Falk: Trading Turner Wasn't Blockbuster For 76ers

[RealGM Wiretap]

Evan Turner's agent, David Falk, believes the Philadelphia 76ers didn't make an expecially strong trade in dealing his client to the Indiana Pacers.

“I don’t think it’s about expectations,” Falk said. “I think he and Jrue Holiday were terrific together. And we had asked Philadelphia his entire fourth year, repeatedly, we urged him to please not trade [Turner]. He was really having fun. He was very productive playing for Brett Brown. and it’s not like they got a lot for the trade [to Indiana].

“They got a second-round pick for he and Lavoy Allen, and had to pay off many millions of dollars to Danny Granger to make the deal. I don’t think it was exactly a blockbuster deal for Philly. The situation could have been better.”

Turner signed with the Boston Celtics this offseason.

Via Gary Washburn/Boston Globe

[thinktellectual]

Translation: He was putting up dem stats on the Sixers, but then you **** traded him, he stunk on the Pacers, and that cost me a million or so. Why didn't you think of my pay cheque when making that trade ?

[Rashidi]

Sixers didn't pay anything extra to get Granger, they were well below the salary floor and needed to give money to someone.

[Lapinski]

Anyone know what he got from the Celtics?

Sixers traded him because he had no desire to stay with the team on a reasonable contract. He was not worth his qualifying offer of 8.7 million and he kept saying he was going to get paid.

[Buffalo_Tim]

Anyone know what he got from the Celtics?

Sixers traded him because he had no desire to stay with the team on a reasonable contract. He was not worth his qualifying offer of 8.7 million and he kept saying he was going to get paid.

He got a portion of the mid-level, as per Steve Bulpett, but I couldn't find the exact value. Likely not a heck of a lot.

According to Jeremy Lundblad, of the 74 players with 8,000+ minutes over the last four seasons, Evans ranks 74th in both win shares per 48 and PER. So he's been pretty awful. Talented player though. Would be nice to see him smarten up his play and turn things around.

[MRxBLACK]

The way Turner (and Hawes) dogged it and quit on the team in the games leading up to the trade deadline was disgusting. Also, despite Turner's increased production for most of the season w/ the Sixers, he was doing it at the same poor efficiency level he always had.

[IMAN5]

Evan Turner sucked, inflated stats on a losing team, nothing special.

there is a reason he got such a small deal in Boston. so much for "getting paid".

[Rated T By CBRA]

Not a good fit in Indiana, really not sure why Bird made the move - could have waited until the end of the season to deal Granger...who was a big part of the team with respect to chemistry. This guy will be a journey-man in the NBA unless he establishes himself nicely with Rondo/Smart/Olynyk and the young core that the Celtics have. I mean Antoine Walker was good there a long time ago, no reason he can't be decent either

[puja21]

Sixers didn't pay anything extra to get Granger, they were well below the salary floor and needed to give money to someone.

Falk wasn't talking about matching salaries

When he said "payoff many millions of dollars to Danny Granger," he was referring to the fact that they made the trade knowing they were going to waive him less than a week later.

When Granger predictably cleared waivers his 13/14 salary was $14M, so essentially they owed him the pro-rated value on that contract the moment the waiver period closed.

He was dropped with 25 games remaining on the schedule (+30% of the season), so that translates to almost 4.3M paid just to get rid of Turner. The Sixers' brass probably negotiated the actual physical dollar amount down some from there in the buyout terms (Granger is forgoing *some* salary for the right to sign with a playoff team like the Clippers) ... but who knows how much.

[zeebo]

Evan Turner sucked, inflated stats on a losing team, nothing special.

there is a reason he got such a small deal in Boston. so much for "getting paid".

I put Kevin Love in the category too!

[Jabatchi22]

Evan Turner sucked, inflated stats on a losing team, nothing special.

there is a reason he got such a small deal in Boston. so much for "getting paid".

I put Kevin Love in the category too!

If Minnesota were in the East you wouldn't be saying that. TWolves got 40 wins in a harder conference, cannot compare Turner to Love.

[caronimo]

he's right...it's not a blockbuster. it was getting something (a 2nd round pick) for a player with an expiring contract that the sixers didn't plan to re-sign while preserving their cap space.

[djxsremix]

Unless you are an obviously exceptional talent (Kevin Love, Chris Bosh, Al Jefferson etc.) it is very hard to put any stock in a player putting up numbers on a bad team. Especially guys like Evan Turner who so far, is mid tier at best.

[saltybs]

Evan Turner sucked, inflated stats on a losing team, nothing special.

there is a reason he got such a small deal in Boston. so much for "getting paid".

I put Kevin Love in the category too!

If Minnesota were in the East you wouldn't be saying that. TWolves got 40 wins in a harder conference, cannot compare Turner to Love.

I sure as heck do. KLove = overrated.

[IMAN5]

Evan Turner sucked, inflated stats on a losing team, nothing special.

there is a reason he got such a small deal in Boston. so much for "getting paid".

I put Kevin Love in the category too!

Kevin Love is very overrated too but he's much more talented than Turner. I put Love in the category of Harden, Dwight, Joe Johnson.

[LApwnd]

The way Turner (and Hawes) dogged it and quit on the team in the games leading up to the trade deadline was disgusting. Also, despite Turner's increased production for most of the season w/ the Sixers, he was doing it at the same poor efficiency level he always had.

you sure they weren't just following instruction to lose/tank?

[Rashidi]

He was dropped with 25 games remaining on the schedule (+30% of the season), so that translates to almost 4.3M paid just to get rid of Turner. The Sixers' brass probably negotiated the actual physical dollar amount down some from there in the buyout terms (Granger is forgoing *some* salary for the right to sign with a playoff team like the Clippers) ... but who knows how much.

I don't think you understand.

They money they paid to waive Granger went towards the salary minimum that all NBA teams have to meet for a given year. Philly was WELL below that number prior to the trade. Had they not traded for Granger, everyone on the roster simply would have gotten a substantial raise at the end of the year, up to the salary floor.

[CoreyGallagher]

You sort of have to be trading a worthwhile player to begin with for it to be a blockbuster.

[MRxBLACK]

The way Turner (and Hawes) dogged it and quit on the team in the games leading up to the trade deadline was disgusting. Also, despite Turner's increased production for most of the season w/ the Sixers, he was doing it at the same poor efficiency level he always had.

you sure they weren't just following instruction to lose/tank?

They knew they were as good as gone and quit on the team.

You're probably joking but I think that's a common misconception about the Sixers, if you saw almost any of their games last season the coaches and players want to win, it's the GM that's not giving them a full deck of cards yet.

[puja21]

He was dropped with 25 games remaining on the schedule (+30% of the season), so that translates to almost 4.3M paid just to get rid of Turner. The Sixers' brass probably negotiated the actual physical dollar amount down some from there in the buyout terms (Granger is forgoing *some* salary for the right to sign with a playoff team like the Clippers) ... but who knows how much.

I don't think you understand.

They money they paid to waive Granger went towards the salary minimum that all NBA teams have to meet for a given year. Philly was WELL below that number prior to the trade. Had they not traded for Granger, everyone on the roster simply would have gotten a substantial raise at the end of the year, up to the salary floor.

Ah that makes more sense -- didn't realize their payroll was that low