Dat2U wrote:Illmatic12 wrote:stevemcqueen1 wrote:
He isn't even remotely a worthy replacement. Flipping Porter for Chandler and Nurkic would be a disastrously bad trade.
Chandler is quite a good player.
He doesn't shoot it like Otto but he's equal or better at everything else. One of the best rebounding wings in the league, high IQ cutter, great in transition, nice heads up passer.
And with his strength/athleticism he's better at defending 3/4s than Otto is. If we were getting him AND Nurkic to round out our core with a young defensive big man, I would be pretty satisfied. I'm of the opinion that people are underrating the need on this team for defensive players.
If we could exchange offense (Porter) for two starters who can defend + contribute offensively I consider that a win.Not saying we have to trade Otto, we can keep him and roll with an offense-based team. But I challenge anyone to explain to me how the core of this team will ever be in the top-half of the league defensively, if Otto is our best defender at the 3-5 positions.
You keep making it about Otto, just like most of Bulletsforever. As if Otto is the problem and paying him, not the $120+ million we blew this past offseason or all the draft picks we wasted, will doom us mediocrity.
Denver is -3.5 points per 100 possessions worse defensively with Chandler on the floor. The Wizards are +4.1 points per 100 possessions better defensively when Porter is on the floor. Otto ranks 11th among SFs in DRPM. Wilson Chandler is 73rd out of 80 SFs at DRPM. Your reasoning that somehow Chandler is a better defender seems incorrect. But you've been consistently wrong concerning Otto as he's proven you and many others wrong at every turn so this is nothing new.
Denver is a whopping -11.2 points per 100 possessions worse offensively with Nurkic on the floor. So maybe he isn't necessarily contributing offensively. He ranks 61 out of 69 Cs at ORPM.
Trading Otto in any scenario likely makes us worse. His efficiency as a wing is unmatched with the possible exception of Kevin Durant. He's proven to be an elite NBA shooter. You say Chandler is a high IQ cutter but there's no mention of Otto's exceptional IQ and timing on his cuts. You mention Chandler is great in transition. Otto has proven to be elite finishing in transition but there's no acknowledgement of that. Chandler is a marginally better rebounder. Otto has him beat in nearly every other statistical measure.
Nurkic may be talented but he isn't very effective. Nurkic is a downgrade to Gortat and potentially even Mahinmi as a starting center at this point.
This is not a good trade.
How am I making it about Otto? The discussion involves Otto because it just so happens that his impending contract extension will be the last shoe to drop. Porter is the player who's salary is about to quadruple in 6 months, and will take this team over the luxury tax for the next 4 years. Otto isn't a problem, he is a great kid .. this is a big picture topic about the future of the franchise and you're missing the forest for the trees by trying to make it a personal issue.
Of course trading Otto right now will make us worse for this season. He has better chemistry with the team than anybody we'd be bringing in. But in the long run, shouldn't someone be asking how this team is going to move forward with three max contract perimeter players (with only one of them at the All-NBA/perennial All-Star caliber) and an aging, declining frontcourt, and awful bench?
Will Nurkic still be a downgrade to Gortat in two years? Will he even be a downgrade by next year? How exactly do you envision the Wizards acquiring longterm frontcourt starters after Otto's contract takes them over the luxury tax? And keep in mind that frankly, Washington has a timeline of appproximately two years to figure out this team-build unless Wall signs an early extension ahead of time. So hoping to suddenly find the next Embiid with our 2017 draft pick isn't the answer. You're missing the big picture of why Wiz fans have been suggesting these kinds of trades.
As far as Chandler's defense, I generally form my opinions on a player from a combination of watching games + comparing stats+ listening to the opinions of people who watch said player more often than I do (Locked on Nuggets Podcast with Adam Mares is great, as well as his twitter feed). The impression I've gotten is that Chandler has solid defensively ability at the 3/4 - though a little overpowered against bigger 4s- but is generally playing in a terrible system with awful guard defenders and weird rotations like playing Faried at center. Denver is designed to run up and down and score points. Obviously you can take it or leave it, it's an opinion.. but personally I highly doubt Otto would be putting up positive defensive numbers if he was playing on that Nuggets team.
