Shams: Nikola Jokic Named 2023-24 NBA MVP

[dhsilv2]

Perfect timing as he’s being exposed in the playoffs. Worst 3x MVP in nba history. Future fans will look back and laugh.


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From an iphone user...

But bad device for using a message board choices aside. What possible argument could you make that Moses is a better 3x MVP over Jokic?

[dhsilv2]

Shaq is one of the dumbest people on national tv and that’s really saying something. He does deserve more MVPs, but this was classless. And he’s constantly bitching about Steve Nash. How come nobody asks him why he thinks he deserves those MVPs over Steve Nash when he wasn’t even the best player on his team?

If there’s an MVP he deserved it would be Allen Iverson’s which was an absolute joke.

Always found it really weird that Shaq was so upset with the Nash one vs the AI one. 2001 he and Duncan were clearly better choices over AI.

[AussieBuck]

What clown gave Giannis a 1st place vote, thats crazy..

Brunson deserved a few 1st place votes imo, if you go by the definition of 'most valuable player' to their team, Brunson is def like top 3 or higher, take Brunson off the Knicks and they don't even make the play-in..

The transition here from the first sentence to the second is **** elite comedy my dude. I nearly spat chips on public transport reading it. Bravo sir.

[Chokic]

Shaq is one of the dumbest people on national tv and that’s really saying something. He does deserve more MVPs, but this was classless. And he’s constantly bitching about Steve Nash. How come nobody asks him why he thinks he deserves those MVPs over Steve Nash when he wasn’t even the best player on his team?

If there’s an MVP he deserved it would be Allen Iverson’s which was an absolute joke.

Always found it really weird that Shaq was so upset with the Nash one vs the AI one. 2001 he and Duncan were clearly better choices over AI.

Shaq is a literal petty man child he wasn't better than nash in 05 or 06. That being said nash winning mvp in 06 was a joke.

[svart]

I think Jokic is more important to Denver than Shai to OKC. Sure, they are a young team but SGA has a better supporting cast, imo. Congrats, Gru.

[dhsilv2]

Agree or disagree?

The MVP should be named after the playoffs. It gives us the real value of the best player in a season. If this lasted throughout the playoffs then SGA or Ant are probably the MVP. Your playoff success should also factor in for your MVP votes because those are the most important games imo.

Never disagreed more about anything ever. If they want a player of the year award or something...do that. But there's absolutely no reason to mix the two.

[TravisScott55]

Can't hate on it, Jokic had an unbelievable season. Personally I think Shai deserved it.

[art_tatum]

Agree or disagree?

The MVP should be named after the playoffs. It gives us the real value of the best player in a season. If this lasted throughout the playoffs then SGA or Ant are probably the MVP. Your playoff success should also factor in for your MVP votes because those are the most important games imo.

Never disagreed more about anything ever. If they want a player of the year award or something...do that. But there's absolutely no reason to mix the two.

Though I think they should have a playoffs mvp instead of finals mvp.

[dhsilv2]

Agree or disagree?

The MVP should be named after the playoffs. It gives us the real value of the best player in a season. If this lasted throughout the playoffs then SGA or Ant are probably the MVP. Your playoff success should also factor in for your MVP votes because those are the most important games imo.

Never disagreed more about anything ever. If they want a player of the year award or something...do that. But there's absolutely no reason to mix the two.

Though I think they should have a playoffs mvp instead of finals mvp.

I'd be more than OK with that. Same with those east and west conference MVP's.

[bstein14]

Part of the reason Jokic gets the MVP is because the makeup of his team truly does make him incredibly valuable to that group. He sets so many of those guys up for their offense. He's the best of all-time passing out of a double team. He doesn't have another all-star on his roster.

When you play with another all-star or two its harder to be more valuable to your team because you have other elite players out there who can carry the load when you're out.

Nuggets are close to a 60 win team with Jokic out there are and they are likely close to a 30 win team without Jokic out there and that's a crazy different for him to add 25-30 wins to that team.

[Calvin Klein]

Sometimes people need to accept what the majority thinks. This is why there's a vote for the awards. And that's why Shaq has only 1 MVP. Deal with it.

[Jadoogar]

Agree or disagree?

The MVP should be named after the playoffs. It gives us the real value of the best player in a season. If this lasted throughout the playoffs then SGA or Ant are probably the MVP. Your playoff success should also factor in for your MVP votes because those are the most important games imo.

Never disagreed more about anything ever. If they want a player of the year award or something...do that. But there's absolutely no reason to mix the two.

Though I think they should have a playoffs mvp instead of finals mvp.

it will almost certainly always be the same person every year. The same reason the FMVP goes to the winning team.

[Sixers in 4]

Sometimes people need to accept what the majority thinks. This is why there's a vote for the awards. And that's why Shaq has only 1 MVP. Deal with it.

The majority believed in slavery for a time. The majority can be and often is wrong.

[Wolfgang630]

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[Sixers in 4]

Name a team with five starting players better than Jokic maybe only the Wolves are deeper. Yes, there are guys in spots who are better but it is an extremely deep good starting lineup.

Murray.
Porter.
Gordon.
KCP.

Comeon now. Most teams would kill to have that starting lineup behind their star. I would as a Sixer fan I mean Maxey is great but the rest of our lineup was hot trash.

Where the Nuggets biggest weakness is their bench. Their GM keeps trading away talented bench guys and pretending it doesn't matter.

[itrsteve]

My favorite part about Jokic continuing to win this award is that you know that he 100% doesn't give a sh*t about it. No campaigning, no stat padding, just plays high IQ basketball.

[Raps in 4]

SGA was robbed. He had the better impact metrics and the better record.

I guess this is to make up for last season.

Their record was tied and better metrics were what? Jokic led in most advanced metrics

Yea I'd like to know too

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SGA: +8.8 EPM (led all eligible players)

Jokic: +7.0 EPM

[dhsilv2]

Never disagreed more about anything ever. If they want a player of the year award or something...do that. But there's absolutely no reason to mix the two.

Though I think they should have a playoffs mvp instead of finals mvp.

it will almost certainly always be the same person every year. The same reason the FMVP goes to the winning team.

I'm going to strongly disagree with this. First, I don't think it goes to the winning team every year. I'm positive for example Lebron gets at least 1-2 in losing years. Second, even among the winners you've got numerous ones that would change. But below are if we assume winning team gets it each year.

1973 - Frazier has a great case.
1976 - Cowens over Jo Jo?
1979 - Gus Williams vs DJ?
1980 - Kareem over Magic obviously
1981 - We're obviously giving this to Bird over Maxwell right?
1988 - Magic over Worthy of course
1989 - I'm assuming Isiah wins over Dumars
2004 - Would be a really interesting debate on that one between Rip Hamilton, Billups and Wallace
2007 - Obviously Duncan
2008 - KG would get it
2014 - Duncan? Though to be fair I think Lebron wins it
2015 - Curry
2017/18 - I think Curry's case gets stronger but who knows

Even if I'm half right here, that's a lot of changes.

[dhsilv2]

Their record was tied and better metrics were what? Jokic led in most advanced metrics

Yea I'd like to know too

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SGA: +8.8 EPM (led all eligible players)

Jokic: +7.0 EPM

That's just one RAPM based metric. LEBRON has Jokic ahead 6.56 vs 5.70. If I'm reading DARKO right it also had Jokic but I'm not familiar enough with their tool. Someone went and cloned RAPTOR from 538, Jokic 8.9 vs Shai 8.8. DRIP has Luka first, but Jokic second and Shai 7th 5.6 vs 4.2 with Luka at 6.1.

So I'm not seeing any argument that shai lead in most impact metrics.

[dhsilv2]

Name a team with five starting players better than Jokic maybe only the Wolves are deeper. Yes, there are guys in spots who are better but it is an extremely deep good starting lineup.

Murray.
Porter.
Gordon.
KCP.

Comeon now. Most teams would kill to have that starting lineup behind their star. I would as a Sixer fan I mean Maxey is great but the rest of our lineup was hot trash.

Where the Nuggets biggest weakness is their bench. Their GM keeps trading away talented bench guys and pretending it doesn't matter.

Benches matter a lot. But how about OKC?

Holmgren
Dort (OK he's a weak spot maybe)
Williams
Giddy

Boston

Holiday
Brown
White
Horfod/Porzingis

Bucks
Lillard
Lopez
Portis
Middleton

The Nuggets fit extremely well together and it's hard to argue against that synergy. But if we're just talking who's talent there are multiple teams.