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[BeesWax]

Zeller isn't averaging a double double playing away from the basket 30 games into the season.

**** everything

Nobody is askinghim to average a double double. But you know...scoring in the teens at least 1 game as a 4th overall pick that was supposed to be a ready to play now player would be nice. Even Mully could drop efficient 20+ point games sometimes. Do you see that kind of potential at ALL when you watch Zeller? it jsut isn't there. He doesn't have the talent to score 20 points in an NBA game. How could he possibly be a starter if he can't score the ball? that was supposed to be his strength, we knew he'd suck on defense and rebounding but not this.

Mullens never did anything efficiently.

wot

but don't let that stop you from dropping blame on zeller for not stepping up when our league leading offense stalls out.

Never say never. I found this in like 5 seconds.

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400278482

I admit he was not a good player but this was a very nice game from him last year.

[mrknowitall215]

Mullens never did anything efficiently.

wot

but don't let that stop you from dropping blame on zeller for not stepping up when our league leading offense stalls out.

List of Byron Mullens' 'efficient games' of 20+ points w/ Bobcats:

01/12/12 vs ATL - 21 points, 8-16 FG
01/14/12 vs GSW - 20 points, 7-15 FG, 1-1 3P
01/28/12 vs WAS - 23 points, 10-17 FG
03/31/12 vs DET - 20 points, 8-14 FG, 1-3 3P
04/03/12 vs TOR - 20 points, 9-21 FG, 1-2 3P
04/06/12 vs MIL - 31 points, 14-23 FG, 1-4 3P
11/07/12 vs PHO - 24 points, 9-16 FG, 6-10 3P
11/24/12 vs WAS - 27 points, 9-15 FG, 5-11 3P
02/11/13 vs BOS - 25 points, 10-16 FG, 4-5 3P
03/20/13 vs TOR - 25 points, 7-11 FG, 3-4 3P

[KembaWalker]

Zeller isn't averaging a double double playing away from the basket 30 games into the season.

**** everything

Nobody is askinghim to average a double double. But you know...scoring in the teens at least 1 game as a 4th overall pick that was supposed to be a ready to play now player would be nice. Even Mully could drop efficient 20+ point games sometimes. Do you see that kind of potential at ALL when you watch Zeller? it jsut isn't there. He doesn't have the talent to score 20 points in an NBA game. How could he possibly be a starter if he can't score the ball? that was supposed to be his strength, we knew he'd suck on defense and rebounding but not this.

Mullens never did anything efficiently.

wot

but don't let that stop you from dropping blame on zeller for not stepping up when our league leading offense stalls out.

Mully had plenty of great games, Zeller has yet to have ONE. And Mully is a complete idiot player, so what does that say about their talent levels?

[ball teacher]

Kemba was also asked to be a point guard, something he played everyday in his tenure at UCONN. Zeller was a center at Indiana, not a stretch 4, a center. Give the guy just a little bit of time to adjust

You would be wrong. Kemba was a scoring guard in his final year at UConn by default because they were a team full of unheralded freshmen with Kemba being one of the lone upperclassmen. Kemba had to translate his game to the pros also. Zeller is doing the same thing he did at Indiana which is operating from the high post and blowing by defenders. He's just getting blocked more now that he's playing against better competition.

Kemba was a scoring point guard in his final year at UConn, what does he do now? Hmmm, he scores and everyone criticizes him for not being a good passer. I watched Indiana basketball, Zeller didn't take 18 footers, and Crean's offense sure as hell didn't ask the PF to sit at the top of the key and pass to make the offense flow. We're asking him to do something completely different at a level where the talent is a lot higher, give the guy a bit of a break

Shabazz Napier was the point guard in UCONN the final year, if you remember during the pre draft workouts, the question about Kemba was would he be able to make the switch from SG to PG and Kemba told everyone that he used to be a PG, but the final season at UCONN he was asked to be the scoring guard.

[mrknowitall215]

Shabazz Napier was the point guard in UCONN the final year, if you remember during the pre draft workouts, the question about Kemba was would he be able to make the switch from SG to PG and Kemba told everyone that he used to be a PG, but the final season at UCONN he was asked to be the scoring guard.

No, you are wrong

Kemba Walker was the starting PG at UConn, and lead the team in assist with 4.5 per game. Shabazz Napier sporadically subbed into the game as one of their better players not named Kemba, and shifted him off the ball, but even still the majority of the time the offense was ran through Kemba while occasionally Napier played off the ball. They shared PG duties when they both were on the floor together as combo guards

[ball teacher]

You're right Napier was on the bench

[mrknowitall215]

"I'm a willing passer," Walker said. "I'm a very unselfish guy. I wouldn't mind getting other guys involved. I'm a point guard. That's it, there's no in-between, no combo, no nothing. I'm just a point guard."

"A lot of teams think I'm a scoring point guard because of the year I had," Walker explained, "but it was out of necessity. I had to score for my team. We had an extremely young team and I had to take on a huge scoring load, but early in my career I was the guy passing the ball."

[ball teacher]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiH5lzK_Tzg[/youtube]
questions about role as a PG at 2 minutes

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtsJJw9j2bM[/youtube]
Pretty clear break down of Kemba's game where at 7:30 his game was explained perfectly. If you watch the Kemba's highlights you'll see the offense ran at UCONN is the exact same offense we run now which was brought in by Dunlap last year as he said it was to help Kemba get shots and improve his game. And those highlights of Kemba are of a player used as a SG, not a PG

[mrknowitall215]

You're right Napier was on the bench

I take it that you didn't watch much of UConn in 2010-11?

Last season, Napier came in for spurts to relieve Walker of ball-handling chores and free him up for scoring. Napier was effective, averaging 23 minutes, 7.8 points, three assists and 1.6 steals. But coming off the bench was new for him, and learning to be patient was the key. For UConn to fulfill its potential, the Huskies need Napier to grow into a mature, disciplined player.

"My role is totally different than last year," Napier said. "Coming off the bench was weird. I'd never done that before. My role was to come in and be a spark. You want to do something right away, get the crowd involved. Now, I have to be patient, look for my teammates. I have to realize that the ball is precious, any little turnover I make can cost us."

http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-men ... 2038.story

[ball teacher]

I saw a few games but I didnt really pay attention to the Huskies until the late in the tourney, and from what I remember Napier was the guy that played point when the two were in the game together. All you have to do is look at his game and it's clear that he's a better SG than PG. He's averaging about the same number assists as Mcroberts. Kemba has 4.7, Mcbob has 4.4. Yet Kemba is probably taking more shots than anyone on the team, do we really need him to be the leading shot taker? His FG% isn't great by any stretch of the imagination.

What I'll say is Kemba blew up nationally as a scorer in college, the questions about can he be a NBA point guard are fair and valid because he wasnt recognised as a lottery pick for his point guard skills, it was because of his scoring. We run a offense that requires very little play making from him but it does utilize him as a main scoring threat. I'm not knocking his game either, I'm just stating what he is, which is a scoring guard who is listed as a point guard, same as Westbrook in OKC, he plays point, but nothing about his game says he's a point guard.

[ball teacher]

The next time we play watch how Kemba is used. As soon as he advances the ball up the court he'll either immediately pass the ball to another player and get in scoring guard mode, (he does this by dribbling up the court and without even calling a play he'll do a sort of lazy pass to someone and continue to run off a screen or run around the perimeter putting himself in SG mode so he can catch the rock in the triple threat position which makes it easier for him to use his quickness off a pick to score) or he'll wait for the picks to come which he uses first and foremost to shoot and if he has no shot or if hes well defended, he'll pass to Mcroberts at the top of the key. This is how he's used.

IMO, there's really only a few real playmaking point guards left. Paul, Rubio, Nash, and Rondo. Maybe D Will is in the convo too. I dont see many point guards with great handles like they used to have, I dont see many with the ability to shake a defender one on one like they used too, and I dont see much floor generalship with many of these guys.

[mrknowitall215]

The definition of a point guard:

point guard noun
basketball : a player who is one of the two guards on a team and is the one most responsible for leading the team when it has the ball and is trying to score

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/point%20guard

point guard
n
(Team Sports / Basketball) Basketball
a. the position of the player responsible for directing the team's attacking play
b. a player in this position

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/point+guard

Do Kemba Walker not do these things? A point guard isn't defined by how close he can get to 10 assist per game, and a 10 assist per game point guard don't define a winning point guard, and vice versa

[catch20two]

Ball teacher need to go somewhere in here talking all of that nonsense and getting proven wrong. Is Derek Fisher not a PG? Was Tony Parker not a PG? Come in here talking about Shabazz was the starting PG during UConn's championship year with Kemba and then try to switch it up. Nobody care about your assumptions if you don't know what you're talking about and just spewing out your own irrational opinion.

[mrknowitall215]

Yet Kemba is probably taking more shots than anyone on the team, do we really need him to be the leading shot taker? His FG% isn't great by any stretch of the imagination.

Kemba & Jefferson attempt the same amount of shots per game on the team, and sport similar mid-to-low 40% percentages, especially when you consider that Kemba has a superior TS% & a better eFG% than Jefferson, unless you'd prefer to see Henderson lead the team in shot attempts? and I don't think many would agree to that

[HornetJail]

I saw a few games but I didnt really pay attention to the Huskies until the late in the tourney, and from what I remember Napier was the guy that played point when the two were in the game together. All you have to do is look at his game and it's clear that he's a better SG than PG. He's averaging about the same number assists as Mcroberts. Kemba has 4.7, Mcbob has 4.4. Yet Kemba is probably taking more shots than anyone on the team, do we really need him to be the leading shot taker? His FG% isn't great by any stretch of the imagination.

What I'll say is Kemba blew up nationally as a scorer in college, the questions about can he be a NBA point guard are fair and valid because he wasnt recognised as a lottery pick for his point guard skills, it was because of his scoring. We run a offense that requires very little play making from him but it does utilize him as a main scoring threat. I'm not knocking his game either, I'm just stating what he is, which is a scoring guard who is listed as a point guard, same as Westbrook in OKC, he plays point, but nothing about his game says he's a point guard.

You could say the same thing about at least 20 of the other starting point guards in the NBA. The game is evolving. Guys like Rubio and Calderon would've been really successful in other eras, but they aren't effective in this era, where you need more scoring from the point guard position. What do almost all the top PGs in the NBA have in common? They are premier scorers. Stick a guy like Calderon on this team instead of Kemba, we'd be down there with Philly and Orlando close to the bottom of the league. Guys like Parker, Westbrook, Rose, Irving, Kemba, etc. That's the new age of point guards. They lead the attack, and a lot of time they are the leading scorers. Nothing wrong with that.

[catch20two]

And Calderon averaging the same amount of assist as Kemba this year

I dare ball teacher to tell me that Monta is a better passer than Calderon.

[ball teacher]

The definition of a point guard:

point guard noun
basketball : a player who is one of the two guards on a team and is the one most responsible for leading the team when it has the ball and is trying to score

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/point%20guard

point guard
n
(Team Sports / Basketball) Basketball
a. the position of the player responsible for directing the team's attacking play
b. a player in this position

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/point+guard

Do Kemba Walker not do these things? A point guard isn't defined by how close he can get to 10 assist per game, and a 10 assist per game point guard don't define a winning point guard, and vice versa

You pulled a dictionary passage to explain what a true point guard is? OK, you win.

[ball teacher]

Ball teacher need to go somewhere in here talking all of that nonsense and getting proven wrong. Is Derek Fisher not a PG? Was Tony Parker not a PG? Come in here talking about Shabazz was the starting PG during UConn's championship year with Kemba and then try to switch it up. Nobody care about your assumptions if you don't know what you're talking about and just spewing out your own irrational opinion.

I said Napier was the PG, I was wrong he wasnt starting, but I wasnt wrrng about him being the point and when he and Walker played together he wasnt the one who moved to the SG slot, it was Kemba. And what does Fisher and Parker have to do with Kemba? If you dont care about my "assumptions" then kindly keep it moving and dont reply. If you know basketball it's clear Kemba has work to do in order to be a elite Point guard with real point guard skills. If you disagree, thats your opinion and your entitled to it, no reason to get overly emotional and take this personal especially when this wasnt even a convo you were involved in.

[catch20two]

Ball teacher need to go somewhere in here talking all of that nonsense and getting proven wrong. Is Derek Fisher not a PG? Was Tony Parker not a PG? Come in here talking about Shabazz was the starting PG during UConn's championship year with Kemba and then try to switch it up. Nobody care about your assumptions if you don't know what you're talking about and just spewing out your own irrational opinion.

I said Napier was the PG, I was wrong he wasnt starting, but I wasnt wrrng about him being the point and when he and Walker played together he wasnt the one who moved to the SG slot, it was Kemba. And what does Fisher and Parker have to do with Kemba? If you dont care about my "assumptions" then kindly keep it moving and dont reply. If you know basketball it's clear Kemba has work to do in order to be a elite Point guard with real point guard skills. If you disagree, thats your opinion and your entitled to it, no reason to get overly emotional and take this personal especially when this wasnt even a convo you were involved in.

You back?

What was Napier gonna play, SG? He was 5-11 and Kemba is 6-1. Add on top of that Kemba was the better shooter. That's like saying Deron Williams isn't a PG because he played with Dee Brown. You already admitted to not watching UConn and it's obvious that you didn't if you didn't know who was starting so shut up.

[mrknowitall215]

The definition of a point guard:

point guard noun
basketball : a player who is one of the two guards on a team and is the one most responsible for leading the team when it has the ball and is trying to score

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/point%20guard

point guard
n
(Team Sports / Basketball) Basketball
a. the position of the player responsible for directing the team's attacking play
b. a player in this position

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/point+guard

Do Kemba Walker not do these things? A point guard isn't defined by how close he can get to 10 assist per game, and a 10 assist per game point guard don't define a winning point guard, and vice versa

You pulled a dictionary passage to explain what a true point guard is? OK, you win.

I'm sorry, but there aren't many sources that clearly define the position besides what some of you typical people want to believe out of thin air