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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#2001 » by Braggins » Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:01 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:
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My sentiment for Jefferson is that he's a important cog on a team like ours that's void of talent, and that we could win with him if he's held accountable and strategically used the right way, and trading him for nothing won't make us any better. His contract expire in 2016, and he has the option to opt out after this season. I wouldn't be interested in re-signing him if he opt out, but for now I'm willing to let him live --- as in be a part of our team without it effecting me much outside of the way he's used

His on-court/off-court statistics before his injury as well as our offensive and defensive rating since Al's injury show that we are clearly substantially better without him. The eye test says the same thing in my opinion. I think he could be a deadly weapon as a backup center but I don't think there is any chance Al would accept that role and I really don't see Clifford asking him to take on that role since Clifford is probably his biggest fan in the entire world. As long as he is here he is going to be our starter playing 30-35 minutes per game doing nothing but camping out in the post calling for the ball. It is just who he is. I wish that weren't that case and hope that somehow it changes but I just don't see it.


In my eyes, there is no before the injury, because I believe he's been hampered all season whether it's been bad conditioning or a groin pull. I've mentioned it on several occasions that I'm surprised that Clifford has been riding him so much instead of playing Biyombo longer stints when it was clear that he wasn't physically able early in the season

If we're going to use last year outliers & on-court/off-court statistics this year, do the same apply for Lance Stephenson?

Lance is still young and who he will be as a player has yet to be decided. Al is an old dog that is clearly on the decline. I understand the sentiment for wanting Lance gone and the main reason I don't want to trade him yet is because his value is as low as it will ever be. We aren't going to get a good trade for him and it is still possible he could get his stuff together and be a great fit for us. It probably won't happen but even if it doesn't he will still have more trade value next season than he does now simply due to his contract.
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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#2002 » by fatlever » Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:07 am

huge difference between the al jefferson that was on fire the 2nd half of last season and the al jefferson we saw for the first two months of this season. i was OK with al last year. i spent most of the year defending him and the signing. his defense was bad but it didnt make me want to get angry. i've pretty much dont a complete 180 on jefferson this year. he looks so slow and lethargic. his offense is far away from what it was last year and his defense fell off a cliff. whether he was never fully healthy or never fully in shape, its clear he's not the same player as last year. to make matters worse, or roster is even less suited for him this year.

that being said, i still think he has tremendous value as a player, if used properly. however, i fear that clifford puts al on a pedestal above the others on the team. i dont think clifford has the guts to force al to play the way we need him to play or hold him accountable.
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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#2003 » by mrknowitall215 » Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:09 am

MasterIchiro wrote:The Mavericks of all teams, were interested in both Al and Lance as free agents. We signed Al before they could and they swiped Parsons before Lance could sign. For such a smart organization, they dodged 2 bullets. If they ended up with those players, both would be on the market turned into something better.


The Spurs were interested in Jefferson, but weren't willing to trade much but Stephen Jackson and Cory Joseph for him then before he hit the free-agent market and we signed him because we allegedly overpaid & made him feel wanted. I wonder if the Spurs would be interested in trading us Tiago Splitter for Jefferson. They make about the same coin and are around the same age

If the Spurs were willing, would you take Splitter for Jefferson?
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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#2004 » by Braggins » Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:12 am

fatlever wrote:huge difference between the al jefferson that was on fire the 2nd half of last season and the al jefferson we saw for the first two months of this season. i was OK with al last year. i spent most of the year defending him and the signing. his defense was bad but it didnt make me want to get angry. i've pretty much dont a complete 180 on jefferson this year. he looks so slow and lethargic. his offense is far away from what it was last year and his defense fell off a cliff. whether he was never fully healthy or never fully in shape, its clear he's not the same player as last year. to make matters worse, or roster is even less suited for him this year.

that being said, i still think he has tremendous value as a player, if used properly. however, i fear that clifford puts al on a pedestal above the others on the team. i dont think clifford has the guts to force al to play the way we need him to play or hold him accountable.

I agree with all of this. Ive never liked Al's game but he was getting it done last year. I think using Al as a 6th man could actually propel this team to what we all thought we would be this year but I dont think Clifford is going to go that route.
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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#2005 » by fatlever » Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:14 am

anyone have any good suggestions for the name of the next jefferson thread? i'm not feeling such a positive title for him right now. he needs to re-earn the right to have a positive title.

cement shoes - the al jefferson thread
slip the pick - the al jefferson thread
**** defense - the al jefferson thread
suck my D..rtg - the al jefferson thread
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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#2006 » by Braggins » Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:16 am

Born Heavy - The Al Jefferson thread?

That might be too mean.
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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#2007 » by mrknowitall215 » Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:17 am

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fatlever wrote:huge difference between the al jefferson that was on fire the 2nd half of last season and the al jefferson we saw for the first two months of this season. i was OK with al last year. i spent most of the year defending him and the signing. his defense was bad but it didnt make me want to get angry. i've pretty much dont a complete 180 on jefferson this year. he looks so slow and lethargic. his offense is far away from what it was last year and his defense fell off a cliff. whether he was never fully healthy or never fully in shape, its clear he's not the same player as last year. to make matters worse, or roster is even less suited for him this year.

that being said, i still think he has tremendous value as a player, if used properly. however, i fear that clifford puts al on a pedestal above the others on the team. i dont think clifford has the guts to force al to play the way we need him to play or hold him accountable.

I agree with all of this. Ive never liked Al's game but he was getting it done last year. I think using Al as a 6th man could actually propel this team to what we all thought we would be this year but I dont think Clifford is going to go that route.


If you agreed with this, then you agreed with everything I said except for my belief that Jefferson is a better defender than Monroe
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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#2008 » by Braggins » Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:25 am

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fatlever wrote:huge difference between the al jefferson that was on fire the 2nd half of last season and the al jefferson we saw for the first two months of this season. i was OK with al last year. i spent most of the year defending him and the signing. his defense was bad but it didnt make me want to get angry. i've pretty much dont a complete 180 on jefferson this year. he looks so slow and lethargic. his offense is far away from what it was last year and his defense fell off a cliff. whether he was never fully healthy or never fully in shape, its clear he's not the same player as last year. to make matters worse, or roster is even less suited for him this year.

that being said, i still think he has tremendous value as a player, if used properly. however, i fear that clifford puts al on a pedestal above the others on the team. i dont think clifford has the guts to force al to play the way we need him to play or hold him accountable.

I agree with all of this. Ive never liked Al's game but he was getting it done last year. I think using Al as a 6th man could actually propel this team to what we all thought we would be this year but I dont think Clifford is going to go that route.


If you agreed with this, then you agreed with everything I said except for my belief that Jefferson is a better defender than Monroe

I usually agree with you :wink: I guess the difference is that I dont think Al would accept being a 6th man due to his attitude and I dont think Clifford would ever ask him to. He has clearly regressed and I dont think we'll ever see that Al again. I just want him gone because I think he is terrible for this team as a focal point that our entire strategy is based on.
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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#2009 » by JDR720 » Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:31 am

Fat Albatross: The Al Jefferson Thread
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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#2010 » by JDR720 » Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:32 am

Big Al Ain't: The Al Jefferson Thread
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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#2011 » by MasterIchiro » Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:05 pm

Can't See My Pecker Any More - The Big Al Thread

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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#2012 » by BeesWax » Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:40 pm

Watching paint dry - the Al jefferson thread
Snail man - the Al jefferson thread
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Post#2013 » by tondi123 » Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:52 pm

Defense is for bench players - The Al Jefferson Thread
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Post#2014 » by BobsBuddy » Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:16 pm

:droop: :eek1: :eek2: :gossip: :no: How quickly you forget what Al Did for us last season.
If we do trade him ,we need to get value in return.
Trade checker 6557452 Lamb,Collison and Perkins expiring For Al,Max,JT
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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#2015 » by fatlever » Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:33 pm

JDR720 wrote:Fat Albatross: The Al Jefferson Thread


:lol: That's the funniest thing I've seen in weeks. Well done JD. Hilarious.
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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#2016 » by fatlever » Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:08 pm

jdm3 wrote:Watching paint dry - the Al jefferson thread
Snail man - the Al jefferson thread


i like both of these as well.
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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#2017 » by Benjamin Linus » Sat Jan 17, 2015 6:18 pm

Wait, we could have signed Paul Millsap for $4 million less per year?? - The Al Jefferson Thread
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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#2018 » by Eoghan » Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:34 pm

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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#2019 » by Braggins » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:27 am

I hope I'm wrong, but I swear I heard one of our announcers say that Al was possibly returning Wednesday against Miami.
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Re: Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#2020 » by LamarMatic7 » Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:45 am

Braggins wrote:I hope I'm wrong, but I swear I heard one of our announcers say that Al was possibly returning Wednesday against Miami.

I saw something similar on twitter as well. It definitely is a thing.
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