is not the guy. Basically someone like him but who can shoot threes is what we need.
I would rather have older low miles Pablo Prigioni for a 2nd
5 Teams Who Should Trade for New York Knicks' Pablo Prigioni
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2342 ... oni/page/5
They have use 2nd out of 5 teams.
The WIzards have a trade exception it can use to take in Prigioni's salary and has second-round picks to offer, starting in 2016.
Cleveland Cavaliers
Washington Wizards
Detroit Pistons
Miami Heat
Milwaukee Bucks
Though only a year younger than Miller, Prigioni's age hasn't begun to show in his play, taking on significant roles in each of his three NBA years, and his shooting clips have only dipped a bit this season playing with significantly lesser teammates.
t's been two years since Prigioni had the opportunity to appear in the postseason, but in 2013 he was one of the most reliable Knicks over their 11 games. He shot 43 percent from behind the arc, and New York was a whopping 19.9 points per 100 plays better with him on the floor.
Prigioni may be four years older than the second-oldest Knick, but his average on-court speed of 4.5 miles an hour is the fastest on the club, according to SportVU player-tracking technology.
His anticipation, particularly in the backcourt—where he’s made an art of pickpocketing opponents on inbound plays—has led to a team-high 3.4% steal rate this season.
The space created by his screens, and by his passing, help explain how the Knicks, in this train wreck of a season, have managed to score 114 points per 100 plays—a rate that would easily lead the league—when Prigioni and Anthony are on the court together,
Among the 46 duos that have played at least 200 minutes for the Knicks, Prigioni and Anthony’s +7.8 point differential is the highest.
Prigioni would presumably help bring out the best of center Andre Drummond in the pick-and-roll, as he's struggling from the field this year. ...... Well how about PnR with Gortat ?
Adding a player who thrives off the ball. Could play him at SG as well with Wall.
For a team looking to finally find its groove offensively, adding a player with Prigioni's intangibles—vision, ball-moving, screen setting—would be worth the minimal cost.
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Illmatic12 wrote:hands11 wrote:Illmatic12 wrote:We have one roster spot left this season, I would much rather pick up a proven guard who will help us in the playoffs than an unproven kid who's going to screw up in big games.
We probably should have kept Clarkson and cut Gooden in training camp but that's not relevant right now. Currently this team needs an established guy like Nate, Farmar, etc. Both of those guys have championship/finals experience.
EG is 'getting warmer' but Bynum is not the guy. Basically someone like him but who can shoot threes is what we need.
I would rather have older low miles Pablo Prigioni for a 2nd
5 Teams Who Should Trade for New York Knicks' Pablo Prigioni
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2342 ... oni/page/5
They have use 2nd out of 5 teams.
The WIzards have a trade exception it can use to take in Prigioni's salary and has second-round picks to offer, starting in 2016.
Cleveland Cavaliers
Washington Wizards
Detroit Pistons
Miami Heat
Milwaukee Bucks
Though only a year younger than Miller, Prigioni's age hasn't begun to show in his play, taking on significant roles in each of his three NBA years, and his shooting clips have only dipped a bit this season playing with significantly lesser teammates.
t's been two years since Prigioni had the opportunity to appear in the postseason, but in 2013 he was one of the most reliable Knicks over their 11 games. He shot 43 percent from behind the arc, and New York was a whopping 19.9 points per 100 plays better with him on the floor.
Prigioni may be four years older than the second-oldest Knick, but his average on-court speed of 4.5 miles an hour is the fastest on the club, according to SportVU player-tracking technology.
His anticipation, particularly in the backcourt—where he’s made an art of pickpocketing opponents on inbound plays—has led to a team-high 3.4% steal rate this season.
The space created by his screens, and by his passing, help explain how the Knicks, in this train wreck of a season, have managed to score 114 points per 100 plays—a rate that would easily lead the league—when Prigioni and Anthony are on the court together,
Among the 46 duos that have played at least 200 minutes for the Knicks, Prigioni and Anthony’s +7.8 point differential is the highest.
Prigioni would presumably help bring out the best of center Andre Drummond in the pick-and-roll, as he's struggling from the field this year. ...... Well how about PnR with Gortat ?
Adding a player who thrives off the ball. Could play him at SG as well with Wall.
For a team looking to finally find its groove offensively, adding a player with Prigioni's intangibles—vision, ball-moving, screen setting—would be worth the minimal cost.
Prigioni is too slow, better than Miller but he's another slow methodical guy who doesn't push the pace.
Mo Williams, Nate, Jameer Nelson, Farmar - simple. Any quick combo guard who can shoot threes
80sballboy wrote:Well Bynum has his flaws. at least he still has jets. We have nobody to push the ball when Wall sits and Bynum would at least fit that role. This is all mere speculation but the good news is that at least the front office realizes that the 2nd unit is not getting it done and Miller is the main problem. And it's not that Andre is a terrible player. He's just too slow for our pace.
