Bulls Sought Additional Starter-Level Player From Celtics In Jimmy Butler Talks

Post #1 » by **RealGM Wiretap** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:08 pm

The Boston Celtics and Chicago Bulls held discussions at the draft centered on Jimmy Butler.

According to the Chicago Tribune, one of the proposals was Jae Crowder, the No. 3 pick and the No. 16 pick. The Bulls would have used the pick on Kris Dunn.

A source says the Bulls also demanded an additional starter-level player in the trade.

Butler was an All-Star in 2015 and 2016 but the Celtics felt the price was exorbitant.

Via Kevin O'Connor/The Ringer

donaldtrump_00 · Post #2 » by **donaldtrump_00** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:55 pm

We lost Derrick rose for crap. Which I'm still not happy with. Should've gotten a better package for a player his caliber. Then the Celsius try to steal our other best player for draft picks and Jae crowder. All I know about him is he can defend. Danny ainge need to stop smoking.

Sam195 · Post #3 » by **Sam195** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:21 am

donaldtrump_00 wrote:We lost Derrick rose for crap. Which I'm still not happy with. Should've gotten a better package for a player his caliber. Then the Celsius try to steal our other best player for draft picks and Jae crowder. All I know about him is he can defend. Danny ainge need to stop smoking.

Rose had no-trade value - bulls had to eat Robin Lopez's contract in order to get a deal done. Rose is far from what he was when he won mvp, is injury-prone, imature (dumb comments about his next contract or his body being sore when he's 80) and potentially a convicted rap*** if he loses his trial. From Knicks perspective it's a worthy gamble because if Rose plays well - the team is better if not than the marriage only lasts one year and Knicks have more cap space going forward

Alonzo_Morning · Post #4 » by **Alonzo_Morning** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:11 am

That price probably was exorbitant, but dem assets doe?

BeatDaCavs420 · Post #5 » by **BeatDaCavs420** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:16 am

donaldtrump_00 wrote:We lost Derrick rose for crap. Which I'm still not happy with. Should've gotten a better package for a player his caliber. Then the Celsius try to steal our other best player for draft picks and Jae crowder. All I know about him is he can defend. Danny ainge need to stop smoking.

Derrick Rose is crap

He was awful and always will be hurt

15th overall · Post #6 » by **15th overall** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:43 am

I'm gonna assume the unnamed starter that Chicago wanted thrown on top of Jae/3/16 was Avery. Too rich for my taste.

foreigngrammar · Post #7 » by **foreigngrammar** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:23 am

donaldtrump_00 wrote:We lost Derrick rose for crap. Which I'm still not happy with. Should've gotten a better package for a player his caliber. Then the Celsius try to steal our other best player for draft picks and Jae crowder. All I know about him is he can defend. Danny ainge need to stop smoking.

here we go... :lol:

ptpablo · Post #8 » by **ptpablo** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:49 am

donaldtrump_00 wrote:We lost Derrick rose for crap. Which I'm still not happy with. Should've gotten a better package for a player his caliber. Then the Celsius try to steal our other best player for draft picks and Jae crowder. All I know about him is he can defend. Danny ainge need to stop smoking.

I get it that Lopez does not score as many points as derrick rose. But Lopez was the best player in that trade.

Ferulci · Post #9 » by **Ferulci** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:22 pm

So you miss on Jimmy Butler (Top 20 in the league, 2-way superstar in his prime, signed for years on great contract) because you dont want to add Avery Bradley or Amir Johnson ? Ainge played himself on that one.

Donnyxc · Post #10 » by **Donnyxc** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:38 pm

Ferulci wrote:So you miss on Jimmy Butler (Top 20 in the league, 2-way superstar in his prime, signed for years on great contract) because you dont want to add Avery Bradley or Amir Johnson ? Ainge played himself on that one.

I can't wait for Jaylen Brown to prove you wrong.

MitchB3 · Post #11 » by **MitchB3** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:07 pm

The Bulls are asking for too much, when in reality they just got lucky, that they didn't have to go through a full rebuild. Butler would have been a nice piece to the Celtics, and his style of basketball the Celtics fan would have loved, but to ask for additional starter-level players, while you were getting the No. 3 overall pick along with the No. 16, you should be satisfied

MitchB3 · Post #12 » by **MitchB3** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:08 pm

Donnyxc wrote:
Ferulci wrote:So you miss on Jimmy Butler (Top 20 in the league, 2-way superstar in his prime, signed for years on great contract) because you dont want to add Avery Bradley or Amir Johnson ? Ainge played himself on that one.

I can't wait for Jaylen Brown to prove you wrong.

That's if Brown gets minutes, he's either going to be a SG or the SF, and Jae will most likely be getting majority of those minutes.

Patsfan1081 · Post #13 » by **Patsfan1081** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:16 pm

donaldtrump_00 wrote:We lost Derrick rose for crap. Which I'm still not happy with. Should've gotten a better package for a player his caliber. Then the Celsius try to steal our other best player for draft picks and Jae crowder. All I know about him is he can defend. Danny ainge need to stop smoking.

You admit you know little about a player than bash the offer, makes zero sense. There was also a reason why the return on Rose was small...

Patsfan1081 · Post #14 » by **Patsfan1081** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:18 pm

MitchB3 wrote:
Donnyxc wrote:
Ferulci wrote:So you miss on Jimmy Butler (Top 20 in the league, 2-way superstar in his prime, signed for years on great contract) because you dont want to add Avery Bradley or Amir Johnson ? Ainge played himself on that one.

I can't wait for Jaylen Brown to prove you wrong.

That's if Brown gets minutes, he's either going to be a SG or the SF, and Jae will most likely be getting majority of those minutes.

He's been getting minutes at both the three and the four this preseason, I don't believe the depth at the guard position will effect his minutes. He'll see around 12-15 a game to start off.

Patsfan1081 · Post #15 » by **Patsfan1081** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:23 pm

Ferulci wrote:So you miss on Jimmy Butler (Top 20 in the league, 2-way superstar in his prime, signed for years on great contract) because you dont want to add Avery Bradley or Amir Johnson ? Ainge played himself on that one.

I highly doubt Amir Johnson was a deal breaker and both Bradley and Crowder are tuff to give up when at the time you don't have Horford under contract yet. I'm not sure I would call Butler a superstar quite yet either.

MitchB3 · Post #16 » by **MitchB3** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:26 pm

Patsfan1081 wrote:
MitchB3 wrote:
Donnyxc wrote:
I can't wait for Jaylen Brown to prove you wrong.

That's if Brown gets minutes, he's either going to be a SG or the SF, and Jae will most likely be getting majority of those minutes.

He's been getting minutes at both the three and the four this preseason, I don't believe the depth at the guard position will effect his minutes. He'll see around 12-15 a game to start off.

That's preseason, just because you get minutes during preseason doesn't automatically mean you are getting playing time during the season, especially if the Celtics are looking to grab the third seed, and maintain for the season.

MitchB3 · Post #17 » by **MitchB3** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:29 pm

donaldtrump_00 wrote:We lost Derrick rose for crap. Which I'm still not happy with. Should've gotten a better package for a player his caliber. Then the Celsius try to steal our other best player for draft picks and Jae crowder. All I know about him is he can defend. Danny ainge need to stop smoking.

Stop looking at the trade from a Bulls fan point of view and look at it this way; yes granted Crowder is not Jimmy Butler a top 5 SG/SF, or a top 15 player overall. However, he's cheaper than Butler, and the Bulls didn't even know what the direction they wanted to in. THEY GOT LUCKY, when they signed Wade; if the Pat Riley didn't disrespect him he would still be in Miami this upcoming season. If the Bulls had thrown in Doug McDermott or Nikola, the Celtics would have given up even more. They would have added Avery Bradley and/or Marcus Smart, along with the No. 3 pick, No. 16 pick, and No. 1 overall pick for next season draft; because if you think about the Bulls would have gotten the better end of the deal.

24istheLAW · Post #18 » by **24istheLAW** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:02 pm

Ferulci wrote:So you miss on Jimmy Butler (Top 20 in the league, 2-way superstar in his prime, signed for years on great contract) because you dont want to add Avery Bradley or Amir Johnson ? Ainge played himself on that one.

You can't look at it in a vacuum though. Butler is obviously a better individual player than either Bradley or Crowder. But what's next?
*You traded the guys you need next to Butler, to get Butler.
*You essentially have one less salary slot for a high end starter because Bradley and Crowder are signed for $15M combined. You now have to replace 2/3 of your best players in 2015 and you have fewer avenues to do it.
*You don't add a blue chip youngster. Given the fickleness of the lottery, that 3rd overall pick might be the best you ever get.

This kind of 3-for-1 exchange (given that all 3 are extremely cheap and controllable) would make the team better tomorrow. But it also makes them shallower tomorrow, and constrains their ability to make the next move. I can see why you pass it up and take your chances.

ontnut · Post #19 » by **ontnut** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:51 pm

If the other starter was not named Isaiah or Avery, the Celtics made a mistake here.
Amir or Smart or any other player other than the two above, should not be a deal breaker for them in acquiring Butler. Butler and Bradley would be the second best wing duo in the league after Klay and KD, and possibly the best 2-way wing duo. With Horford and Isaiah, they would legitimately have a team that could challenge Cleveland for the ECF.

If the Bulls were asking for Bradley, Crowder and both 1st picks, then yeah, I'd hang up the phone.