Mirza Teletovic

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Re: Mirza Teletovic 

Post#31 » by vincecarter4pres » Fri Oct 11, 2013 10:34 pm

DrazenForThree wrote:where do you fit blatche in there?

id have no issue with mirza playing and reggie eating bench minutes. last year thats how it SHOULD have been. we needed scoring and spacing. we were gonna suck on D either way so playing the better offensive player made sense.

this year i think we need rebounding/hustle and the better defender as opposed to another shooter. the good thing about reggie is he doesnt need consistent minutes to do what he does, so you can really jerk his minutes around without much effect on his play. id try and use each as the situation calls for it. id also play mirza more with the starters then with the bench, to open it up for those guys or capitalize on them drawing double teams.

its just a clusterfuug... ideally we can trade mirza and recoup a first rounder or add some youth or something.

Between the 4 and the 5 there should be about 40 minutes a game to go around.

Say between AK, Tele, Blatche and Evans, you can spread them around.

5 to AK, the rest of his minutes at the 3.

16 to Blatche.

7 to Reggie.

12 to Tele.
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Re: Mirza Teletovic 

Post#32 » by Laure » Fri Oct 11, 2013 10:53 pm

Mirza Teletovic is actually Linas Kleiza in disguise.
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Post#33 » by vincecarter4pres » Fri Oct 11, 2013 11:03 pm

Laure wrote:Mirza Teletovic is actually Linas Kleiza in disguise.

Yeah he is similar.

Better shooter, better passer, better shot blocker, worse defender.
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Post#34 » by Novocaine » Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:17 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:
Laure wrote:Mirza Teletovic is actually Linas Kleiza in disguise.

Yeah he is similar.

Better shooter, better passer, better shot blocker, worse defender.


Teletovic is way more one-dimensional as a scorer relatively to Keiza and a worse rebounder.

Nets small 4 needs to be Kirilenko (at least in the playoffs). Teletovic weakens the rotation too much.
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Post#35 » by kingkirk » Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:37 am

Trader_Joe wrote:Most of us pray he gets Evans minutes this year, and with AK and KG there to play next to him, it's a possibility as his defense and rebounding is questionable.

Smart player, good passer and good scorer (more than just a shooter).

He claimed he wasn't prepared last season (major adjustment for him moving his family here and he bulked up which slowed him down) and says he's prepared better for this season.

We shall see.
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I honestly have no idea why he didn't play much last season.

I mean, without watching a host of games from the Nets last season, i would have to assume it was a mixture of Avery and PJ, but he just seemed like a logically fit to play off of Deron and Brook.

I'm not saying he should have been starting and playing 30+ minutes but i would have thought he deserved a little more than 9 minutes a game which he got last season.

He lacks in certain areas of the game, but when you have a knock down shooter from deep who is a big and seems like a logical fit with your 2 best players, he should get 15+ minutes a night.
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Post#36 » by HelloBrooklyn » Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:48 am

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Trader_Joe wrote:Most of us pray he gets Evans minutes this year, and with AK and KG there to play next to him, it's a possibility as his defense and rebounding is questionable.

Smart player, good passer and good scorer (more than just a shooter).

He claimed he wasn't prepared last season (major adjustment for him moving his family here and he bulked up which slowed him down) and says he's prepared better for this season.

We shall see.
He's probably the most polarizing player on the team as some have high hopes for him and others expect him to bust.


I honestly have no idea why he didn't play much last season.

I mean, without watching a host of games from the Nets last season, i would have to assume it was a mixture of Avery and PJ, but he just seemed like a logically fit to play off of Deron and Brook.

I'm not saying he should have been starting and playing 30+ minutes but i would have thought he deserved a little more than 9 minutes a game which he got last season.

He lacks in certain areas of the game, but when you have a knock down shooter from deep who is a big and seems like a logical fit with your 2 best players, he should get 15+ minutes a night.


There was an article about Popovich talking about the Nets international players (i.e. Teletovic) being misused and not being properly developed. So that pretty much answer your question
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Post#37 » by kingkirk » Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:51 am

HelloBrooklyn wrote:There was an article about Popovich talking about the Nets international players (i.e. Teletovic) being misused and not being properly developed. So that pretty much answer your question


I haven't read this, but im assuming he referenced Mirza in a positive light?

He would certainly fit in what San Antonio do.
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Post#38 » by HelloBrooklyn » Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:33 am

KingCuban wrote:
HelloBrooklyn wrote:There was an article about Popovich talking about the Nets international players (i.e. Teletovic) being misused and not being properly developed. So that pretty much answer your question


I haven't read this, but im assuming he referenced Mirza in a positive light?

He would certainly fit in what San Antonio do.


Yeah the article was on netsdaily I don't feel like searching about but you are more than welcome to find it lol
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Post#39 » by Trader_Joe » Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:00 pm

KingCuban wrote:
HelloBrooklyn wrote:There was an article about Popovich talking about the Nets international players (i.e. Teletovic) being misused and not being properly developed. So that pretty much answer your question


I haven't read this, but im assuming he referenced Mirza in a positive light?

He would certainly fit in what San Antonio do.

"I won’t mention the team, but a team we played this season … there was a foreign kid on there and the kid was open all the time. He was out there wondering, ‘What the…? I can’t get the ball?’ You’d see that look on his face five times during the game. While an American kid is dribbling in place, holding the ball. The guy played on a good team overseas, in a good program. He came over … [In Europe], he gets the ball and shoots it. Now, it doesn’t come."

Mirza Teletovic played 10 minutes in the Spurs blowout of the Nets, took one shot, a three, and missed it. Popovich was almost certainly talking about the Nets and Teletovic, say multiple sources. Pop's point, of course, was that the team was not making good use of a good player who was raised in a different system.

http://www.netsdaily.com/2013/2/7/39645 ... a-team-for

Nets have made a point to try to emulate San Antonio as the model for success. Coaches (Avery and PJ) as well as other help on the sidelines or front office. They also want to be able to find late draft talent, especially internationally like the Spurs.

So for Pop to say something like this was a major strike against PJ who was let go partly for his refusal and inability to play the new players.
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Post#40 » by Johnlac1 » Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:57 pm

You acquire a player like Teletovic to do one thing: score points for you. It might be coming off the bench and only playing 20-25 minutes per game, but if you've got him, you have to play to his strengths. If Teletovic is on a team that does that, he could easily average 15-20 ppg even in limited time. He's a more athletic Ryan Anderson...and Anderson is not a bad athlete. But if some team decides he first has to be an outstanding defensive player and pass the ball to less gifted scorers, he is being misused. End of story.
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Post#41 » by kamaze » Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:26 pm

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. - Roy Rogers had to do his best Mills Lane impression, stepping between two guys ready to throw a few swings.
Things had gotten a bit too physical between Andray Blatche and Mirza Teletovic at the tail end of practice Sunday, forcing the Nets assistant coach to play the role of peacemaker until their flaring tempers cooled off and they no longer were trying to charge at each other.


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Post#42 » by Chalk1 » Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:16 am

18, 6 and 4 (5-8 3pt shooting).......not a bad night
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Post#43 » by DarkXaero » Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:33 am

Awesome game today: 21 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists (7-13 FG, 5-9 3 pt) in ~ 29 minutes.

Played SF and PF in the game as the Nets SF rotation was pretty short today.
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Post#44 » by kamaze » Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:42 am

DarkXaero wrote:Awesome game today: 21 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists (7-13 FG, 5-9 3 pt) in ~ 29 minutes.

Played SF and PF in the game as the Nets SF rotation was pretty short today.


A new coach found a better role for him in preseason before Avery Johnson/PJ Carlesimo did all year.
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Post#45 » by DrazenForThree » Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:49 am

KingCuban wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:Most of us pray he gets Evans minutes this year, and with AK and KG there to play next to him, it's a possibility as his defense and rebounding is questionable.

Smart player, good passer and good scorer (more than just a shooter).

He claimed he wasn't prepared last season (major adjustment for him moving his family here and he bulked up which slowed him down) and says he's prepared better for this season.

We shall see.
He's probably the most polarizing player on the team as some have high hopes for him and others expect him to bust.


I honestly have no idea why he didn't play much last season.

I mean, without watching a host of games from the Nets last season, i would have to assume it was a mixture of Avery and PJ, but he just seemed like a logically fit to play off of Deron and Brook.

I'm not saying he should have been starting and playing 30+ minutes but i would have thought he deserved a little more than 9 minutes a game which he got last season.

He lacks in certain areas of the game, but when you have a knock down shooter from deep who is a big and seems like a logical fit with your 2 best players, he should get 15+ minutes a night.


it was a crime mirza didnt play last year. we already sucked on defense, made sense to at least have some scoring/shooting on the floor with mirza.

this year, yeah, it doesnt make much sense to play mirza alot since we have so much talent at the 4 and other guys roles are more important now that we have so much scoring and could use more D.

i hope we can trade him for something of value somewhere that he can get consistent playing time
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Post#46 » by DrazenForThree » Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:52 am

Johnlac1 wrote:You acquire a player like Teletovic to do one thing: score points for you. It might be coming off the bench and only playing 20-25 minutes per game, but if you've got him, you have to play to his strengths. If Teletovic is on a team that does that, he could easily average 15-20 ppg even in limited time. He's a more athletic Ryan Anderson...and Anderson is not a bad athlete. But if some team decides he first has to be an outstanding defensive player and pass the ball to less gifted scorers, he is being misused. End of story.


the problem isnt that he isnt an outstanding defender. its that he is a really poor liability on defense. i wouldnt even go so far as to say he is a poor defender so much as he is just lost on defense.

i think he needs to learn how defense is played in the nba, and how you need to rotate. i assume he probably was hidden and played aton of true zone defenses in europe. cause he looks lost on d here for sure.

if you can coach him up on that, i dont think physically he is awful on defense
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Post#47 » by Trader_Joe » Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:57 am

DarkXaero wrote:
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Based Schroeder wrote:Hows his defense? I'm really not a fan of bigs who play below average defense.

He's not really a big.
He's a stretch forward meant to come off the bench and provide offense.
He's strictly a stretch 4. He's incapable of playing SF and too small to play C.

Yes it was preseason and we were down bodies but I liked Kidd gave him a chance to play SF tonight next to KG and Lopez and he did fine. We have versatile enough defenders like AK and KG and rim protection from them and Brook to cover for him. At least st SF he has a line of defense that he wouldn't at PF.

And no you don't play him for 30 minutes and against the likes LBJ, Durant, Melo but there will be plenty of match ups that work.
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Post#48 » by DrazenForThree » Tue Oct 15, 2013 2:01 am

Trader_Joe wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:He's not really a big.
He's a stretch forward meant to come off the bench and provide offense.
He's strictly a stretch 4. He's incapable of playing SF and too small to play C.

Yes it was preseason and we were down bodies but I liked Kidd gave him a chance to play SF tonight next to KG and Lopez and he did fine. We have versatile enough defenders like AK and KG and rim protection from them and Brook to cover for him. At least st SF he has a line of defense that he wouldn't at PF.


we gave up alot of easy point because of his defense on the wing. rotated poorly and was shot faked out of his shoes leading to a layup twice. we arent getting away with that for a long stretch of time.

what KG/Brook do is kind of irrelevant since they likely wont be on the floor with mirza much. i aree with dark, he is strictly a 4 unless we are really struggling to shoot it from 3 on a given night
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Post#49 » by Trader_Joe » Tue Oct 15, 2013 2:04 am

DrazenForThree wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:He's strictly a stretch 4. He's incapable of playing SF and too small to play C.

Yes it was preseason and we were down bodies but I liked Kidd gave him a chance to play SF tonight next to KG and Lopez and he did fine. We have versatile enough defenders like AK and KG and rim protection from them and Brook to cover for him. At least st SF he has a line of defense that he wouldn't at PF.


we gave up alot of easy point because of his defense on the wing. rotated poorly and was shot faked out of his shoes leading to a layup twice. we arent getting away with that for a long stretch of time.

what KG/Brook do is kind of irrelevant since they likely wont be on the floor with mirza much. i aree with dark, he is strictly a 4 unless we are really struggling to shoot it from 3 on a given night

See my edit.

And like you said, it's more an IQ thing than a speed or ability thing. As we learn our defense and rotations there can be help at the rim.
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Post#50 » by Livno » Tue Oct 15, 2013 2:06 am

DarkXaero wrote:Awesome game today: 21 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists (7-13 FG, 5-9 3 pt) in ~ 29 minutes.

Played SF and PF in the game as the Nets SF rotation was pretty short today.


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