Tobias Harris

MountainDrew · Post #21 » by **MountainDrew** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:09 pm

Very talented kid who still has time on his side, but he has some major flaws in his game. Not a good shooter from 3 point range, so he won't help stretch the floor much, and he's not much of a defender either. Bit of a tweener. I wouldn't mind having him on my team, but he's not someone who I would be comfortable giving a long term contract to.

Post #22 » by **TASTIC** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:45 pm

Always loved his game and I'd LOVE him on the Suns at the 3. I think he has a slight uptick this season with Payton passing it to him more often - they need to work on a go to move for Harris though.

His name always reminds me of AD though, so had to make this:

tranjSAIC · Post #23 » by **tranjSAIC** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:51 pm

heat4life wrote:To OP , good stats on a bad team can be VERY deceptive. It is important to look at the whole body of work. He is still young though so hope that he keeps developing.

You are correct it CAN be deceiving, the thing I hate is when people say "X player sucks because he is on a bad team" You have to look at the whole picture.

DrCoach · Post #24 » by **DrCoach** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:54 pm

Like him, Melo-lite

OrlMagic05 · Post #25 » by **OrlMagic05** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:59 pm

To OP , good stats on a bad team can be VERY deceptive. It is important to look at the whole body of work. He is still young though so hope that he keeps developing.[/quote]

Yes, they can be very deceiving, however, many players that put up good number on bad teams also have low FG % (Antoine Walker). Tobias shot 47% last season and shot 50% the last two months while avg close to 17ppg in less than 30mpg.

Johnny Firpo · Post #26 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:09 pm

RightToCensor wrote:He can't be the first or second best player on a championship team, but he could be the third.

Maybe if you have MJ and Duncan in their primes. Maybe.

j-ragg · Post #27 » by **j-ragg** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:11 pm

I hope Tobias gets that 3P% up this year. Started out awful last year like 2 for is first 28 or something.

I love him as a player, he busts his ass and plays his heart out and has a great attitude. Far from a great defender but hopefully that improves as well. Looks to have lost some weight.

GallagherArt · Post #28 » by **GallagherArt** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:58 pm

RightToCensor wrote:
LloydFree wrote:
RightToCensor wrote:Poor man's Carmelo offensively, but a better rebounder. Good 3rd option for a championship team.

What?

He can stretch the floor, run the floor, finish around the rim, and can be streaky.

He can't be the first or second best player on a championship team, but he could be the third.

I don't see it, he's arguably the third best player on this Magic team which is among the worst in the league.

jpengland · Post #29 » by **jpengland** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:18 pm

As has been said, a tweener who can't defend anybody.

Could be a great Corliss Williamson style sixth man.

DaddyCool19 · Post #30 » by **DaddyCool19** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:52 pm

If he gets a solid 3 Point shot (shooting around 34-35% would be a good start) he could turn into a decent 2nd option on a playoff team.

Scalabrine · Post #31 » by **Scalabrine** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:06 pm

RightToCensor wrote:Poor man's Carmelo offensively, but a better rebounder. Good 3rd option for a championship team.

I like the Carmelo Anthony comparison (definitely not as good), but I think Melo is a better rebounder.

Post #32 » by **Smitty731** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:15 pm

A third option on a championship team is a joke. He's probably the third best player on this Magic team, behind Vucevic and Oladipo. And you aren't exactly talking about two all-stars there. Maybe they get there eventually, but not yet. And Harris is behind both of them.

As for Harris himself, calling him Melo-lite isn't exactly true. Anthony is one of the very best scorers in the entire league. Harris has shown he can score some, but he's not near as versatile a scorer as Anthony. Anthony will take smaller guys down on the post and destroy them. Harris hasn't shown the ability to have any sort of post game at all. Nor is the shooter off the dribble that Anthony is. He has an ok midrange game and can get to the basket.

Harris' best fit will be as a backup forward for a good team. He can play 3/4 depending on matchups and really take it to overmatched backups. If he is ever anything more than that I will be surprised.

KillMonger · Post #33 » by **KillMonger** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:39 pm

Well, i guess we'll see how it goes. Everybody can say this or that but at the end of the day it really has to bearing on what he will become since his career is still in it's early stages. Mostly everything is conjecture at this point, nothing more or less

bullox · Post #34 » by **bullox** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:43 pm

As a Bucks fan, I was not happy with the trade that sent Harris to Orlando. That said, it sent the Bucks on a path towards getting Giannis and Jabari and even new ownership along the way. All things considered, I wouldn't change a thing.

j-ragg · Post #35 » by **j-ragg** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:49 pm

Smitty731 wrote:A third option on a championship team is a joke. He's probably the third best player on this Magic team, behind Vucevic and Oladipo. And you aren't exactly talking about two all-stars there. Maybe they get there eventually, but not yet. And Harris is behind both of them.

As for Harris himself, calling him Melo-lite isn't exactly true. Anthony is one of the very best scorers in the entire league. Harris has shown he can score some, but he's not near as versatile a scorer as Anthony. Anthony will take smaller guys down on the post and destroy them. Harris hasn't shown the ability to have any sort of post game at all. Nor is the shooter off the dribble that Anthony is. He has an ok midrange game and can get to the basket.

Harris' best fit will be as a backup forward for a good team. He can play 3/4 depending on matchups and really take it to overmatched backups. If he is ever anything more than that I will be surprised.

He scores really well in the post with his size and he loves the pull up J.

I think his problem is he was almost too big last year because he was lacking speed coming off his injury, and he had a rough year from beyond the arc. But yeah as far as on offense you're pretty wrong, you listed the things he excels at.

AussieBuck · Post #36 » by **AussieBuck** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:06 pm

Smitty731 wrote:A third option on a championship team is a joke. He's probably the third best player on this Magic team, behind Vucevic and Oladipo. And you aren't exactly talking about two all-stars there. Maybe they get there eventually, but not yet. And Harris is behind both of them.

As for Harris himself, calling him Melo-lite isn't exactly true. Anthony is one of the very best scorers in the entire league. Harris has shown he can score some, but he's not near as versatile a scorer as Anthony. Anthony will take smaller guys down on the post and destroy them. Harris hasn't shown the ability to have any sort of post game at all. Nor is the shooter off the dribble that Anthony is. He has an ok midrange game and can get to the basket.

Harris' best fit will be as a backup forward for a good team. He can play 3/4 depending on matchups and really take it to overmatched backups. If he is ever anything more than that I will be surprised.

Maybe the numbers don't show it but he has quite a bit of post talent.

Post #37 » by **Smitty731** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:16 pm

j-ragg wrote:He scores really well in the post with his size and he loves the pull up J.

I think his problem is he was almost too big last year because he was lacking speed coming off his injury, and he had a rough year from beyond the arc. But yeah as far as on offense you're pretty wrong, you listed the things he excels at.

I must have watched 70 Magic games last year and at least 5 in person at Amway. I never saw him do much scoring in the post. I agree he has a nice game off the dribble. And he's actually a sneaky offensive rebounder. I saw him get a lot of junk points off putbacks where he snuck in and grabbed the board. That is where being a tweener helps him actually. He's just quick enough to get around the bigger PFs and sneak in for rebounds.

I know it sounds like I hate Harris, and I don't. I just haven't seen a single player more overrated by his fan base than him. To hear a lot of the Magic fans talk, it sounds like he's the hybrid of Pippen and Barkley.

If he starts at SF every night, he's going to get abused defensively. He's just not quick enough to defend SFs. The Magic might actually be best with him and Gordon at the forwards. I see it a lot like Milwaukee. Antetokounmpo can defend the more athletic guys and Paker can defend the slower, bigger guys. The Magic might be a good fit with Gordon and Harris playing those roles.

T12 · Post #38 » by **T12** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:57 pm

Watch the lanes open up and the shots become better with payton and frye...i expect big things from Tobes.

Kabookalu · Post #39 » by **Kabookalu** » Wed Oct 1, 2014 12:01 am

Magic fans: Is he starting at SF? He's in a contract year so I think if he's starting he's going to put up huge numbers. Haven't done my draft yet, he'll be a steal late in the draft if he starts imo.

JF5 · Post #40 » by **JF5** » Wed Oct 1, 2014 12:34 am

He's a pretty good/efficient scorer and very versatile on that spectrum. His defense isn't good... But it isn't exactly atrocious either. Getting Aaron Gordon though allows Harris to switch off on the weaker offensive threat on the other side of the court. And with his size/strength he's more than capable of guarding a four... The Blake Griffins, David Wests, and Ryan Andersons of the world.