Fake Trade Thread III

Post #1 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 2:22 pm

Please post all fake trades here so that our board is not littered with dozens of awful fantasy trades. The only time a thread should be created to discuss trades is when there are credible rumors of a trade involving the Bobcats or an actual trade.

Thanks

Carry on.

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Post #2 » by **Diop** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 2:40 pm

Trade this \ /

Post #3 » by **FNQ** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 2:42 pm

Sachmo, referencing your post from the now closed thread, there's no way the Warriors would include Klay to dump Bogut. Bogut should be able to net cap space by himself - he's a quality C when healthy and is a very low risk move, and really only costs an opportunity to jump into (IMO) overpriced free agency.

Post #4 » by **Diop** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 2:58 pm

I agree, I didn't believe it possible but someone offered bogut and klay to take dicky Jefferson, I don't think it would happen but if it did, I would do it.

Liver_Pooty · Post #5 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 3:04 am

David Aldridge tweeted that he can't see us keeping Haywood. Doubt we could get anything of significance for him, though.

Logander · Post #6 » by **Logander** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 3:12 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:David Aldridge tweeted that he can't see us keeping Haywood. Doubt we could get anything of significance for him, though.

I'm trying to figure out who would want him. It would have to be a tanking team to take up cap room until next year when his contract runs out. Maybe Phoenix, Cleveland, or Detroit. Not sure what they would give us though. Maybe just come cash, idk.

Post #7 » by **fatlever** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 3:21 am

not sure what motivation the cats would have for trading him. he is a smart vet. seems like a solid locker room guy. he is on a cheap deal for us. he is NC native. he has already started his broadcasting career here on the local radio station. he seems content in his role here.

Snidely FC · Post #8 » by **Snidely FC** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 3:51 am

Don't we need to cut about 2 million to pay Hendo + McBob?

Post #9 » by **fatlever** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 3:55 am

Snidely FC wrote:Don't we need to cut about 2 million to pay Hendo + McBob?

we can go over cap to resign hendo. just not sure we want to.

HornetJail · Post #10 » by **HornetJail** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 4:02 am

Hendo's cap hold is 7-something, so unless we sign him for significantly less money and before McBob signs, we'd need to either shed a little salary or just offer McBob the room exception of 2.5M, which I think should be enough to retain. If I remember correctly, Orlando was considering waiving him before they traded him to us. He'd likely be looking for work overseas right now if it wasn't for us. I don't know how many GMs even care about a role player for the lowly Bobcats.

JMAC3 · Post #11 » by **JMAC3** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 4:06 am

fatlever wrote:
Snidely FC wrote:Don't we need to cut about 2 million to pay Hendo + McBob?

we can go over cap to resign hendo. just not sure we want to.

The tax is not that bad if your barely over right...
This is the only part that confuses me about the cap. How can teams like the Knicks and Lakers can keep on signing guys... How is their cap sooo much higher than ours???

So if we are capped out with Jefferson and lets say we sign Paul George( I know we won't) just as an example... we could still pay Kemba, MKG, Biz good money because they are all restricted... we would just have to pay tax, but we would be able to exceed cap to spend on them....

JMAC3 · Post #12 » by **JMAC3** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 4:07 am

JMAC3 wrote:
fatlever wrote:
Snidely FC wrote:Don't we need to cut about 2 million to pay Hendo + McBob?

we can go over cap to resign hendo. just not sure we want to.

The tax is not that bad if your barely over right...
This is the only part that confuses me about the cap. How can teams like the Knicks and Lakers can keep on signing guys... How is their cap sooo much higher than ours???

So if we are capped out with Jefferson and lets say we sign Paul George( I know we won't) just as an example... we could still pay Kemba, MKG, Biz good money because they are all restricted... we would just have to pay tax, but we would be able to exceed cap to spend on them....

And wont we be able to add somebody with our mid-level exception???? I know every other team can do this...

HornetJail · Post #13 » by **HornetJail** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 4:18 am

JMAC3 wrote:And wont we be able to add somebody with our mid-level exception???? I know every other team can do this...

We would have the room exception of 2.5M.

Logander · Post #14 » by **Logander** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 4:20 am

JMAC3 wrote:
fatlever wrote:
Snidely FC wrote:Don't we need to cut about 2 million to pay Hendo + McBob?

we can go over cap to resign hendo. just not sure we want to.

The tax is not that bad if your barely over right...
This is the only part that confuses me about the cap. How can teams like the Knicks and Lakers can keep on signing guys... How is their cap sooo much higher than ours???

So if we are capped out with Jefferson and lets say we sign Paul George( I know we won't) just as an example... we could still pay Kemba, MKG, Biz good money because they are all restricted... we would just have to pay tax, but we would be able to exceed cap to spend on them....

I think you have to pay double whatever you are over, then the league divvies up that money and gives it to the teams that are below the cap. Er, at least I think that's what it is.

James Gatz · Post #15 » by **James Gatz** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 4:26 am

JMAC3 wrote:
fatlever wrote:
Snidely FC wrote:Don't we need to cut about 2 million to pay Hendo + McBob?

we can go over cap to resign hendo. just not sure we want to.

The tax is not that bad if your barely over right...
This is the only part that confuses me about the cap. How can teams like the Knicks and Lakers can keep on signing guys... How is their cap sooo much higher than ours???

So if we are capped out with Jefferson and lets say we sign Paul George( I know we won't) just as an example... we could still pay Kemba, MKG, Biz good money because they are all restricted... we would just have to pay tax, but we would be able to exceed cap to spend on them....

If we resigned Hendo and McBob we could potentially be over the soft cap but not even close to lux tax.

NBA teams being told PROJECTED luxury-tax threshold for next season:$71.6 million. Reminder: Projections not binding until full July audit
Confirming @ESPNSteinLine tweet — league’s projected cap/tax for 2013-14 is currently $58.5M & $71.6M. For 2014-15 it’s $62.1M & $75.7M.

http://fansided.com/2013/06/03/projecte ... announced/

JMAC3 · Post #16 » by **JMAC3** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 4:26 am

What is the difference between the mid-level exception and the room exception

JMAC3 · Post #17 » by **JMAC3** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 4:33 am

James Gatz wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:
fatlever wrote:

we can go over cap to resign hendo. just not sure we want to.

The tax is not that bad if your barely over right...
This is the only part that confuses me about the cap. How can teams like the Knicks and Lakers can keep on signing guys... How is their cap sooo much higher than ours???

So if we are capped out with Jefferson and lets say we sign Paul George( I know we won't) just as an example... we could still pay Kemba, MKG, Biz good money because they are all restricted... we would just have to pay tax, but we would be able to exceed cap to spend on them....

If we resigned Hendo and McBob we could potentially be over the soft cap but not even close to lux tax.

NBA teams being told PROJECTED luxury-tax threshold for next season:$71.6 million. Reminder: Projections not binding until full July audit
Confirming @ESPNSteinLine tweet — league’s projected cap/tax for 2013-14 is currently $58.5M & $71.6M. For 2014-15 it’s $62.1M & $75.7M.

http://fansided.com/2013/06/03/projecte ... announced/

So is there any penalty for being at 70 million in payroll.... why cant we just break the soft cap?

HornetJail · Post #18 » by **HornetJail** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 4:34 am

JMAC3 wrote:What is the difference between the mid-level exception and the room exception

MLE is only given to teams that started the offseason with no cap space or not enough to sign anything significant. You waive the MLE once you sign a free agent with your cap space, like we did with Jefferson. Now all we have to offer is money to our guys with bird rights (Hendo, Mullens, McBob, though I'm sure we had to renounce one of them to sign Al), guys on minimum contracts, and the room exception of 2.5M for two years.

The MLE is much bigger, closer to 5.2M/yr and you can offer up to four years.

Logander · Post #19 » by **Logander** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 4:35 am

JMAC3 wrote:What is the difference between the mid-level exception and the room exception

The Mid level exception pretty much is if a team doesn't have any cap room the league will grant you a max 5mil for the next 3 or 4 years as long as the team hadn't paid the luxury tax the year before or somethiing. I think all the room exception is, is a lesser version of the Mid-Level, whereas you get 2.5mil to spend over 2 years rather than the 5. And I think its used for if you still need more players on your team but have no money to do it. But since you have to have 12 players on a team they do that for you.

James Gatz · Post #20 » by **James Gatz** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 4:35 am

So is there any penalty for being at 70 million in payroll.... why cant we just break the soft cap?

We can. As long as it's with our own FAs. Not sure if we've got McBob's bird rights but as long as we sign him before Hendo we can easily keep both.