NBA Rookie Discussion Thread 2023-24

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Make two selections: One between Wemby/Holmgren and one for the rest

Chet Holmgren
160
27%
Victor Wembanyama
171
29%
Brandon Miller
65
11%
Ausar Thompson
37
6%
Jordan Hawkins
4
1%
Jaime Jaquez Jr.
77
13%
Bilal Coulibaly
12
2%
Dereck Lively
29
5%
Scoot Henderson
4
1%
Other
29
5%
 
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Re: NBA Rookie Discussion Thread 2023-24 

Post#2121 » by The Master » Mon Apr 1, 2024 1:54 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:Never understood why Blake or Ben or Chet or whomever bothers anyone. Did they play? Nope. So they are rookies when they do. Does it help them to get to spend a year in the organization? I would hope so, but doesn't make them not a rookie.

ROTY is not-that-much valuable award and its basic purpose is to very early compare and assess new players entering the league on similar stage of their respective careers.

We have enough of examples that not playing, but still being in a league can be great for a player's development. Blake, Simmons, Holmgren - they all, despite being top picks, were 'surprisingly' good in their 'rookie' seasons, Embiid as well improved vastly despite not playing for two years.

Thus, it doesn't make too much sense to compare 1st and 2nd-year players as if they'd been of the same experience - even if technically they are all 'rookies'.

There are always some fans negating that being for a year in the league was actually helpful for these mentioned guys.

I don't think Chet bothers (almost) anyone, reactions about his game are overwhelmingly positive. But to call him a rookie is like a half-truth, the other half is he's older than some prominent 3rd-year players, in his 2nd-year of contract, and spent a year within NBA environment.

If we all had agreed on that, I don't think the next time in similar case we would've had the same discussion. But in 3 years the next top prospect will skip his rookie year for whatever reason and then his 'rookie' season will be 'one of the best in the XXI century' (as, not by accident, was also the case for Simmons, Griffin or Embiid when he was healthy in his rookie year), and we will discuss to what degree he's a rookie.

He may be a step behind in terms of career growth in comparison to sophomore players of his draft class, who played a year earlier on regular basis - but he's also a step in front in comparison to rookie players, who haven't spent a year in the NBA already.
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Re: NBA Rookie Discussion Thread 2023-24 

Post#2122 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Apr 1, 2024 2:16 pm

I expect people to be able to use all kinds of context when comparing players. Some players play 4 years of college ball. Some come over as experienced European veterans. Some come into the league raw raw raw.

For me its simple -- who had the best first season they played. That's not saying they are the best prospect nor is that what the award intended to be.
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Post#2123 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Mon Apr 1, 2024 2:37 pm

I guess we should start splitting hairs about what players did before they got to the NBA too. Were they on a pro team? Or a college team? How many years pro? How many years in college? How much of a leg up did that give them in development such that it should be factored into ROY?
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Post#2124 » by JeffReal » Mon Apr 1, 2024 6:10 pm

The Master wrote:ROTY is not-that-much valuable award …


It’s a relief to hear you say that, because you are not going to be named ROTY. So it’s good to learn you will not be emotionally devastated when somebody else gets the award.

Unfortunately, I will not be named ROTY either. I have reconciled myself to that sad fact, and I think I can handle it. It’s not that valuable to me.


and its basic purpose is to very early compare and assess new players entering the league on similar stage of their respective careers.


No, its basic purpose is to select the rookie of the year. In fact, that is its only purpose. Pardon my blunt factuality.

We have enough of examples that not playing, but still being in a league can be great for a player's development. …


So what? You have confused different things.

The ROTY is not an award for studying game film. It is not an award for practicing your jump shot. It is not an award for talking to coaches. It isn’t an award for signing a contract with a team, either.

ROTY is an award based on the results achieved by a person when he plays. Only playing counts. It is a player’s award.

You are taking it as some kind of non-player award. That is incorrect. Non-playing activities aren’t relevant.

A “rookie” is defined as a person who is playing in the NBA for the first time. Playing is, again, the only thing that counts. Only a player, out there on the court, participating in a game, can be a “rookie.”

Don’t get muddled on what a “rookie” is. A rookie is a kind of player. Once again, player.

Did Chet play last year? We know he didn’t. This is his first year playing. So, of course he’s a rookie this year.

It isn’t that complicated.
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Post#2125 » by The Master » Mon Apr 1, 2024 6:44 pm

JeffReal wrote:...

Awesome, but I have no idea how does it refer to what I posted.
The Master wrote:But to call him a rookie is like a half-truth, the other half is he's older than some prominent 3rd-year players, in his 2nd-year of contract, and spent a year within NBA environment.

I wasn't negating that Arvydas Sabonis, David Robinson, Ben Simmons or Chet Holmgren were 'formally' rookies in their respective rookie seasons. It's just one side of the story, that's it.
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Post#2126 » by Bornstellar » Mon Apr 1, 2024 9:20 pm

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Should easily net his 3rd straight ROTM award. ROY is wrapped up at this point
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Post#2127 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Mon Apr 1, 2024 9:24 pm

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Should easily net his 3rd straight ROTM award. ROY is wrapped up at this point


It is. Wemby's growth trajectory since the start of the season has been truly something else. Credit to Pop but most of the credit to Wemby. It's pretty hard to come in with those expectations and meet them. Even more impressive that he's often on the court with a rendition of the three blind mice and he hasn't blown up at any of them yet.
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Post#2128 » by Bornstellar » Mon Apr 1, 2024 11:53 pm

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Should easily net his 3rd straight ROTM award. ROY is wrapped up at this point


It is. Wemby's growth trajectory since the start of the season has been truly something else. Credit to Pop but most of the credit to Wemby. It's pretty hard to come in with those expectations and meet them. Even more impressive that he's often on the court with a rendition of the three blind mice and he hasn't blown up at any of them yet.

Any other year and Chet would be the runaway favorite. He's had probably the best rookie year since Griffin or Duncan besides Wemby. OKCs future is super bright. I look forward to many hard fought battles between Wemby and Chet
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Post#2129 » by G R E Y » Tue Apr 2, 2024 8:12 pm

Congratulations, Wemby!

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Post#2131 » by FreeBird23 » Tue Apr 2, 2024 8:59 pm

The NBA today announced that Victor Wembanyama has been named the Western Conference Kia Rookie of the Month for games played in March. This marks his third straight Rookie of the Month honor, making him the first Spur since Tim Duncan to capture the award three months in a row. Kia became a partner of the San Antonio Spurs during the 2023-24 season.

Wembanyama appeared in 12 games (all starts) for the Spurs in March, averaging 21.2 points, 10.5 rebounds, a league-leading 3.83 blocks and 1.17 steals in 31.7 minutes to lead all rookies in scoring, rebounding and blocks for the month.


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Post#2132 » by Special_Puppy » Wed Apr 3, 2024 2:55 am

Wemby's offensive game is still super raw, but he might be the next defender in the league next year if he isn't there already
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Post#2133 » by CptCrunch » Wed Apr 3, 2024 3:26 am

Casual near quadruple double. By end of his second year, Wemby might be the only person to have more than 1 quadruple double.
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Post#2134 » by The Master » Wed Apr 3, 2024 3:30 am

CptCrunch wrote:Casual near quadruple double. By end of his second year, Wemby might be the only person to have more than 1 quadruple double.

Yeah, he can realistically be at 6-7apg and 4-5 blocks a game at some point in his career, that may give some crazy quadruple doubles number with him being a double-double machine.
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Post#2135 » by LAvision » Wed Apr 3, 2024 3:31 am

His defense at the end of games is game breaking. It’s awesome to see.
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Post#2137 » by RB34 » Wed Apr 3, 2024 3:34 am

9 blocks Wemby? Jeez
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