Ernie botched another pick didn't he

dckingsfan · Post #181 » by **dckingsfan** » Sun Mar 22, 2015 3:15 pm

Just say no to Chlamydia :rofl2:

closg00 · Post #182 » by **closg00** » Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:17 am

Noel with another double-double tonight

#FireErnie ~ Because he believed Stephen Curry couldn't help us and Jan Vesely could.

Dark Faze · Post #183 » by **Dark Faze** » Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:39 am

Noel

14, 15, 2, 4, 4

And stat lines like that are becoming pretty normal for him.

:banghead:

Dark Faze · Post #184 » by **Dark Faze** » Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:54 am

Noel averaging 13 points, 11 rebounds, and 5 blocks+steals per game in March.

tontoz · Post #185 » by **tontoz** » Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:25 pm

When Noel fell on draft night i was sure that there must have been long term medical issues that we didn't know about. If it is true that they were just worried about him missing a year that is soooo EG.

How can Ted not see that this guy is an incompetent turd?

GhostsOfGil · Post #186 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:35 pm

https://youtu.be/3aOK9xUkAMg

Noel with 30 points on 17 shots and 14 rebounds.

Induveca · Post #187 » by **Induveca** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:24 pm

GhostsOfGil wrote:https://youtu.be/3aOK9xUkAMg

Noel with 30 points on 17 shots and 14 rebounds.

Ouch.

Post #188 » by **Ruzious** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:43 pm

Induveca wrote:
GhostsOfGil wrote:https://youtu.be/3aOK9xUkAMg

Noel with 30 points on 17 shots and 14 rebounds.

Ouch.

It definitely stings, though to be fair, the opposing center (DeAndre Jordan) played 12 fewer minutes and had 20 rebounds and 17 points despite missing 12 of 17 FT's - and Jordan had no to's compared to Noel's 4.

Post #189 » by **miller31time** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:27 pm

GhostsOfGil wrote:https://youtu.be/3aOK9xUkAMg

Noel with 30 points on 17 shots and 14 rebounds.

And yet, I guarantee that if Ted asked Ernie about his decision, he'd come up with so many excuses, your head would spin.

Ernie Grunfeld - the man who's only discernible skill is his ability to keep a job.

closg00 · Post #190 » by **closg00** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:03 pm

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCWi5msP_ZY[/youtube]

Just swap Porter for Noel, our playoff outlook and future would look so different. Grunfelded.

Post #191 » by **montestewart** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:47 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Induveca wrote:
GhostsOfGil wrote:https://youtu.be/3aOK9xUkAMg

Noel with 30 points on 17 shots and 14 rebounds.

Ouch.

It definitely stings, though to be fair, the opposing center (DeAndre Jordan) played 12 fewer minutes and had 20 rebounds and 17 points despite missing 12 of 17 FT's - and Jordan had no to's compared to Noel's 4.

To be fair, Jordan is a 7th year player who was held below his three-years-running league leading FG%, is also the league's top rebounder the last two years, a fair defender, and outweighs rookie Noel by about a million pounds.

Lacking the smoking gun of a circulated report indicating Noel's long-term health was very much in doubt pre-draft, it easily seems plausible that EG and his all-on-the-same-pagers believed Porter was the better short term risk of immediate (if small) gain. It's hard for me to separate out the idea that EG hoped Porter would last year immediately contribute to the franchise's great leap forward to mediocrity, saving face for Ted and job for EG. They got there anyway, without any significant positive contribution from Porter, and now it seems pretty clear that Porter was the wrong choice, especially in that they didn't have a slot/role for him and they had greater long-term needs up front, in a draft that was pretty deep in big men.

Oh the EGnity!

Post #192 » by **miller31time** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:54 pm

I just think its funny how something can happen (Noel dropping from the consensus #1 pick to our spot) and pretty much everyone has one reaction (I can't believe he fell to us! Take him!) while Ernie has the opposite reaction.

It's really hard to justify.

Illmatic12 · Post #193 » by **Illmatic12** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:04 pm

closg00 wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCWi5msP_ZY[/youtube]

Just swap Porter for Noel, our playoff outlook and future would look so different. Grunfelded.

Noel is an elite athlete with great defensive instincts, but he's basically nonplayable as a halfcourt big or floor spacer. Not the type of big that would have changed our team's outlook. Think about it, who would he play over on this team, and at what position?

What we need desperately is a stretch 4, something we saw last night when Gooden was hitting shots (props to him on the great game). Wall has superstar talent, and we need to put shooters and floor spacers around him to maximize his abilities.

Tbh if Porter, who is a young multitool player being buried on the bench by a coach who is scared for his job, was actually developed into our starting SF he would be a great asset for us.

TGW · Post #194 » by **TGW** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:13 pm

Noel is basically a rookie, Illmatic. Bosh couldn't shoot when he first got in the NBA, and now he has 3 point range. It's not inconceivable that the kid develops into a half decent mid-range—or even 3 point—shooter.

What I can say for sure is that I would definitely rather have him than Porter. It was a bad draft pick YET AGAIN.

Post #195 » by **nate33** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:27 pm

Illmatic12 wrote:
closg00 wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCWi5msP_ZY[/youtube]

Just swap Porter for Noel, our playoff outlook and future would look so different. Grunfelded.

Noel is an elite athlete with great defensive instincts, but he's basically nonplayable as a halfcourt big or floor spacer. Not the type of big that would have changed our team's outlook. Think about it, who would he play over on this team, and at what position?

What we need desperately is a stretch 4, something we saw last night when Gooden was hitting shots (props to him on the great game). Wall has superstar talent, and we need to put shooters and floor spacers around him to maximize his abilities.

You can manage with one unplayable offensive player if he plays the center position. And I think it's fairly likely that Noel will eventually become a good pick-and-roll player in the Tyson Chandler/Brandon Wright mold. He has the necessary hands and coordination.

Noel would have been the backup to Gortat for 20 minutes a game as he matures physically. At some point down the road, we would trade Gortat for a stretch big. The dream scenario would be to trade Gortat for Kevin Love. How awesome would it have been to have Love at PF, with Ariza, Noel and Wall on the court to make up for Love's poor help defense?

Kanyewest · Post #196 » by **Kanyewest** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:38 pm

Philly must be really bad if Noel drops 30 and they lose by close to 30.

Post #197 » by **montestewart** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:45 pm

Illmatic12 wrote:
closg00 wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCWi5msP_ZY[/youtube]

Just swap Porter for Noel, our playoff outlook and future would look so different. Grunfelded.

Noel is an elite athlete with great defensive instincts, but he's basically nonplayable as a halfcourt big or floor spacer. Not the type of big that would have changed our team's outlook. Think about it, who would he play over on this team, and at what position?

What we need desperately is a stretch 4, something we saw last night when Gooden was hitting shots (props to him on the great game). Wall has superstar talent, and we need to put shooters and floor spacers around him to maximize his abilities.

Tbh if Porter, who is a young multitool player being buried on the bench by a coach who is scared for his job, was actually developed into our starting SF he would be a great asset for us.

This post gets right to the Wizards' problem.

The GM who drafted Porter keeps a two-deep rotation in front of him, and the coach the GM hired won't play Porter.

Who cares who Noel would play over in half court sets as a rookie? Apparently, EG, who wants to make sure he gets maximum value right away (which he, incidentally, failed to do) in his mad rush back to the middle of the pack. Gortat, Nene, and Humphries are not the team's future and they clearly aren't enough in the present to get the Wizards to the next level. If nothing else, Noel would have been a better trade chip. The 2013 draft, certainly not an epic EG failure like the 2011 draft was, but apparently another blown opportunity.

I don't believe for a second that the problem with getting the right talent, the right kind of team around Wall, is the availability of talent and the dearth of assets with which to acquire the talent. You can have high volume, high efficiency 3 point shooters, proper floor spacing, stretch bigs, a talented 3rd guard, young talent developing up front, and a progressive coach who understands today's NBA game. Or you can have EG. But you can't have both.

Post #198 » by **montestewart** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:06 pm

Kanyewest wrote:Philly must be really bad if Noel drops 30 and they lose by close to 30.

Didn't see the game, but from the +/-, it looks like Clippers starters got that margin more against Sixers bench players.

Kanyewest · Post #199 » by **Kanyewest** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:16 pm

montestewart wrote:
Kanyewest wrote:Philly must be really bad if Noel drops 30 and they lose by close to 30.

Didn't see the game, but from the +/-, it looks like Clippers starters got that margin more against Sixers bench players.

True. Also in the highlights, the Clippers had Hedo Turkoglu guarding Noel. The Clippers strategy appeared to be to let Noel while spreading the floor.

Post #200 » by **montestewart** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:23 pm

Kanyewest wrote:
montestewart wrote:
Kanyewest wrote:Philly must be really bad if Noel drops 30 and they lose by close to 30.

Didn't see the game, but from the +/-, it looks like Clippers starters got that margin more against Sixers bench players.

True. Also in the highlights, the Clippers had Hedo Turkoglu guarding Noel. The Clippers strategy appeared to be to let Noel while spreading the floor.

He's got limitations, but he's young, and similarly limited big men have developed serviceable offensive games. I don't think the Sixers hope to be serious contenders for a few years, and someone with Noel's skills will have trade value even if he doesn't end up in their long-term picture. It would be interesting to see how he'd do in a more solid roster.