2011 MVP Discussion Thread Part 5

Post #376 » by **alucryts** » Tue Mar 8, 2011 3:51 am

magicman123 wrote:man rose takes a butt load of shots for a pg, playing well though

i wish hed take more some times. like tonight. it was the most boring game of the century and our team could not score. still it seemed rose barely shot at all and theres a bunch of times you want him to take it himself

cool007 · Post #377 » by **cool007** » Tue Mar 8, 2011 4:39 am

Efficiency can kiss my ass. Rose is the Bulls' offense. Deng going 2-12 and Korver missing every single of his shots in the 2nd half didn't help any.

Hornets just packed the paint and Rose had to in the trees of three and get the bucket, he got blocked a couple of times but there were couple of times where he was mugged without a call.

Like I said Efficiency can kiss my ass, I will take whatever Rose is doing and helping the Bulls win no matter how ugly the games become.

Rose with 24 points 4 rebounds 9 assists 1 steal 2 blocks (leading all PGs in blocks).

Gutted it out, the whole team looked out of Gas but Rose refuse to lose is good enough for me.

If Rose is not the front runner for MVP right now, people need to pay more attention I guess.

sefant77 · Post #378 » by **sefant77** » Tue Mar 8, 2011 4:47 am

8-21.

I guess you think then also that Iverson was 2001 the true MVP...

Post #379 » by **Senor Chang** » Tue Mar 8, 2011 4:50 am

sefant77 wrote:8-21.

I guess you think then also that Iverson was 2001 the true MVP...

6 rebounds sure is MVP worthy

Murk · Post #380 » by **Murk** » Tue Mar 8, 2011 4:51 am

The efficiency argument keeps coming up, but it feels more like people in the corner shouting about it to get attention while everyone continues to say "we're not really tryin' to hear all that mess."

And then pointing to the win/loss column.

NoMoreThrees · Post #381 » by **NoMoreThrees** » Tue Mar 8, 2011 4:52 am

You know I made my list of Kobe, Rose, Dirk. Then said no one else matters but I can't believe I left out Kevin Durant as a fourth candidate.

Just wanted to put his name in there for he deserves consideration. Won't win it, but, deserves the discussion all the same.

1. Kobe
2. Rose
3. Dirk
4. Durant

After that, well, there isn't anything to discuss as you're just not winning it.

Looking at the Spurs roster and stats man you just cannot imagine them being the top of the league but they are and there is no clear cut top player on that team. What a system and what a coach.

POP = COY.

Yet another man robbed of multiple COY titles. Second only to Jerry Sloan who deserved like ten. What's up with the league....

sefant77 · Post #382 » by **sefant77** » Tue Mar 8, 2011 5:01 am

cool007 wrote:
Rose with 24 points 4 rebounds 9 assists 1 steal 2 blocks in 41min (leading all PGs in blocks).

If Rose is not the front runner for MVP right now, people need to pay more attention I guess.

Now imaging him going for 25/6/2/1 on 12 shots in just 27min, you would freak out, huh?

NYK 455 · Post #383 » by **NYK 455** » Tue Mar 8, 2011 5:02 am

Murk wrote:The efficiency argument keeps coming up, but it feels more like people in the corner shouting about it to get attention while everyone continues to say "we're not really tryin' to hear all that mess."

And then pointing to the win/loss column.

And then pointing to the fact that the Bulls are one of the best defensive and rebounding teams in the NBA, and Rose has been scoring with mediocre efficiency, and the Bulls are below average on offense.

Rose shouldn't win the MVP.

barnett114 · Post #384 » by **barnett114** » Tue Mar 8, 2011 5:04 am

NYK 455 wrote:Rose shouldn't win the MVP.

Why, because you said so?

Post #385 » by **kingkirk** » Tue Mar 8, 2011 5:26 am

NYK 455 wrote:
Murk wrote:The efficiency argument keeps coming up, but it feels more like people in the corner shouting about it to get attention while everyone continues to say "we're not really tryin' to hear all that mess."

And then pointing to the win/loss column.

And then pointing to the fact that the Bulls are one of the best defensive and rebounding teams in the NBA, and Rose has been scoring with mediocre efficiency, and the Bulls are below average on offense.

Rose shouldn't win the MVP.

if Rose isnt on this team were comparable to the Milwaukee Bucks. How they going by the way?

Murk · Post #386 » by **Murk** » Tue Mar 8, 2011 5:29 am

NYK 455 wrote:Rose shouldn't win the MVP.

When all is said and done, I'm positive that you won't feel like you wasted your time campaigning so hard against Rose.

Bluewaterheaven · Post #387 » by **Bluewaterheaven** » Tue Mar 8, 2011 5:31 am

sefant77 wrote:
cool007 wrote:
Rose with 24 points 4 rebounds 9 assists 1 steal 2 blocks in 41min (leading all PGs in blocks).

If Rose is not the front runner for MVP right now, people need to pay more attention I guess.

Now imaging him going for 25/6/2/1 on 12 shots in just 27min, you would freak out, huh?

No I would actually be extremely pissed of is Rose was just averaging 2 assists per game. That would take him completely out of the MVP race, and make the Bulls drop a seed or two in the standings. Even if he was super efficient about it, he would not be doing the Most important thing, and that would be getting his teammates involved.

Now why don't you go sit in the corner for making such a stupid suggestion as that.

sefant77 · Post #388 » by **sefant77** » Tue Mar 8, 2011 5:42 am

Bluewaterheaven wrote:
sefant77 wrote:
cool007 wrote:
Rose with 24 points 4 rebounds 9 assists 1 steal 2 blocks in 41min (leading all PGs in blocks).

If Rose is not the front runner for MVP right now, people need to pay more attention I guess.

Now imaging him going for 25/6/2/1 on 12 shots in just 27min, you would freak out, huh?

No I would actually be extremely pissed of is Rose was just averaging 2 assists per game. That would take him completely out of the MVP race, and make the Bulls drop a seed or two in the standings. Even if he was super efficient about it, he would not be doing the Most important thing, and that would be getting his teammates involved.

Now why don't you go sit in the corner for making such a stupid suggestion as that.

Crying like a kid losing his favorite toy

DerrickandKirk · Post #389 » by **DerrickandKirk** » Tue Mar 8, 2011 6:23 am

Kinda tired of efficiency bitches, man. Go see games, people.

wade wilson · Post #390 » by **wade wilson** » Tue Mar 8, 2011 6:40 am

As a voter there are 2 ways that you can interpret the mvp award a player who is most valuable to a team which is a top seed or a player which placed on any team becomes a contender hence most valuable player in the league. If rose is mvp which category does he fall into? I would say the 1st since he is the most valuable player to chicago but placed on other teams would have to alter his play as he does not have the offensive skill or defensive to carry a team like lebron or dwight. But if you select rose why do you not consider dirk as both are equally important to there team and both have similar stats if you consider advanced (rose has better raw stats). I have rose as mvp atm but what grounds are there to dismiss dirk alltogether?
this question is for the rose homers who think even the thought of dirk or dwight getting mvp ova rose is jus tom foolery.

wade wilson · Post #391 » by **wade wilson** » Tue Mar 8, 2011 6:47 am

NoMoreThrees wrote:You know I made my list of Kobe, Rose, Dirk. Then said no one else matters but I can't believe I left out Kevin Durant as a fourth candidate.

Just wanted to put his name in there for he deserves consideration. Won't win it, but, deserves the discussion all the same.

1. Kobe
2. Rose
3. Dirk
4. Durant

After that, well, there isn't anything to discuss as you're just not winning it.

Looking at the Spurs roster and stats man you just cannot imagine them being the top of the league but they are and there is no clear cut top player on that team. What a system and what a coach.

POP = COY.

Yet another man robbed of multiple COY titles. Second only to Jerry Sloan who deserved like ten. What's up with the league....

You think Durant has a better chance at winning mvp over howard? not sure if this is a serious post?

TheRunKiller · Post #392 » by **TheRunKiller** » Tue Mar 8, 2011 7:10 am

sefant77 wrote:8-21.

I guess you think then also that Iverson was 2001 the true MVP...

seriously was this necessary? public warning.

TheRunKiller · Post #393 » by **TheRunKiller** » Tue Mar 8, 2011 7:15 am

sefant77 wrote:8-21.

I guess you think then also that Iverson was 2001 the true MVP...

check the box score, yep everyone on the bulls was killing tonight dude..korver 2-8 deng 2-12
boozer was the only one that was scoring and brewer was the only one scoring off the bench

I think rose should have shot more

hironimus · Post #394 » by **hironimus** » Tue Mar 8, 2011 12:31 pm

TheRunKiller wrote:
sefant77 wrote:8-21.

I guess you think then also that Iverson was 2001 the true MVP...

check the box score, yep everyone on the bulls was killing tonight dude..korver 2-8 deng 2-12
boozer was the only one that was scoring and brewer was the only one scoring off the bench

I think rose should have shot more

well, that points to the fact that the bulls offense sucks. i noticed that when i watched the 2 miami - chicago games ... everyone talks about great defensive battles and i have to admit you play awesome defense, but if you have to rely on rose it looks stagnant. it just looks awful at times. that is a very small sample size at my size, but thats my impression.

on another note: dirk made a possible game winner with 3 seconds left. if zbo wouldnt make his prayer rainbow everyone would be drooling about dirks game winner

but most people dont know about that shot because they didnt watch the dallas game. its just impossible to watch all games so most of the information comes out of boxscores and media reports (game recaps etc) - which can be tainted but give at least some quantifiable datas

Post #395 » by **alucryts** » Tue Mar 8, 2011 3:33 pm

hironimus wrote:
TheRunKiller wrote:
sefant77 wrote:8-21.

I guess you think then also that Iverson was 2001 the true MVP...

check the box score, yep everyone on the bulls was killing tonight dude..korver 2-8 deng 2-12
boozer was the only one that was scoring and brewer was the only one scoring off the bench

I think rose should have shot more

well, that points to the fact that the bulls offense sucks. i noticed that when i watched the 2 miami - chicago games ... everyone talks about great defensive battles and i have to admit you play awesome defense, but if you have to rely on rose it looks stagnant. it just looks awful at times. that is a very small sample size at my size, but thats my impression.

on another note: dirk made a possible game winner with 3 seconds left. if zbo wouldnt make his prayer rainbow everyone would be drooling about dirks game winner but most people dont know about that shot because they didnt watch the dallas game. its just impossible to watch all games so most of the information comes out of boxscores and media reports (game recaps etc) - which can be tainted but give at least some quantifiable datas

that was the craziest ending ever i was like DAM when memphis won lol.

but on rose, you should see our offense when he doesnt run it........oof there are no words. we have defensive minded defensive players and a really good offensive player is trying to get them to play offense. a really good offensive player on a GREAT defense is extremely valuable because without him, you get last years bobcats or this years bucks.

people love to throw out the team concept in MVP and say well they are winning because of defense. well, if you dont have a very good team you arent winning 55+.....