Does anyone even stand a hope against the Nuggets next year?

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Re: Does anyone even stand a hope against the Nuggets next year? 

Post#221 » by NZB2323 » Fri May 10, 2024 11:55 pm

One_and_Done wrote:
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One_and_Done wrote:2nd round out is looking like a solid take right now.


Every single team that won the NBA title never get past the 2nd round since 2019.

2020 Raptors - lost to Celtics in 2nd round
2021 Lakers - lost to Suns in 1st round
2022 Bucks - lost to Celtics in 2nd round
2023 Warriors - lost to Lakers in 2nd round
2024 Nuggets - down 0-2 to Wolves in 2nd Round

Yeh... but Kawhi left, Lakers were hurt, Bucks were missing Middleton and went down in 7 to an equally good team... what's Jokic's excuse?


Murray is injured and has a TS% of 36.5% in the series.
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Re: Does anyone even stand a hope against the Nuggets next year? 

Post#222 » by One_and_Done » Fri May 10, 2024 11:58 pm

NZB2323 wrote:
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Every single team that won the NBA title never get past the 2nd round since 2019.

2020 Raptors - lost to Celtics in 2nd round
2021 Lakers - lost to Suns in 1st round
2022 Bucks - lost to Celtics in 2nd round
2023 Warriors - lost to Lakers in 2nd round
2024 Nuggets - down 0-2 to Wolves in 2nd Round

Yeh... but Kawhi left, Lakers were hurt, Bucks were missing Middleton and went down in 7 to an equally good team... what's Jokic's excuse?


Murray is injured and has a TS% of 36.5% in the series.

Murray looked fine last round. Yeh, he's not 100%, buy Gobert missed the whole of game 2 and the Nuggets were blown out. What's happening here is impossible to chalk up to injuries.
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Re: Does anyone even stand a hope against the Nuggets next year? 

Post#223 » by NZB2323 » Sat May 11, 2024 12:05 am

One_and_Done wrote:
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One_and_Done wrote:Yeh... but Kawhi left, Lakers were hurt, Bucks were missing Middleton and went down in 7 to an equally good team... what's Jokic's excuse?


Murray is injured and has a TS% of 36.5% in the series.

Murray looked fine last round. Yeh, he's not 100%, buy Gobert missed the whole of game 2 and the Nuggets were blown out. What's happening here is impossible to chalk up to injuries.


What was the excuse for the Golden State Warriors? Chris Paul was also injured against the Lakers, and the only playoff series the Bucks have won since their title was against the Bulls.

Also, if go back 25 years the 2007 Heat got swept in the first round by the Bulls and had a point differential of -44. The Bulls 3 leading scorers were Ben Gordon, Luol Deng, and Kirk Hinrich. That’s the worst title defense of the past 25 years. They had a negative net Rtg during the regular season of -1.

I also don’t know how harshly you can criticize a champion based on the prior year. The 1980 Lakers and 1983 76ers lost in the first round the next year. Does that mean they were weak champions? The 2010 Lakers got swept and blown out by the 2011 Mavs. Were the 2010 Lakers a weak champion?
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Re: Does anyone even stand a hope against the Nuggets next year? 

Post#224 » by Special_Puppy » Sat May 11, 2024 12:08 am

One_and_Done wrote:
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One_and_Done wrote:Yeh... but Kawhi left, Lakers were hurt, Bucks were missing Middleton and went down in 7 to an equally good team... what's Jokic's excuse?


Murray is injured and has a TS% of 36.5% in the series.

Murray looked fine last round. Yeh, he's not 100%, buy Gobert missed the whole of game 2 and the Nuggets were blown out. What's happening here is impossible to chalk up to injuries.


Murray looked fine last round is something you only say if you weren't paying attention lol. He had a 44.2% True Shooting % that series. KCP had a 47.9% TS that series. Wolves actually have depth so they were able to handle the loss of Gobert. Nuggets have 0 depth so they can't handle the loss of Murray and KCP.
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Re: Does anyone even stand a hope against the Nuggets next year? 

Post#225 » by BlacJacMac » Sat May 11, 2024 12:27 am

The "injured leg" didn't stop him from grabbing a career high in rebounds...
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Re: Does anyone even stand a hope against the Nuggets next year? 

Post#226 » by ChipotleWest » Sat May 11, 2024 12:47 am

It's easy to just assume the champions are going to repeat, but we haven't had one since Durant/Curry Warriors in 2018, before that Heatles, Kobe/Pau Lakers, Shaq and Kobe Lakers threepeat, the Bulls two threepeats with Rockets sandwiched in between, the Pistons to end the 80's and start the 90's, and Showtime Lakers did it once in the 80's. Between 1970-1986 there were no repeats. That's only 8 different teams that won back or back or threepeated.
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Re: Does anyone even stand a hope against the Nuggets next year? 

Post#227 » by One_and_Done » Sat May 11, 2024 2:03 am

NZB2323 wrote:
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Murray is injured and has a TS% of 36.5% in the series.

Murray looked fine last round. Yeh, he's not 100%, buy Gobert missed the whole of game 2 and the Nuggets were blown out. What's happening here is impossible to chalk up to injuries.


What was the excuse for the Golden State Warriors? Chris Paul was also injured against the Lakers, and the only playoff series the Bucks have won since their title was against the Bulls.

Also, if go back 25 years the 2007 Heat got swept in the first round by the Bulls and had a point differential of -44. The Bulls 3 leading scorers were Ben Gordon, Luol Deng, and Kirk Hinrich. That’s the worst title defense of the past 25 years. They had a negative net Rtg during the regular season of -1.

I also don’t know how harshly you can criticize a champion based on the prior year. The 1980 Lakers and 1983 76ers lost in the first round the next year. Does that mean they were weak champions? The 2010 Lakers got swept and blown out by the 2011 Mavs. Were the 2010 Lakers a weak champion?

Warriors got old, and Wiggins never reclaimed his 2022 form. Hard to see how it's Curry's fault.

Bucks have never lost a series while healthy since their title run. Giannis was hurt this postseason and the last, and they lost a 7 game thriller in 22 against a comparably talented team who people thought they were toast in without Middleton. It was seen as impressive they got it to 7.

Lakers were clearly too hurt to beat the Suns in 21, they were 'more hurt' if you will. After that the team got destroyed by terrible personnel moves, and Lebron got older. He's still a borderline top 10 played, especially in the playoffs, but he can't carry a team like he used to.

Jokic is just flat out losing right now, to a team he was supposed to beat, and a major reason is PnR... you know, the exact thing I called Jokic out for in like 20 threads.

The Heat are regarded as a weak champion, and them getting swept in 07 definitely counted against them (though I'd blame Shaq, not Wade, Shaq got out of shape after the 06 title and frankly was already one foot out of his prime in 06). The 07 team WAS worse. Again, none of this seems to apply to Denver. Yeh, they've got a few injuries, but it's not enough to explain what is happening, plus every team gets minor injuries.

The 80s teams I can go into too, but usually there are reasons. A big one is who they're losing too. Jokic isn't facing the 2018 Warriors here.
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Re: Does anyone even stand a hope against the Nuggets next year? 

Post#228 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon May 20, 2024 2:50 am

CpttCanada wrote:And before you just got swept Lakers fans jump in, just stop. We don't want to hear it, you aren't part of this conversation. Everyone knows nothing is happening there. But does any team actually stand a chance? The real teams who could take them in a year or two aren't ready yet. Am I wrong here?
Yes, you're wrong.
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Re: Does anyone even stand a hope against the Nuggets next year? 

Post#229 » by One_and_Done » Mon May 20, 2024 2:56 am

One_and_Done wrote:
NZB2323 wrote:
One_and_Done wrote:Plenty of teams since the Nuggets have become tremendously overrated.

They are statistically the 2nd least impressive champion in the last 25 years, after the 06 Heat. They're a fine team, but this was a down year for the top of the league. I like the Suns or Bucks over them if they're healthy, and I wouldn't be shocked by them losing in the 2nd round to the Warriors or Mavs or Lakers (assuming Lebron is healthy).


What stats are you using that makes them the 2nd least impressive champion in the past 25 years?

2nd round out is looking like a solid take right now.

I was on the money it seems.
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Re: Does anyone even stand a hope against the Nuggets next year? 

Post#230 » by jkvonny » Mon May 20, 2024 3:04 am

We tried to warn yall bout them T Pups!
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Re: Does anyone even stand a hope against the Nuggets next year? 

Post#231 » by NZB2323 » Mon May 20, 2024 3:05 am

One_and_Done wrote:
One_and_Done wrote:
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What stats are you using that makes them the 2nd least impressive champion in the past 25 years?

2nd round out is looking like a solid take right now.

I was on the money it seems.


The last 5 champions didn’t make it out of the second round either.

Neither did the 2015 Spurs, 2012 Mavs, 2011 Lakers, or 2009 Celtics.

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