Nets Trying To Get Billups And RIP Along With Anthony

[NBA Fan 1234]

Just throwing this out there...but DW turned down the Pacers' offer of AR for a first. We aren't the ones who think he's worth a first...but GMs love potential.

[magnumt]

1. For Team looking for Cap Relief, you can bet your $$$'s that they're looking to not only get under the Luxury Tax, but save $$$s too. Denver wouldn't want to pay close to $20 Million in Expiring money, when 80% of Curry's deal has already been advanced to him, meaning that only a small % is left to pay on his deal...and 80% of Buke's Contract is covered by Insurance, meaning Denver would have to pay 20% of it (which NY can help cover by throwing in $3 Million).

2. It's all speculation at this point on which Picks NJ would actually send. Some reports have it being the Warriors+Nets Pick, others have it being the Lakers+another 1st.

3. So, Chandler who's about 23, and Gallo who's about 22 are worse than Harris+Favors. The argument being that Chandler is about to get paid. Yet, Denver is willing to take on an older Harris on the supposed hypothetical situation that they can flip him for Miller+Batum (why again does Portland do this?).

There's more to deals that Numbers, Stats, and armchair-GMing.

--Mags

1. I'm 99% sure that the Nets would simply agree to pay the salary of their expirings. It's not like their owner doesn't have the cast.

2. That doesn't change the fact that there isn't a package of picks the Knicks can offer that's better than even Lakers and another 1st.

3. I think the argument would be that Harris, Favors, and picks, are more valuable than Gallo, Chandler and whatever picks the Knicks can offer.

1. CBA doesn't work like that. Max money a Team contribute is $3 Million in Cash, which cannot be used towards the Cap or to match deals. So you're 1% wrong there.

2. I can safely assume that the 1st from AR (even if not Lottery), plus Gallo and/or Fields (or Chandler) is greater than any of the 2 firsts NJ will send (again we don't even know at this point for 100% sure which two 1sts Denver would get since Detroit or Cleveland want good 1sts too).

3. Than that argument would again be false (as I showed above). Fields alone (due to his Salary and Production as a Rookie) is worth more than Favors (something you couldn't say before the Season started). Then you add in either Gallo or Chandler, both of whom are younger, and depending on which one is sent, is cheaper than Harris. On top of that, you add in the better Contracts (as I proved above as well), of Curry and Buke.

But, yeah I can 100% see the New Jersey offer being better. The fact is, Denver doesn't want to deal with NY, and is using a bunch of run around excuses to try and cover the fact.

If NJ gets Melo, more power to them...but, much like the Lebron situation that help up multiple Teams (NY, Chicago, Cleveland, etc), this crap doesn't need to be dragged out so long if Melo really wanted to be in NJ. The extension would have been signed already.

--Mags

[Gus McCrae]

As a Lakerfan I'd trade our #1 for Magic Randolph, though I think he would give Phil a heart attack. I also don't know what his contract is, what does he make?

[BrooklynSwag]

He's been in the league for 3 years and is averaging 18 mpg. He's not worth a lottery pick in this or any draft.

i disagree. He has averaged 11ppg, 6.5rpg, and 1.5 rebounds per game in only 23 minutes per game one season. what does favors average compared to what AR did his rookie year? but like i said im not here for that.

[magnumt]

he's played 10mins in the last 17 gms, is he injured again?

Yep. I think it's the same injury that's allowing Kris Humphries to outplay Favors.

As a Lakerfan I'd trade our #1 for Magic Randolph, though I think he would give Phil a heart attack. I also don't know what his contract is, what does he make?

$3 Mil this Year, and $3 Mil next Year. Minny and Memphis have also been rumored to have interest in Randolph, in addition to the above mentioned Indiana by the other poster.

--Mags

[Gus McCrae]

Mags, I think Favors is worth more than Fields. Even though Fields is getting a lot of burn and I know knicks fans love him, Favors was viewed to be a raw prospect I would think many GMs who have the time to develop him would rather have Favors. Obviously, not every team has that luxury.

[princeofpalace]

Im sorry but Fields is not worth more than Favors

[M.Balla]

Fields is a ROY Candidate, twice-time Rookie of the Month, on a 2nd Round Pay Scale, and is clearly outplaying the #3 Pick Favors.

Just because Fields has been undeniably better than Favors so far, it doesn't mean that he's a more enticing prospect. Favors is 6'10" and 3 years younger. If he pans out, he is 100x more valuable than Fields. And you know that.

[BrooklynSwag]

He's been in the league for 3 years and is averaging 18 mpg. He's not worth a lottery pick in this or any draft.

easily can say hes been in bad situations. this is the last ill mention AR specifically though without referring to melo.

[bruddahmanmatt]

Name some teams that would give up their lottery picks for AR please. You're excuse that he isn't in the rotation due to poor shot selection and not his attitude is a joke as well. The two sort of go hand in hand (ignoring the coach's instructions to NOT take (Please Use More Appropriate Word) shots) unless he's a moron with a horribly low BBIQ which is an argument against your theory that "MANY GMs would give up their lottery picks" for the guy.

Unless there's a team out there that sees some unrealized potential in the guy, you ain't getting a lottery pick for him anytime soon. If that BS were true, he would have been moved already.

pacers would. im not going to go through the AR thing again. this thread is not for that. i had a thread in the trades and transactions forum specifically for that.

O RLY? Is that why he's still on your Roster? There is absolutely NO POINT in keeping Randolph on board if Shawne freakin' Williams is going to get the nod over him when Gallo goes down for a few weeks with an injury. If the BS you're spewing were true, he would have been playing alongside Granger a long time ago.

And please stop with the old "this thread isn't for that, I'm not going there" talk. If that were true, you wouldn't have brought it up in the first place. Funny how you attempt to play that card after doing nothing but talking Randolph for the last few pages because I think it's a little too late for you to attempt to bail and pull the ripcord on that one.

[BrooklynSwag]

O RLY? Is that why he's still on your Roster? There is absolutely NO POINT in keeping Randolph on board if Shawne freakin' Williams is going to get the nod over him when Gallo goes down for a few weeks with an injury. If the BS you're spewing were true, he would have been playing alongside Granger a long time ago.

And please stop with the old "this thread isn't for that, I'm not going there" talk. If that were true, you wouldn't have brought it up in the first place. Funny how you attempt to play that card after doing nothing but talking Randolph for the last few pages because I think it's a little too late for you to attempt to bail and pull the ripcord on that one.

Donnie rejected the trade. LOL. We dont need a bad 1st round pick. But we do need a player like AR. Shawne Williams has been bad? LOL. He has been beasting. EDIT: Beasting may be a bit far, but he has been playing his role perfectly.

Dude, I just said he can get a first. People started talking about him specifically. I wanted to talk about him pertaining to Melo. NOT OTHERWISE,

Now stop please.

[magnumt]

Fields is a ROY Candidate, twice-time Rookie of the Month, on a 2nd Round Pay Scale, and is clearly outplaying the #3 Pick Favors.

Just because Fields has been undeniably better than Favors so far, it doesn't mean that he's a more enticing prospect. Favors is 6'10" and 3 years younger. If he pans out, he is 100x more valuable than Fields. And you know that.

So Favors can still pan out (like Evan Turner), but not AR? Who supposedly we can not get a 1st Rounder for?

Landry Fields have put up terrific numbers against some of the better Teams in the NBA on a winning Team (just look at what he put up against those very same Nuggets), whereas Favors can't even outplay Kris Humphries on a Lotto-bound Nets Team (no offense meant, just comparing).

It's why Denver has demanded that Fields be put into any Melo deal from NY.

P.S. I love Humphries.

--Mags

[Bucksfans1and2]

1. For Team looking for Cap Relief, you can bet your $$$'s that they're looking to not only get under the Luxury Tax, but save $$$s too. Denver wouldn't want to pay close to $20 Million in Expiring money, when 80% of Curry's deal has already been advanced to him, meaning that only a small % is left to pay on his deal...and 80% of Buke's Contract is covered by Insurance, meaning Denver would have to pay 20% of it (which NY can help cover by throwing in $3 Million).

2. It's all speculation at this point on which Picks NJ would actually send. Some reports have it being the Warriors+Nets Pick, others have it being the Lakers+another 1st.

3. So, Chandler who's about 23, and Gallo who's about 22 are worse than Harris+Favors. The argument being that Chandler is about to get paid. Yet, Denver is willing to take on an older Harris on the supposed hypothetical situation that they can flip him for Miller+Batum (why again does Portland do this?).

There's more to deals that Numbers, Stats, and armchair-GMing.

--Mags

1. I'm 99% sure that the Nets would simply agree to pay the salary of their expirings. It's not like their owner doesn't have the cast.

2. That doesn't change the fact that there isn't a package of picks the Knicks can offer that's better than even Lakers and another 1st.

3. I think the argument would be that Harris, Favors, and picks, are more valuable than Gallo, Chandler and whatever picks the Knicks can offer.

1. CBA doesn't work like that. Max money a Team contribute is $3 Million in Cash, which cannot be used towards the Cap or to match deals. So you're 1% wrong there.

2. I can safely assume that the 1st from AR (even if not Lottery), plus Gallo and/or Fields (or Chandler) is greater than any of the 2 firsts NJ will send (again we don't even know at this point for 100% sure which two 1sts Denver would get since Detroit or Cleveland want good 1sts too).

3. Than that argument would again be false (as I showed above). Fields alone (due to his Salary and Production as a Rookie) is worth more than Favors (something you couldn't say before the Season started). Then you add in either Gallo or Chandler, both of whom are younger, and depending on which one is sent, is cheaper than Harris. On top of that, you add in the better Contracts (as I proved above as well), of Curry and Buke.

But, yeah I can 100% see the New Jersey offer being better. The fact is, Denver doesn't want to deal with NY, and is using a bunch of run around excuses to try and cover the fact.

If NJ gets Melo, more power to them...but, much like the Lebron situation that help up multiple Teams (NY, Chicago, Cleveland, etc), this crap doesn't need to be dragged out so long if Melo really wanted to be in NJ. The extension would have been signed already.

--Mags

The 80% that Randolph and zub. . don't get paid don't go to match slaries either. I'm 100% sure about that. The only value they have is that the owner doesn't have to pay them. The only difference in the expiring contracts that the Knicks expirings save the owner 8 mil out of pocket. That 8 mil doesn't go to matching salaries or the salary that NJ is paying though. NJ's expirings on the other hand cut 2 million off the salary Denver would have next year.

2. I think you're drastically overestimating the 1st you're going to be getting from Magic Randolph. I'd be surprised if NBA GM haven't caugh on to this act by now. You can claim that the Nets will only send out Lakers 1st and a 1st to be determined later, but they could Very well give out their 11 and anothey lottery pick which would blow out of the water any player that New York can send except perhaps Fields.

I'd take Harris, Favors, Murphy, Sasha, and two lottery picks over Fields, Gallo, Azubuke, Curry, and a mid to late 1st.

[HeyJoe]

i need NEWWWWSSS

[Bucksfans1and2]

Fields is a ROY Candidate, twice-time Rookie of the Month, on a 2nd Round Pay Scale, and is clearly outplaying the #3 Pick Favors.

Just because Fields has been undeniably better than Favors so far, it doesn't mean that he's a more enticing prospect. Favors is 6'10" and 3 years younger. If he pans out, he is 100x more valuable than Fields. And you know that.

So Favors can still pan out (like Evan Turner), but not AR? Who supposedly we can not get a 1st Rounder for?

Landry Fields have put up terrific numbers against some of the better Teams in the NBA on a winning Team (just look at what he put up against those very same Nuggets), whereas Favors can't even outplay Kris Humphries on a Lotto-bound Nets Team (no offense meant, just comparing).

It's why Denver has demanded that Fields be put into any Melo deal from NY.

P.S. I love Humphries.

--Mags

Favors is a rookie. Randolph (despite his age) is currently in his third year. You're not comparing apples to apples.

[BrooklynSwag]

I'd take Harris, Favors, Murphy, Sasha, and two lottery picks over Fields, Gallo, Azubuke, Curry, and a mid to late 1st.

what are the two lottery picks? where are they coming from? i just wanna know if im uninformed or not.

[M.Balla]

So Favors can still pan out (like Evan Turner), but not AR? Who supposedly we can not get a 1st Rounder for?

Hmmm... if ET or Favors can't get of the very end of the bench by their third year, you won't get a lottery pick for them, no.

Landry Fields have put up terrific numbers against some of the better Teams in the NBA on a winning Team (just look at what he put up against those very same Nuggets), whereas Favors can't even outplay Kris Humphries on a Lotto-bound Nets Team (no offense meant, just comparing).

I like what Fields is doing but let's not go overboard, then only stat that stands out, is how he attack the glass (on a team with people ALLERGIC to do it, BTW). If he was playing next to Camby and Aldridge, for example, we might not know who the hell Landry Fields is. He has gone over 20 points the grandtotal of 1 time. And yes I'm aware that Favors can't top that. But have you ever heard the words "NBA ready"? Landry is, Derrick not. "Raw talent"? Landry hasn't, Derrick does "Ceiling"? One is so much higher than the other, but this I would left it for you to find out.

It's why Denver has demanded that Fields be put into any Melo deal from NY.

So what? What were they going to demand? "C'mon here and touch it" Curry? Anthony "Pass me the towel" Randolph? Wilson "I'm a free agent and I y'all just renting me" Chandler?

P.S. I love Humphries.

Well, I'm speaking to Kim K... I guess this explains a lot.

[Gus McCrae]

Lotto picks from New Jersey! if they're unprotected that would easily trump anything from NYK.
I'm actually rooting for him to go to NY because I want the knicks to beast on the heat for the next 5 years. But NJ is throwing everything plus the kitchen sink at denver for Melo.

[Bucksfans1and2]

I'd take Harris, Favors, Murphy, Sasha, and two lottery picks over Fields, Gallo, Azubuke, Curry, and a mid to late 1st.

what are the two lottery picks? where are they coming from? i just wanna know if im uninformed or not.

Nobody knows what the picks are but if Mags can claim that the Nets are only willing to send Lakers 1st and another pick without a source than shouldn't I be able to claim that the Nets are willing to send two lotto picks. Both are possible.

[LApwnd]

he's played 10mins in the last 17 gms, is he injured again?

Yep. I think it's the same injury that's allowing Kris Humphries to outplay Favors.

As a Lakerfan I'd trade our #1 for Magic Randolph, though I think he would give Phil a heart attack. I also don't know what his contract is, what does he make?

$3 Mil this Year, and $3 Mil next Year. Minny and Memphis have also been rumored to have interest in Randolph, in addition to the above mentioned Indiana by the other poster.

--Mags

one is a rookie, the other is a 3yr player who can't get burn over a journey man bust in Williams if you gona use that kind of logic, then Humphries should warrant a 1st rd pick, at least top 10