Tracking Former Wizards 3.0

Post #886 » by **nate33** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:29 pm

hands11 wrote:
nate33 wrote:If they had kept Dray, the team would have had just $5M in cap room (after dumping Lewis). Keeping Dray would not have affected the Okariza/Lewis trade because that was a trade, not a free agency acquisition.

Indeed, I would have understood the Okariza trade much more if they had kept Blatche. The premise would be that Ariza and Okafor were better than what the Wizards could otherwise acquire by dumping Lewis and shopping for free agents with just $5M in cap room. The effed up thing is that EG amnestied Blatche AFTER the Okariza trade. After the Okariza trade, we had no available cap room regardless of whether we amnestied Blatche or not.

If he amnestied Blatche first, he would then have the option of buying out Lewis and freeing up $12M in cap room. And $12M in free agency would surely have gotten us more talent than Okafor plus Ariza.

So they could have Dray and the Trevor A and Okafor deal and still had 5M or they would have been capped out ?

Once the Okariza deal took place, their cap figure jumped from Lewis' $14M buyout to Okariza's combined $21M price. They would have therefore been capped out. However they still would have had the MLE (which happens to be $5M). That would have been enough for Webster and Price. Basically, amnestying Blatche did absolutely NOTHING for their cap flexibility. Nothing at all.

EG managed to make the worst possible combination of decisions in the worst possible order. Amnesty Blatche first and he could have had $12M in cap room. The alternative would have been to keep Blatche at the same out-of-pocket cost to Ted and with the exact same cap flexibility. Instead, EG went with Door Number Three and traded for Okariza and then amnestying Blatche. He lost both the cap room and Blatche's production, without saving Ted a dime in out-of-pocket expenses.

I can say without even a whiff of hyperbole that EG couldn't have squandered his resources any more if he tried. He gave away Blatche and a pick just to acquire Okafor and Ariza, who cost more and are less productive than any number of players he could have obtained in free agency. I just can't fathom that Ted let him keep his job after this.

Nivek · Post #887 » by **Nivek** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:08 pm

penbeast0 wrote:What does a team composed of all the ex-Wizards in the league look like this year?

McGee/Blatche/Gee/Rip/?

Bench: N.Young/Jamison/C.Butler . . .

This sounds like a job for PPA (my PER-like stat rating system). Below is the lineup, along with their rating (100 = average, higher is better):

PG - Foye -- 79
SG - Stackhouse -- 106
SF - Mike Miller -- 103
PF - Blatche -- 183
C - McGee -- 167

Bench
F - Jamison -- 118
F - Rasheed Wallace -- 98
SG - Stevenson -- 89
F - Lewis -- 77
C - Haywood -- 73
SG - Young -- 73
SF - Butler -- 71

Others
SG - Hamilton -- 68
PG - Blake -- 67
PG - Hinrich -- 63
F/C - Kwame Brown -- 56
G/F -- Gee -- 56
G - Roger Mason -- 52
SF - Josh Howard -- 49
SF - McGuire -- 45
F - Jared Jeffries -- -62

Nivek · Post #888 » by **Nivek** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:11 pm

nate33 wrote:
I can say without even a whiff of hyperbole that EG couldn't have squandered his resources any more if he tried. He gave away Blatche and a pick just to acquire Okafor and Ariza, who cost more and are less productive than any number of players he could have obtained in free agency. I just can't fathom that Ted let him keep his job after this.

It's not hyperbole, and it actually gets worse. Not only did Ted NOT fire Grunfeld for this sequence of decisions, he BRAGGED about how clever the trade was in his blog. While the team was in the process of making the worst choices they could make, Ted thought they were being smart.

Illuminaire · Post #889 » by **Illuminaire** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:40 pm

I would sig that, Kevin, but I fear seeing that every day would lead me to consider alcoholism.

closg00 · Post #890 » by **closg00** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:11 pm

Nivek wrote:
nate33 wrote:
I can say without even a whiff of hyperbole that EG couldn't have squandered his resources any more if he tried. He gave away Blatche and a pick just to acquire Okafor and Ariza, who cost more and are less productive than any number of players he could have obtained in free agency. I just can't fathom that Ted let him keep his job after this.

It's not hyperbole, and it actually gets worse. Not only did Ted NOT fire Grunfeld for this sequence of decisions, he BRAGGED about how clever the trade was in his blog. While the team was in the process of making the worst choices they could make, Ted thought they were being smart.

This exchange belongs in the HOF thread, who's with me?

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #891 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:13 pm

nate33 wrote:Once the Okariza deal took place, their cap figure jumped from Lewis' $14M buyout to Okariza's combined $21M price. They would have therefore been capped out. However they still would have had the MLE (which happens to be $5M). That would have been enough for Webster and Price. Basically, amnestying Blatche did absolutely NOTHING for their cap flexibility. Nothing at all.

EG managed to make the worst possible combination of decisions in the worst possible order. Amnesty Blatche first and he could have had $12M in cap room. The alternative would have been to keep Blatche at the same out-of-pocket cost to Ted and with the exact same cap flexibility. Instead, EG went with Door Number Three and traded for Okariza and then amnestying Blatche. He lost both the cap room and Blatche's production, without saving Ted a dime in out-of-pocket expenses.

I can say without even a whiff of hyperbole that EG couldn't have squandered his resources any more if he tried. He gave away Blatche and a pick just to acquire Okafor and Ariza, who cost more and are less productive than any number of players he could have obtained in free agency. I just can't fathom that Ted let him keep his job after this.

Speaking of a whiff, I would drug test the man. At times I wonder if he's under the influence when he makes deals like the Okafor trade and the Nene trade. You simply cannot trade right at the trade deadline for a player approaching 30 years old who misses many games to injury . As questionable a decision as the Nene trade was, you can't tell me he put valid analysis into the Okariza deal. That was a fail on so many levels. I would think very stupid or somebody's on drugs to make that deal.

I don't want to start any rumors, but I have wondered how a guy could be so wrong. When I was i the military we were tested randomly. I truly think executives should have the same standard applied because you never know.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #892 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:20 pm

Nivek wrote:
nate33 wrote:
I can say without even a whiff of hyperbole that EG couldn't have squandered his resources any more if he tried. He gave away Blatche and a pick just to acquire Okafor and Ariza, who cost more and are less productive than any number of players he could have obtained in free agency. I just can't fathom that Ted let him keep his job after this.

It's not hyperbole, and it actually gets worse. Not only did Ted NOT fire Grunfeld for this sequence of decisions, he BRAGGED about how clever the trade was in his blog. While the team was in the process of making the worst choices they could make, Ted thought they were being smart.

What I wonder is are Ted and EG so prideful they don't now realize the depth and breadth of their miscalculations? Are they in denial and/or are they disingenuous enough to keep spouting about Wall's return, as if that is why their veteran acquisitions have not panned out.

What Ted seems to be to me is blinded by hero worship when it comes to EG. It's Abe and Wes all over again. No matter what, they're tight and running the business like a Mom & Pop store.

Nivek · Post #893 » by **Nivek** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:21 pm

Grunfeld must have some kind of Jedi mind thing over team owners. My guess is that they've convinced themselves that the problem is injuries to Wall and Nene and that everyone would play better if those two were in the lineup.

payitforward · Post #894 » by **payitforward** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:47 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:What I wonder is are Ted and EG so prideful they don't now realize the depth and breadth of their miscalculations?

Oh, there's no question about it -- they have no notion that they were making the wrong moves. They think this is all "bad luck."

Some time this Fall Ted said something on the order that the sports team industry was unique because you could be derailed so easily by chance.

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:What Ted seems to be to me is blinded by hero worship when it comes to EG.

I'm afraid it's slightly different from that. Ted hero-worships Ted. He thinks Ted has a plan and is perfect. Ernie encourages him to hero-worship himself, because it lets him keep his job. As I've written a few times already, Ernie Grunfield has one great skill as a GM: he knows how to manage his owner.

Post #895 » by **Zonkerbl** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:10 pm

No mention of McGee's nice game against Minnesota?

sashae · Post #896 » by **sashae** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:18 pm

Nick Young had a nice night as well, 30pts, 4reb, 2ast, 1 stl including 6-12 from 3 and 52% shooting overall in a loss to the Lakers.

closg00 · Post #897 » by **closg00** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:23 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:No mention of McGee's nice game against Minnesota?

It was against SAC, 19 points in 21 min, but the game was a blowout.

Post #898 » by **Zonkerbl** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:20 pm

whoops.

sashae · Post #899 » by **sashae** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:50 pm

Shelvin Mack, D-League player of the week for the Maine Red Claws. Too bad there's no NBA franchise desperately in need of PG help.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #900 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:29 pm

The Wizards are so frustrating. They need PG help and Livingston, like Pardo, has failed miserably.

They distanced themselves prematurely from Shelvin Mack. I hope for Shelvin's sake a good team will call him up.

hands11 · Post #901 » by **hands11** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:38 am

Nick and McGee are going to have good games. That is not a negative for the Wizards. They had good games and good runs of games here as well.

As for Mack, I don't have a huge problem with how it played out. Hopefully the DL has helped him hone his skills. But we are talking an average back up PG. For that, they went with Price who is quicker and a better defender. Its just he is hurt now.

I think the bigger problem was not having anything near a starting PG to replace Wall while he was out. Price wasn't it. Best they could have done was make Crawford that player but they didn't do that early enough.

But then again. That is assuming Ted didn't want another tank year under his belt. Which its looking more and more like he did/do.

You don't start a back up PG like Price ( or Mack if he was here) with a 19 year old kid and no #1 or #2 scoring options unless you are outright stupid or you are looking to tank.

hands11 · Post #902 » by **hands11** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:01 am

Nivek wrote:Grunfeld must have some kind of Jedi mind thing over team owners. My guess is that they've convinced themselves that the problem is injuries to Wall and Nene and that everyone would play better if those two were in the lineup.

So your position is that they wouldn't play better with Wall and Nene in the line up ?

Hey, I know it is cathartic and all to beat on Ted and EG. Lord knows we are all frustrated. Specially since they have accumulated some pieces.

But come on now. Of course they would be better with those two out there. No Wall and Nene to start the year had a huge effect on this season. And to make it worse, Kevin was injured preseason as well. And now they don't have Trevor A, Price and Booker on top of that.

This has been a train wreck. But at least we are probably behind the worst of Beals play. He should start to rebound now. Kevin S is someone who's development will be fun to watch. He could still be a beast if they keep developing him well. There are still pieces that will be fun to watch get better. But the season... the season is shot. Its a tank. And that sucks. You can no longer count on them doing anything logical to win because winning is bad for the tank. God I hate tank years. Takes all the fun out of expecting them to do anything good or logical. Gotta put your tank logic hat on to predict their next moves.

TGW · Post #903 » by **TGW** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:07 am

Nick Young didn't have a good game against the Lakers...alot of garbage buckets and typical Nick Young iso-shot jacking.

Halcyon · Post #904 » by **Halcyon** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:06 pm

Josh Howard cut, apparently torn ACL.

Induveca · Post #905 » by **Induveca** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:03 pm

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/12/29/he-got-paid-so-where-is-javale-mcgee/

Ouch, McGee called a "20 minute player" by Karl. Article slams McGee pretty badly as a disappoint,emt, essentially calling him "not so bright" and unreliable, but not in those exact words.