The Suns Look AWFUL... What Was Phoenix Thinking By Getting KD Booker Beal?

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Re: The Suns Look AWFUL... What Was Phoenix Thinking By Getting KD Booker Beal? 

Post#101 » by Calvin Klein » Sat Dec 16, 2023 1:26 pm

Slim Tubby wrote:No PG, no depth, no size and no defense...none of this should really be a surprise when your best players are also injury prone.


Pretty much. This really is not surprising. It was the most probable outcome I'd say.
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Post#102 » by lonzo_pelota » Sat Dec 16, 2023 1:41 pm

On the bright side, everybody who's somebody on the team is SuperMaxed out so they can give it their best shot year after year
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Post#103 » by Hans1984 » Sat Dec 16, 2023 1:57 pm

Indeed they look terrible. Are the Suns tanking now ? How are you giving up 139 points ? I thought Vogel is a defensive-minded coach ? What a joke...
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Post#104 » by Tim Reynolds » Sat Dec 16, 2023 5:59 pm

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Post#105 » by 7r5ur » Sat Dec 16, 2023 6:06 pm

CP3 really single handedly carried Monty AND the Suns. Pretty impressive.
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Post#106 » by Biff » Sat Dec 16, 2023 6:28 pm

WillyJakkz wrote:I said it when he was in BK at the start of last season.

KD can no longer beat a team with just his scoring alone and he doesn't do the other things well enough to impact the game.

Booker is the exact same. He doesn't pass, play make or get stops or anything else that will impact a game enough to lead a team.

And Beal is a tier below Booker. And now he's out...again...

Brunson cooked these dudes and created opportunities for his teammates to succeed.

Suns need to blow that **** up asap. Trade Booker while he still has the wool pulled over the medias eyes or trade KD.

Realistically it's not gonna happen but should. Last chance is to trade Nurkic or package some of those mid players for a PG but as is PHX is toast...BK is head and shoulders the winner of that KD trade.

And if you feel the solution is "Bradley Beal has been hurt give them a chance to be fully healthy and gel" then you'd be focusing on the wrong problem.


KD is still good but relative to the rest of the league he's no longer THAT guy. He used to lead the league in PER/WS48 (or near the very top) but he has dropped back a bit. He's below Booker in WS/48. Below Lebron too. I think he's still a borderline top 10 player but definitely not top 3 anymore. I don't understand why Ishbia thought this superteam would work. The last one to work was the Warriors but that team also had depth. The Heat before them had 3 guys in their prime (at the start). It fell apart due to injuries. We started with injury prone guys, so...?

You still need to put a team together than can defend and make timely buckets (from your role players). It's clear this team is severely lacking in that. And what Beal provides isn't what we need. We need someone that can run the offense in the 4th quarter and we need some grit and toughness and guys that can defend. So I don't see Beal coming in and saving the day for us.
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Post#107 » by Phish Tank » Sat Dec 16, 2023 6:45 pm

For being a "contending" team out in the West, not having a PG on either the 1st or 2nd units is a major problemo. I know it as a Knicks fan, since we lacked a PG for several decades and several playoff cameos. That's really why the Beal trade was a mistake. Booker's not a PG. Neither Beal nor Book should be putting that much stress on their ankles guarding the premier guards in the league. Note that CP3 also wasn't the answer either, so a move had to be made.

Despite all of that, the Suns did acquire a decent amount of depth, but that depth is compromised without one of the Big 3 and is further compromised when any of those complementary pieces (i.e. Eric Gordon) are not playing.
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Post#108 » by sca » Sat Dec 16, 2023 7:26 pm

Nurkic has just posted 13 straight games with positive +/-… That is really hard to do. He’s hardly the problem with the Suns. Brutal? GTFOH.
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Post#109 » by NCHeels2008 » Sat Dec 16, 2023 7:52 pm

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WillyJakkz wrote:I said it when he was in BK at the start of last season.

KD can no longer beat a team with just his scoring alone and he doesn't do the other things well enough to impact the game.

Booker is the exact same. He doesn't pass, play make or get stops or anything else that will impact a game enough to lead a team.

And Beal is a tier below Booker. And now he's out...again...

Brunson cooked these dudes and created opportunities for his teammates to succeed.

Suns need to blow that **** up asap. Trade Booker while he still has the wool pulled over the medias eyes or trade KD.

Realistically it's not gonna happen but should. Last chance is to trade Nurkic or package some of those mid players for a PG but as is PHX is toast...BK is head and shoulders the winner of that KD trade.

And if you feel the solution is "Bradley Beal has been hurt give them a chance to be fully healthy and gel" then you'd be focusing on the wrong problem.


KD is still good but relative to the rest of the league he's no longer THAT guy. He used to lead the league in PER/WS48 (or near the very top) but he has dropped back a bit. He's below Booker in WS/48. Below Lebron too. I think he's still a borderline top 10 player but definitely not top 3 anymore. I don't understand why Ishbia thought this superteam would work. The last one to work was the Warriors but that team also had depth. The Heat before them had 3 guys in their prime (at the start). It fell apart due to injuries. We started with injury prone guys, so...?

You still need to put a team together than can defend and make timely buckets (from your role players). It's clear this team is severely lacking in that. And what Beal provides isn't what we need. We need someone that can run the offense in the 4th quarter and we need some grit and toughness and guys that can defend. So I don't see Beal coming in and saving the day for us.


Also the Heat Big 3 were young when assembled. KD and Beal (considering injuries) are both pretty old to be kicking off this experiment
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Post#110 » by Baz » Sat Dec 16, 2023 8:36 pm

Bourne85 wrote:KD should’ve just stayed with the Warriors. He’d be looking at rings 4-6 by now. Everyone can thank psycho Draymond for running KD out of town. Draymond cost them 2016, cost them KD, punched Poole and got him traded too. This season also costing the Warriors a bunch of games. Guy is a nut job and idk how warrior fans can defend this guy after all the damage he’s done to the franchise.

KD has now gone an wasted his time in Brooklyn, now the Suns. This is a guy that could’ve been winning championships for years with Curry and instead is doing nothing. What a waste of talent wow


There wasn't room enough for all four of them in the long run. Draymond wanted to get paid. He probably started to realise it was either him or KD and bullied him out.
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Post#111 » by WillyJakkz » Sat Dec 16, 2023 10:04 pm

sca wrote:Nurkic has just posted 13 straight games with positive +/-… That is really hard to do. He’s hardly the problem with the Suns. Brutal? GTFOH.


Ah a Jusuf lover. Since you posted in all caps sure.. I'll gtfoh.

And then turn around and come right back in the thread.

And yeah Nurkic is hardly the problem, he is also hardly the solution. I can tell you haven't watched many Suns games.
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Post#112 » by garrick » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:46 am

sca wrote:Nurkic has just posted 13 straight games with positive +/-… That is really hard to do. He’s hardly the problem with the Suns. Brutal? GTFOH.


He's been playing well as of late but he's a turnstyle on defense and can't score anywhere inside with high efficiency if his life depended on it. Like he blew a wide open dunk against the Nets with no one around him that's how bad he is.

He's an above average passer for his position but he's no Jokic and relying on him to do PG duties would be pretty foolish.
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Post#113 » by Showdown » Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:03 am

Suns have good halfcourt defense but are terrible at transition defense and that's fixable if they reduce chances for teams to score in transition by scoring better(where Beal and better chemistry will help) , by reducing turnovers and by being more disciplined in offense.Nurkić is among 30 best players in the league in LEBRON stat that count impact and is #2 in +/- on Suns team so if he continue with playing at this level and Suns have healthy big 3 plus guys like Allen,Gordon,Goodvin,KBD,Metu in the rotation team will be almost unbeatable.
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Post#114 » by Sane » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:31 pm

I didn't think Beal was a good fit either but the talent level is so high I'm sure if they're all able to stay healthy they will win at an elite rate. Scoring is the most important skill in all of basketball and they have the most ammo.

They just need some more defensive depth. I think they'll get the best free agent candidates, there's always a few after the deadline.
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Post#115 » by DusterBuster » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:42 pm

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Post#116 » by Statlanta » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:42 pm

The problem is the team is a revolving door of injuries. When Beal comes back Durant will be down and then when he comes back Booker will be down and then when the big 3 play probably Gordon or Nurkic will be down.

It's like the 2013 Nets you don't know what team you have because the rotation is out of whack.
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Post#117 » by DusterBuster » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:44 pm

garrick wrote:
sca wrote:Nurkic has just posted 13 straight games with positive +/-… That is really hard to do. He’s hardly the problem with the Suns. Brutal? GTFOH.


He's been playing well as of late but he's a turnstyle on defense and can't score anywhere inside with high efficiency if his life depended on it. Like he blew a wide open dunk against the Nets with no one around him that's how bad he is.

He's an above average passer for his position but he's no Jokic and relying on him to do PG duties would be pretty foolish.


This was the Blazers experience with Nurkic post-leg injury as well. There was a time Nurkic was dominant inside and dunked everything. Then his leg injury and he was just never as assertive down low after that.

Nurkic is not a bad C at all, he’s just kind of average/passable.

Suns problem is that they just collected talent with zero thought to fit.
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Post#118 » by SkyBill40 » Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:35 pm

There are a multitude of problems with this team as assembled, but coaching seems to be one of the biggest issues the team faces to this point. Vogel has been absolutely terrible and Young, for being the highest paid assistant in the league, has a terrible mind for offense. As long as these two are running things, the team isn't going anywhere no matter who is on the roster.

The other major problem is, well, Ishbia. Just because you have money to throw at a problem doesn't mean that it will work as the solution. Dismantling the roster and mortgaging our future for the next decade with this experiment that has shown little promise and lots of misery was clearly a bad idea. Durant was a nice get but not for the cost. Beal should never have been a consideration in the first place. Isbhia's meddling is, dare I say, on par with or worse than Robert Sarver's and that's really saying something.

Even with the "big 3" together, I am beginning to believe we will be lucky to make the playoffs in a guaranteed spot but more likely to fight for the play in. There's just so little cohesion as a team and far too much standing around to watch Booker and Durant shoot. No fluid movement, no defense, and minimal effort. We're a quarter way through the season now and unless our health fortunes change, I fully expect more of the same for the rest of the season.

I'm sure that Luka Donic and co are salivating at the chance to destroy us once again on Christmas Day.
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Post#119 » by dautjazz » Sun Dec 17, 2023 6:51 pm

Obviously injuries have plagued them. It's similar to the Clippers, if healthy for a stretch they'll look good, they have a lot of star power, but you know all these guys are gonna miss significant time every season.
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