Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1

Post #901 » by **yosemiteben** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:46 pm

JDuaneWayne wrote:What about MKG for anything the Raptors have and their 1st, they're looking for SF help according to rumors.

Highly, highly doubt it. Maybe JVal if our FO likes him. That's pretty much it. Your 1st is not all that valuable, and we aren't trading MKG for depth.

Post #902 » by **JDR720** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:49 pm

Mkg doesn't have much value.

Would think about Mkg for Powell or poeltl and a 1st.

Toronto would need to dump a contract to make room tho.

Post #903 » by **yosemiteben** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:52 pm

JDR720 wrote:Mkg doesn't have much value.

He clearly does to our FO and coaching staff. Do you disagree? He's 3rd in minutes this season and leads the team in rebounding.

We aren't going to move him just to move him.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #904 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:54 pm

Braggins wrote:
fatlever wrote:Would you trade for KCP knowing it might take 20 mil per this summer to lock him up

Cho has been very consistently good at signing players for less than they could have gotten. Even the Batum and Marv deals that we aren't really happy with were at least slight relative discounts. I'm not sure if less than half a season would be enough to get KCP to buy into our franchise that hard, but who knows, maybe Cho could lock him down for 16-18? It might not actually matter with our cap situation already being kind of bleak.

KCP is basically a younger and better version of Courtney Lee. Seems like hed be fantastic for us.

Part of the reason I think that Cho has been able to do this is due to long term culture. The players who have been drafted and played here the longest are the ones on the best deals. Players that have come over on trades have rarely looked to sign the same kinds of team friendly deals. Witness Al, Nic, Marvin, etc. While some of those guys did the team a *little* favor, they were after the $.

Braggins · Post #905 » by **Braggins** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:57 pm

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zxwrm7d

Probably the most realistic scenario if we were to trade for KCP. We might have to give up a non zero number of 2nds. This gives us fantastic center depth, which will be important if we are trying to dig out of the hole we are in with injuries to Zeller and Plumlee. Jon Leuer also works in place of Boban, but I doubt Detroit would do that. Leuer is a great fit for them and on a reasonable contract, whereas Boban is kind of a luxury as they already have Drummond and Baynes.

Kemba/Sessions(Collinson)/Roberts
KCP/Beli/Graham
Batum/Lamb
Marv/Frank/Wood
Cody/Plumlee/Boban

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hynv6w9
Trading for Reggie Jackson is super risky, but this trade has the potential to solve our backup PG issue while also improving our starting lineup. Detroit gets quite a bit worse in the short term, but they save a ton of cap space and facilitate a mini-tank. I'm guessing we might have to throw in at least a 2nd round pick and theres a decent chance Detroit would want Lamb or Belinelli instead of Sessions. This is intriguing, none the less.

Kemba/Jackson/Roberts
KCP/Beli/Graham
Batum/Lamb
Marv/Frank/Wood
Cody/Plumlee/Tobey

Post #906 » by **JDR720** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:59 pm

Jackson won't backup anyone, its why he wanted to leave okc

Post #907 » by **JDR720** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:01 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
JDR720 wrote:Mkg doesn't have much value.

He clearly does to our FO and coaching staff. Do you disagree? He's 3rd in minutes this season and leads the team in rebounding.

We aren't going to move him just to move him.

He can have value to our fo and staff, but his league value is pretty low.

Post #908 » by **yosemiteben** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:09 pm

JDR720 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
JDR720 wrote:Mkg doesn't have much value.

He clearly does to our FO and coaching staff. Do you disagree? He's 3rd in minutes this season and leads the team in rebounding.

We aren't going to move him just to move him.

He can have value to our fo and staff, but his league value is pretty low.

Don't disagree, just not sure how that's relevant for the question by a TOR fan of what they would have to offer to get MKG.

Post #909 » by **fatlever** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:22 pm

MKG

for

Joseph + Sullinger + 2017 1st (would be better of Raptors or Clippers, lower of two headed to Orlando, I think)

Joseph has 2 years after this year at 7-8 mil per. Sullinger is free agent this summer. Basically its Joseph and a late 1st for MKG.

Meh.

Post #910 » by **fatlever** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:24 pm

Maybe Cho could get clever and pry Powell away from Raptors in a similar deal, although Raptor fans talk about Powell as if he's the 2nd coming of Roddy Beaubois.

Post #911 » by **fatlever** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:25 pm

But MKG next to Derozan... talk about space killers. Yikes. Lowry would constantly have to navigate through a minefield of defenders.

pantalones · Post #912 » by **pantalones** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:25 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
JDR720 wrote:Mkg doesn't have much value.

He clearly does to our FO and coaching staff. Do you disagree? He's 3rd in minutes this season and leads the team in rebounding.

We aren't going to move him just to move him.

So did Plumlee. The Hornets front office is not a paragon of wisdom and foresight.

Post #913 » by **yosemiteben** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:28 pm

pantalones wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
JDR720 wrote:Mkg doesn't have much value.

He clearly does to our FO and coaching staff. Do you disagree? He's 3rd in minutes this season and leads the team in rebounding.

We aren't going to move him just to move him.

So did Plumlee. The Hornets front office is not a paragon of wisdom and foresight.

Again, that is irrelevant. TOR fan came in asking what they would have to offer to get MKG. To answer that, you have to be thinking about what our FO thinks of MKG.

JDuaneWayne · Post #914 » by **JDuaneWayne** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:37 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
JDR720 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:He clearly does to our FO and coaching staff. Do you disagree? He's 3rd in minutes this season and leads the team in rebounding.

We aren't going to move him just to move him.

He can have value to our fo and staff, but his league value is pretty low.

Don't disagree, just not sure how that's relevant for the question by a TOR fan of what they would have to offer to get MKG.

I'm not a Toronto fan, I used to post on here a bit until MasterIchiro hijacked every post with his ideas.

I used to have hope for MKG but I think at this point he is what he is and doesn't fit the team.

Post #915 » by **yosemiteben** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:42 pm

JDuaneWayne wrote:I'm not a Toronto fan, I used to post on here a bit until MasterIchiro hijacked every post with his ideas.

Oh whoops, my bad, I thought you were a TOR fan just kicking tires on MKG.

Looks like everyone else was on point and I wasn't.

pantalones · Post #916 » by **pantalones** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:01 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
pantalones wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:He clearly does to our FO and coaching staff. Do you disagree? He's 3rd in minutes this season and leads the team in rebounding.

We aren't going to move him just to move him.

So did Plumlee. The Hornets front office is not a paragon of wisdom and foresight.

Again, that is irrelevant. TOR fan came in asking what they would have to offer to get MKG. To answer that, you have to be thinking about what our FO thinks of MKG.

I see. I thought you were holding them up as an example of forward thinking insight.

HornetJail · Post #917 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:43 am

fatlever wrote:MKG

for

Joseph + Sullinger + 2017 1st (would be better of Raptors or Clippers, lower of two headed to Orlando, I think)

Joseph has 2 years after this year at 7-8 mil per. Sullinger is free agent this summer. Basically its Joseph and a late 1st for MKG.

Meh.

how on earth does this make us better? You don't think the 25th pick is worth that much do you?

Post #918 » by **fatlever** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:11 am

MotorKeepsGoing wrote:
fatlever wrote:MKG

for

Joseph + Sullinger + 2017 1st (would be better of Raptors or Clippers, lower of two headed to Orlando, I think)

Joseph has 2 years after this year at 7-8 mil per. Sullinger is free agent this summer. Basically its Joseph and a late 1st for MKG.

Meh.

how on earth does this make us better? You don't think the 25th pick is worth that much do you?

I was just spitballing some kind of trade with the Raptors, per previous discussion. I'm not really a fan, hence the "meh". I do think Joseph is a quality rotation guard that would fix our backup PG issues as well as a combo guard to play next to Kemba. The Raptors pick is currently 21.

euphorbus · Post #919 » by **euphorbus** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:15 am

I have seen a bit of Corey Joseph this season. He is a good, heady team player. I doubt the Raptors would let him go for that reason. Plus, he is Canadian.

euphorbus · Post #920 » by **euphorbus** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:00 pm

What I find strange is that so many of the players who are getting moved or rumored to be traded are traditional centers. It appears that coaches and front offices almost are giving up on a lot of these players: Cousins, Drummond, Hibbert, Brooks Lopez, Miles Plumlee. Their stats or history seem not to matter at this point, although of course Hibbert was a veteran "project."