Draft Express closing, Givony joining ESPN

My Main Man · Post #41 » by **My Main Man** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:16 pm

MC3 wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/20118034/scouting-potential-no-1-pick-rj-barrett-more-top-prospects-fiba-u19s-nba-draft

It's already behind pay-wall. This seriously sucks. **** ESPN.

Seriously, **** ESPN. It's such a dated idea to have someone have to subscribe and log-in every time they want to read an article. So stupid. Post ads like a normal website.

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Post #42 » by **-Sammy-** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:16 pm

He's going to ESPN, eh? I wonder what made him decide to give up sports journalism.

the sea duck · Post #43 » by **the sea duck** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:26 pm

europeanfan wrote:
Brauer wrote:Can't wait for The Ringer or something like that to step up their free stuff.

That would be terrible, their guys would be afraid to contradict Bill Simmons and would be forced to put guys like Malik Monk above Fultz because Simmons saw him more often on tv and just loves him to death.

The Ringer publishes some entertaining content, but it's not about fair and deep analysis. Hell their main basketball guy Kevin O'Connor comes from celticsblog...

It's weird how you used an example from this recent draft where that literally did not happen at all.

MC3 · Post #44 » by **MC3** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:31 pm

BombsquadSammy wrote:He's going to ESPN, eh? I wonder what made him decide to give up sports journalism.

I think he decided to cash in. After 14 years he said I'll retire

BeanBurrito · Post #45 » by **BeanBurrito** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:33 pm

Good for them! Make that money. They've worked hard to get here.

Post #46 » by **Froob** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:33 pm

BombsquadSammy wrote:He's going to ESPN, eh? I wonder what made him decide to give up sports journalism.

Just went til posters make the jump to ESPN next. I'm awaiting their phone call.

Post #47 » by **TyCobb** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:42 pm

I remember when he first had a site with Prerak years ago. After that fallout he created DX and now made it to ESPN. Glad to see both keep climbing.

BlazersBroncos · Post #48 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:42 pm

This is terrible news for draftniks like me, but I cant blame him. 14 years of pretty tremendous content, all free of charge. He deserves to cash in.

ESPN is doing all it can to scoop up the Woj's and JohnG's of the world in a futile effort to adapt to the growing amount of excellent alternative content. They will fail. They still cater to the lowest common denominator fan on their primary network, and with all their free online content. They understand that the non-casual fan doesn't need ESPN anymore and they are trying to paywall ransom us into using them.

I will never pay for ESP'TMZ'N

europeanfan · Post #49 » by **europeanfan** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:43 pm

the sea duck wrote:
europeanfan wrote:
Brauer wrote:Can't wait for The Ringer or something like that to step up their free stuff.

That would be terrible, their guys would be afraid to contradict Bill Simmons and would be forced to put guys like Malik Monk above Fultz because Simmons saw him more often on tv and just loves him to death.

The Ringer publishes some entertaining content, but it's not about fair and deep analysis. Hell their main basketball guy Kevin O'Connor comes from celticsblog...

It's weird how you used an example from this recent draft where that literally did not happen at all.

Yeah it did happen :

https://soundcloud.com/the-bill-simmons-podcast/nba-summer-mailbag-special-ep-236#t=50:49

Tell me that guy is not afraid of going against Bill Simmons.

Post #50 » by **Duke4life831** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:44 pm

Froob wrote:
BombsquadSammy wrote:He's going to ESPN, eh? I wonder what made him decide to give up sports journalism.

Just went til posters make the jump to ESPN next. I'm awaiting their phone call.

Haha Im right there with you. Id gladly take a call from ESPN.

whitehops · Post #51 » by **whitehops** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:45 pm

Purch wrote:Lucky? That dude grinded from literally like 10 subscribers. I remember because I was one of his earliest subscribers, and I'd tell him about Insidehoops, realgm, Prosportsdaily, and he'd create accounts all to try to reach a bigger audience. The amount of effort he put into videos when no one was even watching them speaks to his commitment.

Luck has nothing to do with it. It's all about grind. He didn't start off being able to interview coaches and scouts, he literally was just a high school coach who built his way up.

i was more referencing the quality of the content, i'm sure he's worked hard to build up his brand.

Post #52 » by **Capn'O** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:55 pm

ATTL wrote:There will be a void now that ESPN bought out a competitor. Maybe some posters from this site could make a new draft site to fill that void, I remember givony asking for writers on this board when he first started up.

There was one Suns poster that did a bunch of long writeups and did an amazing job. Then there was that guy that did the mock drafts... BW doing the coordination... hmmm... Actually - the Suns forum might be the new DraftExpress.

Post #53 » by **-Sammy-** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:56 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
Froob wrote:
BombsquadSammy wrote:He's going to ESPN, eh? I wonder what made him decide to give up sports journalism.

Just went til posters make the jump to ESPN next. I'm awaiting their phone call.

Haha Im right there with you. Id gladly take a call from ESPN.

You sellouts; I turned down all of their numerous six-figure offers because I'm a man of principle.

OptionZero · Post #54 » by **OptionZero** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:59 pm

europeanfan wrote:
the sea duck wrote:
europeanfan wrote:That would be terrible, their guys would be afraid to contradict Bill Simmons and would be forced to put guys like Malik Monk above Fultz because Simmons saw him more often on tv and just loves him to death.

The Ringer publishes some entertaining content, but it's not about fair and deep analysis. Hell their main basketball guy Kevin O'Connor comes from celticsblog...

It's weird how you used an example from this recent draft where that literally did not happen at all.

Yeah it did happen :

https://soundcloud.com/the-bill-simmons-podcast/nba-summer-mailbag-special-ep-236#t=50:49

Tell me that guy is not afraid of going against Bill Simmons.

That podcast really doesn't represent The Ringer's content. Sure, Bill is the guy in charge, but one of his greatest strengths dating back to GRANTLAND was finding and empowering young writers

On his pods, nothing he says its serious. he does minimal research, he's not a stats guy, he's an entertaining guy.

For the written stuff and the sport-specific pods, it's not Simmons-centric Boston homerism

pods where its Kevin o'Connor and Tjarks or a guest, they're fine. i dont agree with them all the time, but you're not supposed to. its part of the process

their main NBA pod with Chris Vernon was an unsubscribe for me. No Zach Lowe from Grantland was painful. chris vernon is a memphis apologist, i can't stand his voice. no idea why the hell he got hired, he doesn't fit the profile of any of the grantland hires

NFL pod with Robery Mays = awesome and funny

MLB pods = i don't follow baseball, i dunno

Wrestling pods with Masked Man = entertaining

Game of Thrones stuff = top notch

Old Man Game · Post #55 » by **Old Man Game** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:03 pm

Oh jeez, well that was fun while it lasted. Not paying for insider. Did it for awhile and it wasn't worth it for no more often than I used it.

Hopefully someone else can find a way to fill the void he's leaving.

Old Man Game · Post #56 » by **Old Man Game** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:16 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:This is terrible news for draftniks like me, but I cant blame him. 14 years of pretty tremendous content, all free of charge. He deserves to cash in.

ESPN is doing all it can to scoop up the Woj's and JohnG's of the world in a futile effort to adapt to the growing amount of excellent alternative content. They will fail. They still cater to the lowest common denominator fan on their primary network, and with all their free online content. They understand that the non-casual fan doesn't need ESPN anymore and they are trying to paywall ransom us into using them.

I will never pay for ESP'TMZ'N

Agree with everything word of this. ESPN has fallen into a very tabloid sort of journalism. It is vapid, trash content and Givony will eventually be brought down to their level by the party line surrounding their corporate culture.

But hey, enjoy those checks while they last, Jon.

heatwillbeback · Post #57 » by **heatwillbeback** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:21 pm

Only way to describe this is disappointing.

Congrats to JG- best in the business without question- but since his content will be insider most people are not going to pay for that.

madmaxmedia · Post #58 » by **madmaxmedia** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:29 pm

LofJ wrote:
MC3 wrote:ESPN is that blackhole which keep swallowing everything around it. First Woj, now draft express. This hurts. Glad man got paid, but this seriously sucks for basketball fans. We will likely not be anymore given same treatment to all players, hype to certain prospects and pushing for them, proper breakdown analysis, and this will now become glorified ballmixhopes crap for big network.

It's a good opportunity for someone else out there to replicate what DX did.

Now would be a great time to start 'NBADraftExpress.com' to fill that hole, and maybe eventually get acquired by ESPN in 2-3 years...

madmaxmedia · Post #59 » by **madmaxmedia** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:31 pm

76ciology wrote:Doncic

Player Comparison: Michael Jordan

..can't wait

From now on, only 'Strengths' videos, no 'Weaknesses'!

madmaxmedia · Post #60 » by **madmaxmedia** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:32 pm

Lakerfan17 wrote:
MC3 wrote:
LofJ wrote:
It's a good opportunity for someone else out there to replicate what DX did.

I dont know if anyone can. They had legit scouting network. If it does it will take time.
. It's funny, nbadraft.net is actually older but for some reason the site is exactly the same as it was 15 years ago.

When I go there it feels like it is still optimized for dial-up.