New Coach Search Thread

[KembaWalker]

You guys will love Reddick when he signs you just don't know it yet. Kind of like when half of us myself included thought Scoot was the guy.

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JJ is basically the Scoot of coach prospects. No actually evidence of any talent for it but great personal brand

I had a lot more typed up but since RealGM on mobile likes to randomly refresh the page for ads I lost everything I typed again. What a horrible flaw for a discussion board

Really though? How many people even know what Charles Lee voice sounds like? How many could pick out David Adelman on the Nuggets bench? I am assuming the vast majority of fans researched each coach for less than a minute on wiki. Be honest if you had to write out an entire paragraph about Charles Lee off the top of the head could you?

At least with players there are stats, actual video of them playing, interviews etc... I feel a lot more comfortable flag planting a prospect then I do a coach I know very little about. Even JJ, I don't know how he would be as a coach but out of all the candidates I know the most about him, the way he thinks and how he is viewed by players.

I am not going to be dramatic either way because how can I be? I legit have no idea who would be best, but I think JJ is a solid candidate and should at least be considered. It is not like he is Rashad McCants level of former player/podcaster.

I’m not saying fans, I’m saying the front office itself doesn’t have the information to make an informed decision because it doesn’t exist. It’s a gamble

[JMAC3]

JJ is basically the Scoot of coach prospects. No actually evidence of any talent for it but great personal brand

I had a lot more typed up but since RealGM on mobile likes to randomly refresh the page for ads I lost everything I typed again. What a horrible flaw for a discussion board

Really though? How many people even know what Charles Lee voice sounds like? How many could pick out David Adelman on the Nuggets bench? I am assuming the vast majority of fans researched each coach for less than a minute on wiki. Be honest if you had to write out an entire paragraph about Charles Lee off the top of the head could you?

At least with players there are stats, actual video of them playing, interviews etc... I feel a lot more comfortable flag planting a prospect then I do a coach I know very little about. Even JJ, I don't know how he would be as a coach but out of all the candidates I know the most about him, the way he thinks and how he is viewed by players.

I am not going to be dramatic either way because how can I be? I legit have no idea who would be best, but I think JJ is a solid candidate and should at least be considered. It is not like he is Rashad McCants level of former player/podcaster.

I’m not saying fans, I’m saying the front office itself doesn’t have the information to make an informed decision because it doesn’t exist. It’s a gamble

Why would the front office not have information? Clifford coached Redick before. Redick interviewed for the team. Redick also interviewed last year for Raps job and rumor is other teams are interested in hiring him (probably playoff teams). This isn't some out of left field idea that many are making it. If you trust the new GM and new Owners who actually sat down, spoke about the team, JJ principals and plans.

I just think people are overrating how much information they have just because Charles Lee sat on the bench, it's not like the Hornets can assign a certain aspect of success to Lee or know what he is doing during games for Boston. Unless we have a mic hidden on the bench how much information do you really think that provides?

I will be fine with either direction, I just don't know how anyone can feel so strongly on two guys with zero head coach experience.

[KembaWalker]

Really though? How many people even know what Charles Lee voice sounds like? How many could pick out David Adelman on the Nuggets bench? I am assuming the vast majority of fans researched each coach for less than a minute on wiki. Be honest if you had to write out an entire paragraph about Charles Lee off the top of the head could you?

At least with players there are stats, actual video of them playing, interviews etc... I feel a lot more comfortable flag planting a prospect then I do a coach I know very little about. Even JJ, I don't know how he would be as a coach but out of all the candidates I know the most about him, the way he thinks and how he is viewed by players.

I am not going to be dramatic either way because how can I be? I legit have no idea who would be best, but I think JJ is a solid candidate and should at least be considered. It is not like he is Rashad McCants level of former player/podcaster.

I’m not saying fans, I’m saying the front office itself doesn’t have the information to make an informed decision because it doesn’t exist. It’s a gamble

Why would the front office not have information? Clifford coached Redick before. Redick interviewed for the team. Redick also interviewed last year for Raps job and rumor is other teams are interested in hiring him (probably playoff teams). This isn't some out of left field idea that many are making it. If you trust the new GM and new Owners who actually sat down, spoke about the team, JJ principals and plans.

I just think people are overrating how much information they have just because Charles Lee sat on the bench, it's not like the Hornets can assign a certain aspect of success to Lee or know what he is doing during games for Boston. Unless we have a mic hidden on the bench how much information do you really think that provides?

I will be fine with either direction, I just don't know how anyone can feel so strongly on two guys with zero head coach experience.

Cause a guy like Charles Lee can tell you a situation he faced, how he handled it, what the outcomes were. He can provide actual examples of times that he put players in better situations to succeed or got the best out of them. These can be followed up with league contacts and references. The most you can get from Redick is a hypothetical. Saying what you would do is never as meaningful as what you’ve done. Most of the time things don’t go the way you expect

[KembaWalker]

JJ is the definition of a gamble. It would be a tacit admission from our FO that despite claiming to be building a world class organization that their best chance to hit on a coach is a pure lootcrate hire instead of making an informed choice. Though with our history, maybe the lootcrate is more appealing

You're not tired of being a bottom feeder franchise?

I'm ready to be relevant again. JJ brings that. If he doesn't work at least we tried something new. Let's try something new for once. There is no gamble when we have always been at the bottom.

Why not try it maybe we strike gold.

I would imagine there’s a bigger chance of it failing, Redick goes back to podcasting, uses his platform to drag us through the mud over it for the next 2 decades, and we spend the foreseeable future as the joke team not unlike now

[JustBuzzin]

So it's a gamble we hire a HC with no experience.

But if we hire another HC with experience and we have done that for our entire history. But there is no gamble with that even though most of them turn out to be bad hires anyway.


Make it make sense!

[LofJ]

If we hire JJ as the head coach an experienced lead assistant coach that doesn't mind mentoring him and taking a backseat would be a must hire. I guess Clifford could kinda play that role, but ideally it needs to be someone on the bench every night. And that should not be Clifford, if JJ is the guy everyone on the team needs to understand that and play their respective roles.

[JMAC3]

I’m not saying fans, I’m saying the front office itself doesn’t have the information to make an informed decision because it doesn’t exist. It’s a gamble

Why would the front office not have information? Clifford coached Redick before. Redick interviewed for the team. Redick also interviewed last year for Raps job and rumor is other teams are interested in hiring him (probably playoff teams). This isn't some out of left field idea that many are making it. If you trust the new GM and new Owners who actually sat down, spoke about the team, JJ principals and plans.

I just think people are overrating how much information they have just because Charles Lee sat on the bench, it's not like the Hornets can assign a certain aspect of success to Lee or know what he is doing during games for Boston. Unless we have a mic hidden on the bench how much information do you really think that provides?

I will be fine with either direction, I just don't know how anyone can feel so strongly on two guys with zero head coach experience.

Cause a guy like Charles Lee can tell you a situation he faced, how he handled it, what the outcomes were. He can provide actual examples of times that he put players in better situations to succeed or got the best out of them. These can be followed up with league contacts and references. The most you can get from Redick is a hypothetical. Saying what you would do is never as meaningful as what you’ve done. Most of the time things don’t go the way you expect

Yes, and JJ can tell you situations about how he was coached, or how he saw a player on his team was coached and the outcomes. Do you think JJ has the same level of experience as the guy running the concession stands during games? Dude has been immersed in these situations for 15 years in meetings, practices, huddles, on the floor...

I already listed out the prev 10 coaches that never were assistants. 8 of them have winning records. Did that just happen by pure blind luck over and over again? This also isn't a 1 man job, clearly JJ would have guys surrounding him he can lean on that have done it.

[KembaWalker]

So it's a gamble we hire a HC with no experience.

But if we hire another HC with experience and we have done that for our entire history. But there is no gamble with that even though most of them turn out to be bad hires anyway.


Make it make sense!

Yeah they’re both gambles, ones like a poker hand where you can use your limited knowledge and experience to give yourself the best chance and the other is pulling the handle on a slot machine, specifically that you picked out because it’s got cool sound and graphic effects and you saw it on the casino twitter page

[JMAC3]

If we hire JJ as the head coach an experienced lead assistant coach that doesn't mind mentoring him and taking a backseat would be a must hire. I guess Clifford could kinda play that role, but ideally it needs to be someone on the bench every night. And that should definitely not be Clifford.

Almost like every other team has a slew of assistant coaches with 5+ experience. Clifford had Tyrone Corbin who was a prev head coach, but we think JJ is just going to hire his high school best friends?

We have 8 assistant coaches on the staff right now....

[KembaWalker]

tldr We’ve already had the benefit of letting other teams make this blunder with Kidd, Fisher, and Nash and I’m confused why anyone would want to be next in that line. It probably won’t work

[LofJ]

If we hire JJ as the head coach an experienced lead assistant coach that doesn't mind mentoring him and taking a backseat would be a must hire. I guess Clifford could kinda play that role, but ideally it needs to be someone on the bench every night. And that should definitely not be Clifford.

Almost like every other team has a slew of assistant coaches with 5+ experience. Clifford had Tyrone Corbin who was a prev head coach, but we think JJ is just going to hire his high school best friends?

We have 8 assistant coaches on the staff right now....

This is true, you've made some compelling arguments. I don't feel great about handing a guy the top job when he has zero experience, but if we can surround him with experienced assistants that won't be bitter that JJ skipped to the front of the line and buy-in to him being our leader I think it could work.

[yosemiteben]

I was initially completely opposed due to lack of any coaching experience, which I still see as an issue, but I do think JMAC's list of head coaches that didn't have prior experience is pretty compelling evidence that it might not be as necessary as I thought.

I suppose my biggest issue is that it's a bit of a red flag to me that he didn't start as an assistant coach. He's never had to manage other players as a coach, been tasked with developing a player, been responsible for scouting another team, been forced to balance coach vs. mentor roles, been responsible for managing a coaching staff...

There's just so much he's never been involved with, and rather than doing the work to get that experience he's just been doing media stuff.

I dunno, makes me nervous.

[GoBobs]

The best bet is to go with a guy who has a proven track record as a HEAD COACH. A guy that has experience as a HEAD COACH.

Nate Oates went from being a good high school head coach to a college head coach. He has also raised the level of a college program. Same with Dan Hurley. If we were willing to spend we could get one of those guys. If we were willing to spend we could get coach Bud if you want a prove NBA guy.

Spo proves the value of a head coach. He just won a playoff game in Boston with Jaquez, C Martian, Bam, and Herro. He also makes 20 mil per year.

The guys we are interviewing indicate we are not willing to spend like that. Not being willing to spend is what we have been doing for the last 20 years. We have gone through a bunch of coaches. We have never made a big splash and backed up the brinks truck for somebody.

[Hornet Mania]

Hard no from me on JJ.

Not saying it's impossible he'll be good, but I think he's much more of a gamble than other established assistant coaches. It's nice JJ had playing experience, and I'm sure he's smart (although he has some shockingly bad takes on his pod disrespecting players from past eras) but I'd rather go with an experienced hand.

The list of former coaches without experience is intriguing to be sure, but you also have to control for roster composition. Shaky coaches get dragged to success by top talent all the time. Our roster is simply not as good as the one Kerr, Jackson, Kidd, Nash, Thomas or Bird inherited. Didn't Doc also get T-Mac right off the bat? Del Negro's Clippers are probably the closest to us in talent. They had young Blake Griffin, Eric Bledsoe and Deandre Jordan plus a declining Baron Davis.

KembaWalker's point about JJ trashing us mercilessly after he flames out is also worth considering. JJ is about as much of a gossip as there is in NBA media and has a healthy ego. If he fails as our HC he will not blame himself, I expect he'll say Charlotte is a hopeless franchise and everyone should avoid it for the good of their career to pass the buck and salvage his reputation.

I just see questionable upside, a worrisome downside, and the previous track record of coaches without experience looks less sterling when comparing our talent to the rosters those examples inherited.

[JMAC3]

tldr We’ve already had the benefit of letting other teams make this blunder with Kidd, Fisher, and Nash and I’m confused why anyone would want to be next in that line. It probably won’t work

Steve Nash is 94-67 as a HC. Uhhh I would take that lol
Jason Kidd has coached 8 years, 6 of them as winning seasons. I would also take that.

Those are blunders? You know how many coaches last 2-3 years and never sniff being .500?

[JMAC3]

Hard no from me on JJ.

Not saying it's impossible he'll be good, but I think he's much more of a gamble than other established assistant coaches. It's nice JJ had playing experience, and I'm sure he's smart (although he has some shockingly bad takes on his pod disrespecting players from past eras) but I'd rather go with an experienced hand.

The list of former coaches without experience is intriguing to be sure, but you also have to control for roster composition. Shaky coaches get dragged to success by top talent all the time. Our roster is simply not as good as the one Kerr, Jackson, Kidd, Nash, Thomas or Bird inherited. Didn't Doc also get T-Mac right off the bat? Del Negro's Clippers are probably the closest to us in talent. They had young Blake Griffin, Eric Bledsoe and Deandre Jordan plus a declining Baron Davis.

KembaWalker's point about JJ trashing us mercilessly after he flames out is also worth considering. JJ is about as much of a gossip as there is in NBA media and has a healthy ego. If he fails as our HC he will not blame himself, I expect he'll say Charlotte is a hopeless franchise and everyone should avoid it for the good of their career to pass the buck and salvage his reputation.

I just see questionable upside, a worrisome downside, and the previous track record of coaches without experience looks less sterling when comparing our talent to the rosters those examples inherited.

I don't really get trying to discount coaches because they had talent, all coaches need talent to win. Pop is a great coach right? Why isn't he winning? Was Phil Jackson actually not good because he had talent?

If JJ could do what Kidd was able to do his first few years in Jersey and Milwaukee that would be a pretty good win in my eyes.

[KembaWalker]

tldr We’ve already had the benefit of letting other teams make this blunder with Kidd, Fisher, and Nash and I’m confused why anyone would want to be next in that line. It probably won’t work

Steve Nash is 94-67 as a HC. Uhhh I would take that lol
Jason Kidd has coached 8 years, 6 of them as winning seasons. I would also take that.

Those are blunders? You know how many coaches last 2-3 years and never sniff being .500?

Are we really at the point where we’re willing to delude ourselves into arguments like this for a podcaster coach? Cmon man. Everyone knows those guys are trash

[KembaWalker]

Hard no from me on JJ.

Not saying it's impossible he'll be good, but I think he's much more of a gamble than other established assistant coaches. It's nice JJ had playing experience, and I'm sure he's smart (although he has some shockingly bad takes on his pod disrespecting players from past eras) but I'd rather go with an experienced hand.

The list of former coaches without experience is intriguing to be sure, but you also have to control for roster composition. Shaky coaches get dragged to success by top talent all the time. Our roster is simply not as good as the one Kerr, Jackson, Kidd, Nash, Thomas or Bird inherited. Didn't Doc also get T-Mac right off the bat? Del Negro's Clippers are probably the closest to us in talent. They had young Blake Griffin, Eric Bledsoe and Deandre Jordan plus a declining Baron Davis.

KembaWalker's point about JJ trashing us mercilessly after he flames out is also worth considering. JJ is about as much of a gossip as there is in NBA media and has a healthy ego. If he fails as our HC he will not blame himself, I expect he'll say Charlotte is a hopeless franchise and everyone should avoid it for the good of their career to pass the buck and salvage his reputation.

I just see questionable upside, a worrisome downside, and the previous track record of coaches without experience looks less sterling when comparing our talent to the rosters those examples inherited.

I don't really get trying to discount coaches because they had talent, all coaches need talent to win. Pop is a great coach right? Why isn't he winning? Was Phil Jackson actually not good because he had talent?

If JJ could do what Kidd was able to do his first few years in Jersey and Milwaukee that would be a pretty good win in my eyes.

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[JMAC3]

tldr We’ve already had the benefit of letting other teams make this blunder with Kidd, Fisher, and Nash and I’m confused why anyone would want to be next in that line. It probably won’t work

Steve Nash is 94-67 as a HC. Uhhh I would take that lol
Jason Kidd has coached 8 years, 6 of them as winning seasons. I would also take that.

Those are blunders? You know how many coaches last 2-3 years and never sniff being .500?

Are we really at the point where we’re willing to delude ourselves into arguments like this for a podcaster coach? Cmon man. Everyone knows those guys are trash

I think you probably need to recalibrate your expectations if those guys are trash.
Both would be the most winning coach in our history lol

[JMAC3]

Hard no from me on JJ.

Not saying it's impossible he'll be good, but I think he's much more of a gamble than other established assistant coaches. It's nice JJ had playing experience, and I'm sure he's smart (although he has some shockingly bad takes on his pod disrespecting players from past eras) but I'd rather go with an experienced hand.

The list of former coaches without experience is intriguing to be sure, but you also have to control for roster composition. Shaky coaches get dragged to success by top talent all the time. Our roster is simply not as good as the one Kerr, Jackson, Kidd, Nash, Thomas or Bird inherited. Didn't Doc also get T-Mac right off the bat? Del Negro's Clippers are probably the closest to us in talent. They had young Blake Griffin, Eric Bledsoe and Deandre Jordan plus a declining Baron Davis.

KembaWalker's point about JJ trashing us mercilessly after he flames out is also worth considering. JJ is about as much of a gossip as there is in NBA media and has a healthy ego. If he fails as our HC he will not blame himself, I expect he'll say Charlotte is a hopeless franchise and everyone should avoid it for the good of their career to pass the buck and salvage his reputation.

I just see questionable upside, a worrisome downside, and the previous track record of coaches without experience looks less sterling when comparing our talent to the rosters those examples inherited.

I don't really get trying to discount coaches because they had talent, all coaches need talent to win. Pop is a great coach right? Why isn't he winning? Was Phil Jackson actually not good because he had talent?

If JJ could do what Kidd was able to do his first few years in Jersey and Milwaukee that would be a pretty good win in my eyes.

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And? Warriors fans hate Steve Kerr right now too... he must be awful coach lol.

Emotion doesn't exist. We never threw tantrums over Clifford or Borrego in threads.