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Re: Our Franchise Direction? 

Post#106 » by fatlever » Sat Jul 27, 2013 2:41 am

anyone care to take a stab at projections for next year now that we know hendo is back?

im going out on a limb and suggestion it will be kemba, not jefferson who leads us in scoring.

walker: 18ppg, 6.5apg
jefferson: 17ppg, 8rpg
henderson: 14.5ppg
zeller: 11.5ppg, 7rpg
kidd-gilchrist: 11ppg, 6rpg

yup, thats all five starters in double-figures. balance scoring.
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Post#107 » by vorbis » Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:34 pm

here goes nothing

al jefferson - 17 ppg 9.5 rpg 2apg 49% FG
biyombo - 4ppg 8rpg 2bpg 46% FG
ben gordon - 8ppg 43% FG 42% 3FG
b haywood - nothing significant
henderson - 14ppg 3.5rpg 2apg 45% FG 33% 3FG
mkg - 10ppg 6.5rpg 46% FG 75% FT
mcroberts - 6ppg 5.5rpg 51% FG
sessions - 11ppg 4apg 43% FG 83% FT
taylor - 8ppg 44% FG 36% 3FG
kemba - 16ppg 6.5apg 3.5rpg 43% FG 33% 3FG 2+spg
zeller - 10ppg 7rpg 2apg 50% FG
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Re: Our Franchise Direction? 

Post#108 » by HornetJail » Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:05 pm

al - 18/10, 48%
biz - 5/7, 45%, 2 bpg
z-rex - 9/6, 46%
mcbob - 8/7, 3apg 46%
mkg - 12/6, 48%
jt - 7/2, 43%/40%
hendo - 16/4/3 - 48%/34%
kemba - 18/9/4/2 - 46%/36%
sessions - 12/3/5 - 44%

haywood, gordon, adrien,etc. produce negligible stats.
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Re: Our Franchise Direction? 

Post#109 » by LamarMatic7 » Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:00 am

fatlever wrote:anyone care to take a stab at projections for next year now that we know hendo is back?

im going out on a limb and suggestion it will be kemba, not jefferson who leads us in scoring.

walker: 18ppg, 6.5apg
jefferson: 17ppg, 8rpg
henderson: 14.5ppg
zeller: 11.5ppg, 7rpg
kidd-gilchrist: 11ppg, 6rpg

yup, thats all five starters in double-figures. balance scoring.

do you remember in which thread did we do projections before the last season started? I don't think that I ever took a lot at mine after the season. I probably predicted Sessions to average 6 points or something.
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Re: Our Franchise Direction? 

Post#110 » by jakenc » Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:35 pm

New to realgm here. I'll take a stab at it for the starters

Kemba: 16.5 ppg, 9 apg, 2.5 steals
Hendo: 17 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 3 apg
MKG: 13 ppg, 8 rpg
Zeller: 11 ppg, 7 rpg
Al: 19 ppg, 9 rpg, 2 apg

Kemba scores more efficiently, albeit slightly less. His assist numbers shoot up.
Henderson improves in his point output.
MKG makes strides, becoming a nightly double-double threat due to increased minutes.
Zeller performs well and competes for rookie of the year, probably with Oladipo as his main competition.
Al puts up pretty usual numbers by his standards, with a small increase in points.
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Re: Our Franchise Direction? 

Post#111 » by Snidely FC » Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:15 pm

I predict Al Jeff will "tweak" his knee in February, causing him to miss the rest of the season, causing the team to plummet into chaos and into one of the 3 worst records in the league.

Since we reversed our draft karma by signing Al Jeff thereby declaring to the NBA world that we are no longer trying to lose, we will then win the draft lottery and receive the #1 pick in the '14 draft.
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Re: Our Franchise Direction? 

Post#112 » by HornetJail » Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:26 pm

Snidely FC wrote:I predict Al Jeff will "tweak" his knee in February, causing him to miss the rest of the season, causing the team to plummet into chaos and into one of the 3 worst records in the league.

Since we reversed our draft karma by signing Al Jeff thereby declaring to the NBA world that we are no longer trying to lose, we will then win the draft lottery and receive the #1 pick in the '14 draft.

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Re: Our Franchise Direction? 

Post#113 » by lmcguir5 » Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:56 pm

Snidely FC wrote:I predict Al Jeff will "tweak" his knee in February, causing him to miss the rest of the season, causing the team to plummet into chaos and into one of the 3 worst records in the league.

Since we reversed our draft karma by signing Al Jeff thereby declaring to the NBA world that we are no longer trying to lose, we will then win the draft lottery and receive the #1 pick in the '14 draft.


Why the hell would you even joke about this?
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Re: Our Franchise Direction? 

Post#114 » by Snidely FC » Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:03 pm

Snidely FC wrote:I predict Al Jeff will not really injure his knee in February, causing him to sit on a beach in Hawaii the rest of the season. The Bobcats turn to former wrestling star, Butterbean, who leads them to a tenth place finish. CHA loses its first round pick to CHI.


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Re: Our Franchise Direction? 

Post#115 » by Liver_Pooty » Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:26 pm

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Snidely FC wrote:I predict Al Jeff will "tweak" his knee in February, causing him to miss the rest of the season, causing the team to plummet into chaos and into one of the 3 worst records in the league.

Since we reversed our draft karma by signing Al Jeff thereby declaring to the NBA world that we are no longer trying to lose, we will then win the draft lottery and receive the #1 pick in the '14 draft.


Why the hell would you even joke about this?


He obviously meant that we would go into all out tank mode to preserve a top pick. He wasn't implying that Jefferson will seriously get hurt. More along the lines of "my knee is sore" and miss 15 games when he very well could play.
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Post#116 » by Elden Payton » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:20 am

jakenc wrote:New to realgm here. I'll take a stab at it for the starters

Kemba: 16.5 ppg, 9 apg, 2.5 steals
Hendo: 17 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 3 apg
MKG: 13 ppg, 8 rpg
Zeller: 11 ppg, 7 rpg
Al: 19 ppg, 9 rpg, 2 apg

Kemba scores more efficiently, albeit slightly less. His assist numbers shoot up.
Henderson improves in his point output.
MKG makes strides, becoming a nightly double-double threat due to increased minutes.
Zeller performs well and competes for rookie of the year, probably with Oladipo as his main competition.
Al puts up pretty usual numbers by his standards, with a small increase in points.


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Post#117 » by mcaponi2 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:18 pm

Kemba: 16 ppg, 7.5 apg, 1.8 spg
Henderson: 13 ppg, 4 rpg, 2.5 apg
MKG: 14 ppg, 7 rpg, 1.5 spg
Zeller: 12 ppg, 8 rpg, 1 bpg
Jefferson: 18 ppg, 10 rpg, 1.4 bpg

Kemba: More offensive talent on the team means less shots but with Al to dish to down low and the development of MKG's shot his assists will see a nice bump with a possible all star nod
Henderson: I feel that he for the most part has reached his potential and he is not in the future plans of the hornets. See his points dipping a bit
MKG: He is the second coming of andre iguidola. Puts up a similar stat line. Has a major leap from year 1 to year 2
Zeller: Puts up a respectable stat line for a rookie big man. Contends for rookie of the year
Jefferson: This is a typical stat line you can expect of him
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Re: Our Franchise Direction? 

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Re: Our Franchise Direction? 

Post#119 » by JMAC3 » Sat Aug 3, 2013 4:40 am

This franchise's future pretty much boils down to one thing... and that is the development of MKG and Zeller. If one or both of these guys live up to their draft spot and develop into an NBA star or Allstar than we are going to be a playoff team for years.

However, if they both end up being just serviceable we may struggle to get out of the first round, but we can always make additions so no need to panic right now. I believe Kemba is going to be a borderline allstar for many years to come and Jefferson is going to be rock solid. It all rests on the young guys shoulders unless we somehow land another top 5 pick but that has been talked about forward and backwards enough for now.

If MKG develops an effective offensive game and we utilize Zeller correctly we could be a dangerous team. I know its hard to imagine us being better than teams like the Knicks and Pacers now, but I do not think it is as far away as some imagine. Nobody thought the Pacers were going to be in the Eastern Conference finals at the end of last year or the Grizzlies to be this good.

We have more than enough raw talent, its just about learning how to win, meshing as a team, and finally being coached how to play competitive baskeball on both ends of the floor.
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Post#120 » by Liver_Pooty » Sat Aug 3, 2013 5:24 am

JMAC3 wrote:This franchise's future pretty much boils down to one thing... and that is the development of MKG and Zeller. If one or both of these guys live up to their draft spot and develop into an NBA star or Allstar than we are going to be a playoff team for years.

However, if they both end up being just serviceable we may struggle to get out of the first round, but we can always make additions so no need to panic right now. I believe Kemba is going to be a borderline allstar for many years to come and Jefferson is going to be rock solid. It all rests on the young guys shoulders unless we somehow land another top 5 pick but that has been talked about forward and backwards enough for now.

If MKG develops an effective offensive game and we utilize Zeller correctly we could be a dangerous team. I know its hard to imagine us being better than teams like the Knicks and Pacers now, but I do not think it is as far away as some imagine. Nobody thought the Pacers were going to be in the Eastern Conference finals at the end of last year or the Grizzlies to be this good.

We have more than enough raw talent, its just about learning how to win, meshing as a team, and finally being coached how to play competitive baskeball on both ends of the floor.


I think we can make a Pacers like run in the '14-15 season. I'm very, very high on Zeller. I think he's the key
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Re: Our Franchise Direction? 

Post#121 » by LamarMatic7 » Sat Aug 3, 2013 12:56 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:I think we can make a Pacers like run in the '14-15 season. I'm very, very high on Zeller. I think he's the key

Don't you think that's a year too early? I think an '09 Bulls type of series (3-4 against the Celtics, tons of overtimes) where we give the high seed one helluva tough series and then a run during the '15-16 season is more likely.
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Post#122 » by Liver_Pooty » Sat Aug 3, 2013 4:26 pm

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Liver_Pooty wrote:I think we can make a Pacers like run in the '14-15 season. I'm very, very high on Zeller. I think he's the key

Don't you think that's a year too early? I think an '09 Bulls type of series (3-4 against the Celtics, tons of overtimes) where we give the high seed one helluva tough series and then a run during the '15-16 season is more likely.


By '15-16 season I hope were doing a lot more than giving a high seed a run for their money. I'd like to at least be a mid 4-5 seed by then. That'd by the 5th year of our rebuild.
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Post#123 » by HornetJail » Sat Aug 3, 2013 7:46 pm

I think it all depends on what we do this year. If we make a run to the playoffs as a 7-8 seed and only receive, say the 12th pick from Detroit then I think we could make a run into the 2nd round or push a good team to 6 or 7 games in 2015, and then work towards the CFs from there. I think we have a better shot of being legit contenders if we wait another year on the playoffs, stay in the lottery in 2014 and grab a top 7 pick along with Detroit, I guess the plan gets pushed back a year but I think the team would have a higher ceiling. I'd say this team peaks around '17-'18.
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Post#124 » by amcoolio » Sat Aug 3, 2013 8:23 pm

I feel really good about Kemba and MKG being fringe/allstar players. Kemba just has "it"...MKG has a great NBA body, talent, and works really hard.

I feel really good about Zeller but obviously need to see more.

I feel good about Taylor being a great role player that would get minutes on a championship team. I would bench Gordon all year and give all the backup 2/3 minutes to Taylor.

I am starting to get uneasy on Bismack, but its probably good that he doesn't break out until after his 2nd contract, so we can resign on him on the cheap. Still some of his best games came in his rookie season, so there needs to be improvement this year.

I think Henderson is a stop gap player and I have a really hard time seeing he'll improve over what he is now. His spot in the starting lineup will be replaced by our '14 pick, if we suck, no matter who it is.

I am still so/so on Jefferson signing. I would have preferred one more year of tank, but I know we can't lose Kemba and it was a move to show Kemba we are willing to win.

Honestly if we keep the team as is we should be in the playoffs in a few years....But MJ/Cho wanted a championship-caliber team so getting one of Wiggins/Randle/Parker/Gordon makes more sense
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Post#125 » by LamarMatic7 » Sat Aug 3, 2013 8:31 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
LamarMatic7 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:I think we can make a Pacers like run in the '14-15 season. I'm very, very high on Zeller. I think he's the key

Don't you think that's a year too early? I think an '09 Bulls type of series (3-4 against the Celtics, tons of overtimes) where we give the high seed one helluva tough series and then a run during the '15-16 season is more likely.


By '15-16 season I hope were doing a lot more than giving a high seed a run for their money. I'd like to at least be a mid 4-5 seed by then. That'd by the 5th year of our rebuild.

That's what I meant. A run for their money in 14-15, a Pacers type of run in 15-16.

Although I have to say, guys, be prepared to have your heart broken. I can easily imagine us also not making the post-season until 2016. I think it's a bit early to talk about reaching the conference finals, Gilwalker.
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