D'Angelo Russell: We've Got A Lot Of Players Trying To Do The Same Thing

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D'Angelo Russell: We've Got A Lot Of Players Trying To Do The Same Thing 

Post#1 » by RealGM Wiretap » Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:21 pm

D'Angelo Russell has had a slower start to his NBA career than some of his fellow rookies, which he attributes to his situation with the Los Angeles Lakers.


"You can’t worry about their opportunity and what they’re doing with it. Everybody is in different positions. The rookies that are separating themselves are in great positions and are getting it quick. Some people just have a learning process. That’s what I’m doing."


Russell was the second overall pick in the draft.


"The opportunity [here] is just so slim because we’ve got a lot of great players," he said. "Specifically, we’ve got a lot of players trying to do the same thing. You’ve just got to figure out your niche to stay on the floor."


Kobe Bryant sees some parallels with his situation as a rookie and what Russell is facing.


"He’ll have more opportunities and more leeway to make mistakes," Bryant said. "When I came in with the Lakers, it was a team that, we had a lot of talent and everybody expected us to win a championship, and if I go in there and mess up, it’s like, 'strangle the kid.' You know what I mean? There’s a lot more pressure there."

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Re: D'Angelo Russell: We've Got A Lot Of Players Trying To Do The Same Thing 

Post#2 » by Ddent12 » Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:55 pm

News flash Kobe ...... You re not expected to win the championship .... The LA Chuckers are in full swing .... Russell is right.... They are all jacking up 3s and not one of them is a 3-point shooter
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Post#3 » by Jody Smokz » Sun Nov 1, 2015 3:45 pm

I dont think thats the point he was trying to make

Ddent12 wrote:News flash Kobe ...... You re not expected to win the championship .... The LA Chuckers are in full swing .... Russell is right.... They are all jacking up 3s and not one of them is a 3-point shooter
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Re: D'Angelo Russell: We've Got A Lot Of Players Trying To Do The Same Thing 

Post#4 » by DEEP3CL » Sun Nov 1, 2015 4:12 pm

Ddent12 wrote:News flash Kobe ...... You re not expected to win the championship .... The LA Chuckers are in full swing .... Russell is right.... They are all jacking up 3s and not one of them is a 3-point shooter
So quick to open your pie hole to criticize, you don't even get what Kobe was getting at. And nobody is chucking the ball...stop using that tired term, unless you've watched any Laker games this year you're talking out the back of you know what.
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Post#5 » by Hoopzilla » Sun Nov 1, 2015 5:01 pm

Nobody expects you to make the playoffs, much less compete for a title Kobe. Give the kid the ball and teach him to ball out. There is a reason you had the number 2 pick in the draft.
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Post#6 » by dznutzz » Sun Nov 1, 2015 5:05 pm

niche? just play defense and give kobe the rock. that's how you earn that "head of the snake" title from BS
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Post#7 » by tsherkin » Sun Nov 1, 2015 6:12 pm

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Ddent12 wrote:News flash Kobe ...... You re not expected to win the championship .... The LA Chuckers are in full swing .... Russell is right.... They are all jacking up 3s and not one of them is a 3-point shooter
So quick to open your pie hole to criticize, you don't even get what Kobe was getting at. And nobody is chucking the ball...stop using that tired term, unless you've watched any Laker games this year you're talking out the back of you know what.



Mmm. Kobe was definitely letting fly far too freely from 3, that much is inescapably true. He doesn't have any reason to loft a baker's dozen 3PA unless he's burning super-hot.It's so early as to not be of huge merit in any of major critique, of course, but it's a point of concern. I don't know that the REST of the Lakers backcourt should really be taken to town for doing what they were brought aboard to do in the first place, of course, but that's an entirely separate situation.

With Kobe, the problem here is that the L.A. offense appears geared to use him as a volume 3pt option, which is itself stupid. It's not particularly Kobe's fault, but it is still stupid.

He's taken a pile of his 3PA in the first 6 seconds of the shot clock and he's barely hit any of them. He's taken the rest in the middle of the shot clock, mostly, which is fine, but they represent a quarter of his shots and he's blown at hitting them. He's taken 13 of his 21 3PA from 25+ feet.

By-game breakdown:

vs MIN

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Catch and shoot from way deep back of the point(27 feet or so). Not a bad look because it was a catch-and-shoot with under 10 seconds remaining. Not a great look, but the offense generated nothing before that and he moved to it off-ball, didn't waste early clock. Didn't go, but it was solid.

Grabbed a defensive board, dribbled over the time line, drove to the right block, backed it up and that jacked the three with about 14 left on the clock. Not a great look. Not the most terrible look, but it didn't really give the offense a chance to do anything, and it was a contested shot.

Basically the same shot as the first one. A little more off-ball movement from OTHER Lakers, then Kobe flashed to the same spot, caught and shot it. This one went. Again, decent look.

Bad look. Air ball with 5 seconds to go on the clock. Again, off-ball, in the post, flashed to the right wing this time, pivoted and took the contested three. I'm not sure I'd call this one chucking because of clock remaining, and because the Lakers had a chance to run their set and no one was able to drive... and the guards up top didn't even try to run PnR. It was a bad look, but it wasn't a forced look, so it's not Kobe's fault.

PnR Kobe quickly turned into a 3 close to the line with about 14 seconds left. Hit it. He actually gave up a lane to the basket that the screen and a post-up on the weakside elbow opened up for him. It was a bad decision; it worked out, but it was the wrong play, and over time, he'll waste possessions doing that, particularly given his personal level of shooting touch from beyond the arc. That's a heat-check 3, really, not something you take while you're actively competing.

Full-court heave. Can't complain, quarter was ending.

Not a bad one. Swung the ball around, moved into the post using the big as a shield, then faded back to the corner as the live dribble brought the ball to him. Pump faked, tried to draw the foul and then took the look. The pump was a good idea, because the D was in his jersey. Shot didn't go. He should have used his dribble to get closer after the pump fake didn't get the call, or passed it to Russell... but there were like 7 seconds left on the clock, so it's an understandable shot. Again, the offense worked a lot without him; there was a strong-side hand-off on the wing, Russell came around for a baseline drive, there was some screening as he slithered out the other side of the paint and he popped it to Kobe. It was a decent set, but the result of it was a contested 3 for Kobe, which wasn't great.

Stuck a three on the left wing out of an inbounds set. Nice and basic. Maybe 12 seconds left on the clock, but it was a clean look and it went.

Really stupid shot. Grabbed a defensive board, advanced it up the floor with a man DISadvantage, and front-rimmed a contested 3 from the right wing. This is the sort of shot about which people complain with Kobe; that was particularly unintelligent on his behalf, and he got lucky that Russell grabbed it, because no one was really in rebounding position when he let fly (Hibbert was still down the court, having been knocked down). Out of this broken set, Russell got the offensive board, drove a little and kicked it to Kobe, who bricked it from the corner, though that was a clean look. (0/2)

PnR mid-clock, goes around the screen for a jacked 3 with maybe 12 seconds remaining, air ball. Pretty bad look, really. We discussed this kind of shot above, it's not the right look with that much time left on the clock, and it was a congested position with two defenders and his own guy near him.

Starts this possession well, actually, looking to post right mid-post. Then he fails, because he grabbed a pass just off of the point, did a sweep fake and took a contested 3 with like 10 left on the clock. It didn't go, no surprise. Sidebar, though, in the broken set following, Kobe grabbed a loose ball and made a nice pass to Lou in the corner, who missed a pretty open 3 with L.A. only down 6. With just under 2 min remaining, that would have been big. They got the ORB, he got a catch-and-shoot 3 at the point with 22 seconds remaining on the clock and let fly. That's not an awful shot; I'm not a big fan of mediocre 3pt shooters taking looks that early, but this one was at least reasonable, because the closest defender was 4 feet away with his hands down. He missed, though. (0/2)


SO, not great. A mixture of borderline looks, a couple of bail-outs, and a few really bad looks. That sort of comprises Kobe's shot selection... and Scott's coaching. The Lakers were using him off-ball, not giving him a ton of on-ball sets or action moving through the area below the arc. He was flashing to the 3, which isn't good, because he isn't worth those kinds of shots and never has been. He had a couple of corner looks which made sense, but he had a LOT of touches above the break for 3s, and that isn't any kind of strength for him. So there are strategic factors and Kobe factors, and bail-out shots. That sort of volume for that kind of player isn't good. You could see him moving, cutting and posting all over, I mean he had the energy, but he was getting the ball in all the wrong places, and when he comes around a screen above the arc on the catch, you KNOW what's happening, and it isn't ideal.


OK, versus the Kings.

Spoiler:
Russell was having trouble with iso coverage, gave it to Kobe, who dribbled out to left of the point, paused and let fly a contested 3. Late clock, basically a bail-out.

Bricked a catch-and-shoot on the right wing with about 18 seconds remaining. Weak shot. Russell passed it to him from the point and he basically ignored Randle in the paint.

Left wing, bad brick. He came out of the corner, grabbed basically a hand-off and lofted a contested 3 with about 15 to go. Pretty bad look.

Seven seconds to go, right wing, contested 3. Brick. He wasted time and stayed behind the line before letting fly. Not a good look, didn't generate anything better, didn't use the big as a screen, either, he wanted the clear-out and that's what he did with it.

Catch and shoot from the right corner in transition. He had the space, he had the time and it went. Exactly the kind of look he should be taking. It was a little early in the clock, but open, assisted, clean corner 3s are some of the best shots in the game.

Contested right wing 3 in transition, front-rimmed it. Bad look.

Out of bounds set. Set a screen, received the pass from the point with 12 remaining, jacked and back-rimmed the contested 3. Bad look. Get anything else. Randle was right there to come for a quick screen to at least get a cleaner look at the basket. That was a waste.

Left wing. Grabbed a pass and took a screen coming out of the corner to the wing. Clean look, but with about 15 seconds remaining on the clock and the big running out to him, he could have taken the chance to drive and do anything else with it. Instead, he bricked it.


A lot of Stupid-to-Good leading the way in that game. Fewer bail-outs, more outright stupid shots. Not a lot of good.

Basically, Kobe's abusing the 3 at the moment, and not in a positive way. There was a lot less of L.A. game-planning for him to take the 3 here, and a lot more of him shooting it way too early and way too contested. This has always been his problem, he overuses the 3. When it's dropping, it's awesome and he's unguardable, but he's not actually a particularly incredible 3pt shooter and he makes his life harder with the low quality looks he uses so regularly.

I'd call that "chucking," personally.
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Post#8 » by AussieRules » Mon Nov 2, 2015 6:45 am

SlowAngelo Russell :lol:
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Post#9 » by CoolKids » Tue Nov 3, 2015 11:14 pm

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Ddent12 wrote:News flash Kobe ...... You re not expected to win the championship .... The LA Chuckers are in full swing .... Russell is right.... They are all jacking up 3s and not one of them is a 3-point shooter
So quick to open your pie hole to criticize, you don't even get what Kobe was getting at. And nobody is chucking the ball...stop using that tired term, unless you've watched any Laker games this year you're talking out the back of you know what.

Nick young isnt chucking? ok...
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Post#10 » by CoolKids » Tue Nov 3, 2015 11:15 pm

Still early on so give him some time. I originally wanted Russell the most of the top 5 guys. Hes looked pretty horrendous so far though. I'd give him another month before I would really start to worry

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