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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#1261 » by EmpireFalls » Thu Apr 25, 2024 8:49 pm

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bravor wrote:Not sure if he will maintain his name in this draft, but we have another promising prospect that just declared for 2024th draft. His name is Mohamed Diawara.
I like him quite a lot, even though he's not a scorer, but he has a pretty high potential as main defender/point forward. He only needs playing time to expand his game on offense (the shooting improving this year being a good thing). His team defense/individual defense are already legit, as his toughness and basket IQ.

I doubt he maintains his name though, he should be 1st round material, esp. in such a weak draft.


Curious on your take on Risacher vs. Saluan - for the life of me I don't see why there's so much separation - Saluan seems like just as good a prospect with arguably better defense and shot (and obviously super athletic).

I’m completely unconvinced that Salaun can actually play basketball, but I agree he has a higher “ceiling” than Risacher.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#1262 » by GoBobs » Fri Apr 26, 2024 10:12 pm

I have a feeling that we are going to end up picking 5th. It seems like 2 teams move up a little every year and we have already had our turn a couple times lately.

Assuming that your top 4 get picked by other teams who are you grabbing with that 5th pick?

In other words if the top 9 are like Sarr, Risacher, Castle, Buzelis, Topic, Holland, Dillingham, Sheppard, and Clingan. Which of those are your bottom 4?
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#1263 » by amcoolio » Fri Apr 26, 2024 11:01 pm

Bottom of that bunch:
9. Buzelis (hard to tell because lol-ignite but just isn't good at much to warrant a top 6 pick)
8. Castle (if you can't shoot you can't play. Best you can hope for is a 20 min off the bench defensive guard like Okoro and nope I do not want that in the lottery)
7. Dillingham (not a bad prospect but a little too Terry Rozierish and poor defensively)
6. I guess gun to my head I would put Sheppard here, but I would be excited to draft him I think. Sneaky good on defense and a ridiculous shooter, I can see him in play in crunch time

I've come around on Clingan after watching Hartenstein in the playoffs, Clingan projects to be better and improves the team's floor dramatically especially with Mark Williams never playing. I would probably take Clingan over Holland but would gamble on Sarr, Risacher and Topic first.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#1264 » by bravor » Sat Apr 27, 2024 3:00 pm

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bravor wrote:Not sure if he will maintain his name in this draft, but we have another promising prospect that just declared for 2024th draft. His name is Mohamed Diawara.
I like him quite a lot, even though he's not a scorer, but he has a pretty high potential as main defender/point forward. He only needs playing time to expand his game on offense (the shooting improving this year being a good thing). His team defense/individual defense are already legit, as his toughness and basket IQ.

I doubt he maintains his name though, he should be 1st round material, esp. in such a weak draft.


Curious on your take on Risacher vs. Saluan - for the life of me I don't see why there's so much separation - Saluan seems like just as good a prospect with arguably better defense and shot (and obviously super athletic).

I’m completely unconvinced that Salaun can actually play basketball, but I agree he has a higher “ceiling” than Risacher.


I actually think the opposite.

I tend to think Risacher has a good chance to become a decent glue guy while i just see some role player duties for Salaun.

Both are had workers, both from families where basketball has always been a thing at the highest level (at least here), but if i had to chose the highest potential, it would be Risacher. he improved quite a lot this year after a year during which he barely played because of his situation at Asvel. With Bourg he has been able to develop as a solid (if not a key) piece.
He seems to be more versatile for me, knowing he's lacking power to match with the most powerful wings in the nba. Otoh, he can give them fit with his off the ball/iq basket. As long as he's not passive (i used to compare him with Batum on other topics here, saying he would be an 'agressive Batum', but he is still lacking in terms of versatility in defense and his passing is quite below Batum's).

Salaun for now is more a spot on shooter (and quite consistent in a pro league at his age, he has hit many clutch shots already incl. some against my home team) for me. And i only see the potential in offense for him. Maybe i am wrong (and i was with Gobert back in time). Hard for me to find a true comparison (he's not David Lee material, nor Teletovic, maybe some Ryan Anderson comparison would be good as as i see him mostly as a perimeter tweener).
He's fast and moves well to find open spot/open teamates but his game would be more efficient in a jump shooting team (like gsw if they are still a thing).

and to be honnest, even if i dont think they will be busts, i would not bet anything that any of our prospect this year can remain in the nba after their rookie contract (for those who will get one).
I would think they would be first rounder but not necessary lottery picks in a normal draft.

Abt Diawara, i will try to find some videos. Basically, in our young nt he was the leader of the defense in his category. he joined Paris after 3 years at insep (our federal elite multisport center), which won the eurocup (against Risacher's team in finale) this year, but Diawara was on loan in second division. His biggest weakness for now is his lack of leadership and his deferent side. He should be some sort of Siskauskas prospect (a great lithuanian point forward we had in the Euroleague more than a decade ago). In offense he should be able to provide what some guys like O Neal can do (at worst, and with a better court vision/playmaking). Defensively, he can do much better (he's taller and his wingspan seems good for the nba but we dont have the measurments you guys have).

I did not speak abt Ajinca's cousin who should get drafted in the second round. He used to play with both Coulibaly and Victor in young categories, and he was the 'clutch ' guy of the team. He has some decent potential as a 3D, but he needs to polish his game

Zach Perrin is another guy that might be in this draft. Solid pf/c even though he needs to be more consistent in offense to have a role (but he has good fundamentals, incl a back to he basket game, just need quicker and better decision/shot making). His ncaa experience has been very short, but he bounced back already and is proving he has a pretty good future as a pro. Since nba is all about potential, i doubt he can be anything else than a late 2nd.

Anyway, i doubt any frenchie is drafted by Charlotte this year, which is a good thing (for you and out nt).
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#1265 » by MPM » Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:28 pm

bravor wrote:Anyway, i doubt any frenchie is drafted by Charlotte this year, which is a good thing (for you and out nt).


Wow, man. Appreciate the detailed breakdown. Great read. I'm with you - I don't want either, but based on game footage, I was thinking I'd have a coin flip if I was forced to decide between the two, which just isn't jibing with Risacher's high mocks.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#1266 » by Snidely FC » Mon Apr 29, 2024 1:07 pm

With the incredible amount of NIL money circulating in college basketball's free agency market (surpassing seven figures for top players in some cases), many high-major college basketball programs proudly say they are able to make offers competitive with NBA two-way contracts -- which will be worth up to $580,000 next season -- which could force difficult decisions for players not currently projected as first-round or top-40 picks.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#1267 » by JMAC3 » Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:57 pm

Saluan is super raw, but he is a legit 6-10 with a powerful frame and what appears to be a massive wingspan. He is just 18 yrs old too, so good chance he isn't done growing and I could see him having a Scottie Barnes, Giannis, Aaron Gordon type of bodies that just bullies guys. The Shot looks better than those 3 at 18 too, so if the body and feel for the game develops he could be the best player form this class.

His blocks and steals are surprisingly low and that has me lower on him because at his size and speed he should be more impactful there.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#1268 » by JustBuzzin » Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:39 am

My top 3 as of right now.


Sarr/Castle/Risacher
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#1269 » by GoBobs » Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:37 pm

Looking back at some previous drafts confirmed my suspicion that guys who average around the 10 pt range the year before they are drafted have a very high bust rate. A looked at the top 18 from the 2019, 2020 and 2021 drafts and only guy I could find that averaged around the 10 range and didn't bust is Scottie Barnes.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#1270 » by GoBobs » Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:38 pm

2019

Zion 22pts
Ja 24 pts
RJ Barret 22 pts
D Hunter 15 pts
D Garland 16 pts
Jarrett Cluver 18 pts
Colby White 16 pts
Jaxon Hayes 10 pts
Rui Hachimura 19 pts
Cam Reddish 13.5 pts
Cameron Johnson 17 pts
PJ Washington 15 pts
Tyler Hero 14 pts
Romeo Langford 15.5 pts
Sekou Doumbouya 22 pts (10 game sample size)
Okeke 12 pts
Nickeil Alexander Walker 16 pts
Goga Bitadze 11 pts
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#1271 » by GoBobs » Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:38 pm

2020

A Edwards 19 pts
Wiseman 19 pts (3 game sample size)
LaMelo 17 pts
Patrick Williams 9 pts
Isaac Okoro 13 pts
Okongwu 16 pts
K Hayes 13 pts
Obi Toppin 20 pts
Deni Avdija 13 pts
Jalen Smith 15.5 pts
Devin Vassell 13 pts
Haliburton 15 pts
Kira Lewis Jr 18 pts
A Nesmith 23 pts
Cole Anthony 18 pts
I Stewart 17 pts
Aleksej Pokusevski 10 pts
Josh Green 12 pts
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#1272 » by GoBobs » Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:39 pm

2021

Cade 20 pts
Jalen Green 18 pts
Mobley 16 pts
Scottie Barnes 10 pts
Jalen Suggs 14 pts
J Giddey 19 pts
Kuminga 16 pts
F. Wagner 12.5 pts
D Mitchel 14 pts
Ziaire Williams 10 pts
Bouknight 18 pts
J Primo 8 pts
Duarte 17 pts
Moses Moody 17 pts
C Kispert 18 pts
Sengun 19 pts
T Murphy 11 pts
Tre Mann 16 pts
Kai Jones 9 pts
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#1273 » by GoBobs » Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:39 pm

2024

Sarr 10 pts
Castle 11 pts
Topic 18 pts (?)
Knecht 21 pts
Buzelis 12 pts
Clingan 13 pts
Holland 18 pts
Sheppard 12 pts
Cody Williams 12 pts
Rasicher 12 pts (?)
Ja Kobe Walter 14 pts
Dillingham 15 pts
Salaun 9 pts
Edey 25 pts
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#1274 » by GoBobs » Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:41 pm

If a guy averages in the 10-12 range I wonder if he even has the right mentality to want to be the man. For that reason I think Holland is a better bet then Sarr or Castle.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#1275 » by luciano-davidwesley » Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:01 pm

GoBobs wrote:If a guy averages in the 10-12 range I wonder if he even has the right mentality to want to be the man. For that reason I think Holland is a better bet then Sarr or Castle.

I'm pretty sure Sarr only played 17 minutes a game.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#1276 » by MugzZo » Wed May 1, 2024 12:35 am

GoBobs wrote:2024

Sarr 10 pts
Castle 11 pts
Topic 18 pts (?)
Knecht 21 pts
Buzelis 12 pts
Clingan 13 pts
Holland 18 pts
Sheppard 12 pts
Cody Williams 12 pts
Rasicher 12 pts (?)
Ja Kobe Walter 14 pts
Dillingham 15 pts
Salaun 9 pts
Edey 25 pts
Isn't buzelis 14?

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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#1277 » by GoBobs » Wed May 1, 2024 1:33 am

MugzZo wrote:
GoBobs wrote:2024

Sarr 10 pts
Castle 11 pts
Topic 18 pts (?)
Knecht 21 pts
Buzelis 12 pts
Clingan 13 pts
Holland 18 pts
Sheppard 12 pts
Cody Williams 12 pts
Rasicher 12 pts (?)
Ja Kobe Walter 14 pts
Dillingham 15 pts
Salaun 9 pts
Edey 25 pts
Isn't buzelis 14?

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I am seeing 11.8

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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#1278 » by JustBuzzin » Thu May 2, 2024 2:24 am

I have seen numerous people compare Risacher to Miller and I just don't see it.

I view Risacher more as a 3&D wing. I haven't really seen him create off the dribble. That being said he's 3rd on my list and I wouldn't be mad if we took him.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#1279 » by EmpireFalls » Thu May 2, 2024 2:37 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:I have seen numerous people compare Risacher to Miller and I just don't see it.

I view Risacher more as a 3&D wing. I haven't really seen him create off the dribble. That being said he's 3rd on my list and I wouldn't be mad if we took him.

Yeah I think worse Keegan Murray is the name I keep coming back to. And that is well worth a top 5 pick in this bad class, but he's not really ever going to be more than your 3rd/4th option. I still don't know how I feel about the shot, but I'm confident enough in his athlticism and shotmaking that he will have a high floor and not bust.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#1280 » by JustBuzzin » Thu May 2, 2024 2:43 pm

EmpireFalls wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:I have seen numerous people compare Risacher to Miller and I just don't see it.

I view Risacher more as a 3&D wing. I haven't really seen him create off the dribble. That being said he's 3rd on my list and I wouldn't be mad if we took him.

Yeah I think worse Keegan Murray is the name I keep coming back to. And that is well worth a top 5 pick in this bad class, but he's not really ever going to be more than your 3rd/4th option. I still don't know how I feel about the shot, but I'm confident enough in his athlticism and shotmaking that he will have a high floor and not bust.

Yeah I think he could be a 3rd or 4th option and play his role as a 3&D player.

If his handles were a bit better he would probably be the favorite to go #1.

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