shi-woo wrote:Impuniti wrote:jigga_man wrote:
And did this without playing with an all star or all nba team mate
Almost feel sorry for the OP.
This is such a dumb, ignorant post. Just as bad as the one who created this topic. His "non all star" teammate averaged 33PPG on 65% TS in a conference finals. You want take a gander and guess how many 2nd choice all stars have achieved that in NBA history?
And this post is even worse than the other 2.
Caleb Martin last year averaged 19/6 on 60/50/90 shooting in the Conference finals, you ready to hand him a Max contract?
How are you comparing a 16/9 performance to someone who averaged 33? Or pretending as if Murray has never had a great series?
Just because one guy plays above his level for a fewgames doesn't change the fact that Nikola has done the most with least in the modern NBA.
The point of bringing up his team mates is because yall are clowning him when they don't show up, when he doesn't get the consistent help that other players get. It's all about consistency, no one cares if you had a Linsanity moment, everyone would much rather have Chris Paul year round.
And as the past couple threads have beaten to death, Jokic isn't playing with this all time great cast, and people need to stop acting like he does. "The Nuggets are a great team!" narrative is just trash, a way of discrediting an ATG compared to his peers who when they win it's "look at that carry job, Shaq in 01 LeBron in CLE!" and when they lose it's "LeBron needs more help! Kobe needs more help!"
Jokic and Steph seem to be held to a different, and in my opinion, higher standard than other stars. So yes, what Jokic is doing playing with a bunch of unaccomplished, non alltar/All NBA/MVP players, needs to be pointed out and heralded
I always appreciate strong confidence that's paired with total ignorance.
Jokic and Murray net rating on off in the 23' playoffs
+12 - Jokic on, Murray on
+3 - Jokic off, Murray on
-6 - Jokic on, Murray off
+14 - Jokic off, Murray off (38 mins, too small a sample to actually matter)
Remove Murray from the conversation
+9 - Jokic on vs off
+5.5 - Jokic off
Jokic's team last season has absolutely stepped up and been elite last postseason. Eye test and data both back this up. No Steph or Lebron team has ever had a +5.5 with either of them off the floor during a playoff run (25 season sample put together), including that 16-1 PS run with Steph & KD. Does this automatically mean that Jokic's team last PS was better than every team those 2 have been on? No, that's we use context and common sense with data. But this horrible take that Jokic played with a mediocre to crap team last season is not only factually wrong, it's a completely stupid take.