The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right?

[bwgood77]

I love the answer. They need a superstar..isn't that all teams? Lol.

What we actually mean by a "superstar" is a player who can score 20 ppg or atleast get to the line. The irony is we need a iso-Joe type player in the 4th. Our main problem is that in the 4th quarter nobody wants to shoot the ball or take over. You can actually see and feel the game flow change when it is crunch time.

I think you guys should trade for Brandon Knight. He definitely thinks he's a superstar and has no problem shooting a lot and thinking he can take over at the end.

[Geaux_Hawks]

I love the answer. They need a superstar..isn't that all teams? Lol.

To hell wit' a "superstar". They simply need a twenty-point scorer, someone everyone on the team can look to and lean on when they need stem cell the tide in a playoff game.

Derrick Rose would work, but a guy like Tyreke Evans would as well.


Schroeder could work too, but is he ready to give you twenty a game and lead a team? I can't answer that.

Budenholzer has been an awful GM thus far though. That Tim Hardaway Jr. trade (fir a mid furst rounder) was pretty horrendous.

This man gets it, but I highly doubt we even take a chance on people like that. We always run into a brick wall at some point in a game where the system just doesn't produce points against a top tier team.

Honestly, I would take Reke. Rose may not be an option since we have to PG's already, with the need to get rid of one of the two.

Rudy Gay wouldn't be a bad guy to add to be quite frank. At the end of the day, this current core alone isn't going to get the job done. We need a wing scorer at least if we keep these guys together.

[vxmike]

Honestly, this core isn't going to win anything. The Hawks need a legit no. 1 option and not multiple 2nd or 3rd options on a championship team. They also need a legit rebounding/shot blocking big. Someone like Bogut, Whiteside, the pre-Rockets/Lakers Dwight, etc. As others have mentioned, definition of treadmill team and truth be told, playoff fodder for the Cavs who have a legit superstar no. 1 and 2 all-stars + legit rebounding big + 3 and D guys.

Someone like Paul George would due wonders for the Hawks. KD + legit rebounding big would be championship quality.

Truth be told 95% of teams are "treadmill" teams. Matter fact how many finals has lebron been in the last 7-10 years? Its always going to be the same teams in the finals.

You either in the playoffs or selling your fans empty dreams.

All that needs to be done is eliminate the "max" salary so LeBron can't team up with a new group of stars every few years. Distribute the stars and maybe teams like ATL can have one and compete...the East parity has been non-existent since LeBron created the big 3 in Miami. The West has had four different Finalists in that time span. The last two playoffs have been quite boring and this year especially bad with the total lack of competition.

[0to100]

I love the answer. They need a superstar..isn't that all teams? Lol.

What we actually mean by a "superstar" is a player who can score 20 ppg or atleast get to the line. The irony is we need a iso-Joe type player in the 4th. Our main problem is that in the 4th quarter nobody wants to shoot the ball or take over. You can actually see and feel the game flow change when it is crunch time.

I think you guys should trade for Brandon Knight. He definitely thinks he's a superstar and has no problem shooting a lot and thinking he can take over at the end.

For Jeff Teague? Lets sign the papers!!!

[bwgood77]

What we actually mean by a "superstar" is a player who can score 20 ppg or atleast get to the line. The irony is we need a iso-Joe type player in the 4th. Our main problem is that in the 4th quarter nobody wants to shoot the ball or take over. You can actually see and feel the game flow change when it is crunch time.

I think you guys should trade for Brandon Knight. He definitely thinks he's a superstar and has no problem shooting a lot and thinking he can take over at the end.

For Jeff Teague? Lets sign the papers!!!

I'd probably be game for that. Why did his assist numbers drop this year? The Suns could use a better passing pg in case Bledsoe gets injured and then maybe draft one last in the first and can decide later if they want to let Teague walk. If Bledsoe gets injured again maybe try and keep him. With Booker, Knight is kind of expendable. Suns also have another SG, Bogdan Bogdanovic coming over one of the next two seasons...he's been playing well hitting long game winning shots in the league he's playing in.

[Rafael122]

Atlanta is built for the regular season, just like the Celtics are. So Boston can play 10 guys every night and get away with it. But when it comes to the playoffs? You need that dog, that alpha male and teams like Atlanta and Boston don't have them.

IMO, the answer isn't to keep the current team and hope for the best. Yes there have been injuries and such but the fact is the team as currently constructed can't make the Finals.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Hawks need to find a way to get a superstar.

Gotta find someone unhappy. They do have assets. Maybe they can convince Dwight to come to his hometown? Not a superstar, but still better then anyone they have.

[Chuck Everett]

Horford can do whatever he wants, yet people are acting like Atlanta owns him. To me, the fact that he averaged 3 rebounds indicates a guy who didn't want to get injured during the playoffs, so he can secure his next payday. I guess he could get offered some 5 year/120+ million dollar deal from the Hawks, which I am sure he would accept, but if those aren't the numbers, why would he stay in Atlanta? For example, Minnesota and Portland are much better places for him and he could play the 4 spot.

[jeeph]

They don't need to blow it up. But they do need to restructure. Too much overlap of skills and lack of rotation flexibility.

Horford and Milsap are both good but they are too similar. Neither are great rim protectors or rebounders. Look what a difference a lesser talent like Humphries made when in the game. He's a banger and boarder. But compliments either of the main two.

Teague and Schroeder are the two best penatrators and creators but they are both true PG's. Can't put them on the court at the same time. So when one is out there all the defense has to do is shift to one side, no backside pressure.

Coach Bud might be a great coach but there is only so much you can do when you can't alter your rotations to match up with opponents. Their bigs aren't big, and their smalls are too small. So they can't play to overpower you and they can't out small ball you. All they can do is medium ball.

If I were them I would trade Schroeder for a combo guard, either 3 & D or slasher. They would both work with Teague to go small ball or just a normal line up. I would trade Milsap while his value is high for an athletic wing that can guard 3's or play a small ball 4. And sign a center to put Horford at the 4 where he has always belonged. Can still make Horford the small ball 5 in stretches.

^^ That right there, even if they had less overall talent, like my Humphries comment, would make the team more able to compete against anyone. They match up well with teams like Boston because Boston is also stuck with medium ball, but against teams like the Cavs/GSW small ball or the Spurs big ball and they find themselves with major mismatch problems. Match ups are quite an important factor in bball, trying to out team play opponents against teams that out match you is not conducive to success, especially in the playoffs.

[mrblunt]

Hawks will get the hometown kid Dwight Howard. Too bad he's past his prime now. But no one else will want Howard so the Hawks will likely end up with him. Then they will let Horford walk and overpay Howard instead. Enjoy a half filled stadium Dwight and Atlanta perfect match.

[chefdan]

We are just gonna retool I hope and still push for the top 4 next year, underneath the Cavs, who now have us mindf**ked, the East is wide open.

I hope we resign both Horford and Bazemore. Trade Teague and try and package him with #21 to get a lottery pick this year. Maybe put the feelers out and see what Korver will get.

The FA stuff I trust Bud to bring in the right type of guys to get us to that next step and are the right ones for the system. We saw during the regular season last season and post all star break this one that when the players are up and firing and the systems running perfectly , we can look unstoppable, and sustain it.

This year and last, if we'd been able to beat the Cavs we were a really good chance of going to the finals. If we find those pieces to get past the Cavs I think our core is still young enough and strong enough to contend without tinkering too much.

[tribulations]

Surely time to give the keys to Schroder.

They need to move Teague for a meaningul piece, perhaps trade one of Millsap or Horford, deepen the end of their bench and reload for next season.

[naabzor]

They are starting Kyle freakin Korver. Cut me a break. He is nowhere near a starter. He was barely a starter one or two season ago.

[massive attack]

Need a star who can win a game they just have none

Yes the Hawks have too many players on that borderline all-star level. They're a great regular season team, but in the playoffs they seem to lack that one player to give them the edge against big teams like the Cavs.

Sap and Horford are legit all stars. Teague is a all star talent. Dennis has all star talent. We just don't have any stars or superstars. "That dude" as they say. Cleveland has two of them. OKC has two. SAS has two. GS has maybe three. We don't have one. That's a problem.

We need to find a way to get that dude.

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I agree with you for the most part, I probably shouldn't have generalised that as such. Millsap and Horford are all-star players, though I would put them in the low tier of all-stars, and I mean that in the nicest way possible. Teague has all-star talent but I think Schroder has the bigger potential and the Hawks would benefit with him in a starting role.

To me, one of Millsap or Horford are expendable, as well as Teague.

[Ball4life32]

They are starting Kyle freakin Korver. Cut me a break. He is nowhere near a starter. He was barely a starter one or two season ago.

Yeah he was barely a starter when he was an all star last year. Makes sense.

[jpengland]

They are starting Kyle freakin Korver. Cut me a break. He is nowhere near a starter. He was barely a starter one or two season ago.

When he was an allstar and a top 2 shooter in the league?

He's coming off an injury, he's still a decent defender and shooter. Gotta hope that a summer of rehab he has at least one more strong season in him.

If he is available, playoff teams will be lining up to take him off ATLs hands.

[naabzor]

They are starting Kyle freakin Korver. Cut me a break. He is nowhere near a starter. He was barely a starter one or two season ago.

When he was an allstar and a top 2 shooter in the league?

He's coming off an injury, he's still a decent defender and shooter. Gotta hope that a summer of rehab he has at least one more strong season in him.

If he is available, playoff teams will be lining up to take him off ATLs hands.

That year they just gave the entire hawks team the all star status just because they were playing well but probably no one was a real all star. For sure Korver was not an all star.

[Deivork]

It is pretty clear that many people in this thread don't watch the Hawks and I could care less. But some of the statements here are pretty ridiculous. We actually had a shakeup when we let Josh Smith go and signed Millsap 2013 and last year we won 60 games. But now the new team is getting old and our main problem is that we don't have a superstar player. If we could sign a good SG/SF who has star potential or who can score in the playoffs when things get though we could actually matchup against Cleveland very well.

And what realistic option would that be?

[jbk1234]

Hawks need to find a way to get a superstar.

Gotta find someone unhappy. They do have assets. Maybe they can convince Dwight to come to his hometown? Not a superstar, but still better then anyone they have.

Atlanta would be better off with Howard on a four-year deal than Horford on a five-year deal. Horford is the better player but he should really be playing PF and Atlanta already has Milsap under contract. There are some older near-max FAs who will be getting max deals this year and that fifth year is going to give home teams pause.

[mtron929]

A lot of people act like a good team like the Hawks can make small changes here and there to become a championship level team. They just can't. They have maxed out. Similar to how the Memphis Grizzlies had maxed out. The trajectory of this team and the height of where they went was not surprising because it was pretty much a mission to building a good (but not great) team. This happens to most teams unfortunately. That is, they are doomed to fail.