What is a TRAVEL in the NBA?

SweaterBae · Post #41 » by **SweaterBae** » Mon Dec 25, 2023 3:27 am

og15 wrote:
Ater he gathers the ball, he takes two steps, nothing really exciting on this one.

That's just not true. The dribble is completed when the ball returns to his hand. "the gather" rules are not for live dribbles.

prophet_of_rage · Post #42 » by **prophet_of_rage** » Mon Dec 25, 2023 4:02 am

eyeatoma wrote:
vital_signs wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Giannis does it alot.

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Johnny Bball · Post #43 » by **Johnny Bball** » Mon Dec 25, 2023 5:18 am

Watch on YouTube

Pelon chingon · Post #44 » by **Pelon chingon** » Mon Dec 25, 2023 5:29 am

It's why I LOL when people say today's hoopers are more skilled. Yeah sure when you throw the rule book out and don't even allow a defense to look at the offense funny you'll get more points on the board.

Whole Truth · Post #45 » by **Whole Truth** » Mon Dec 25, 2023 6:43 am

Pretty sure it's been said but I'm going to repeat it anyway.

Like any other rule, it's what the refs want it to be. Their level of subjectivity = control/manipulation.

Officials can't make a team win but they can control momentum in a big & subtle way.

VIP's like Giannis are allowed frequent flyer miles, while others ride coach. Flashy plays at the rim = entertainment, they would never affect that by calling the extra step or 2.

Catering to stars = catering to ratings = catering to revenue

It's more entertainment than true competition.

Mephariel · Post #46 » by **Mephariel** » Mon Dec 25, 2023 8:50 am

SweaterBae wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
Ah right, so you know that he traveled there.

You can’t travel with a live dribble.

It's still 3 steps. You're right that people don't seem to understand that you can dance around like Ali while the dribble is live, but that ball returns to his hand after it kinda gets away from him and 3 footfalls later he dunks it. Travel.

Not a travel. He gathered and took 2 steps.

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SweaterBae · Post #47 » by **SweaterBae** » Mon Dec 25, 2023 9:49 am

Mephariel wrote:
SweaterBae wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:You can’t travel with a live dribble.

It's still 3 steps. You're right that people don't seem to understand that you can dance around like Ali while the dribble is live, but that ball returns to his hand after it kinda gets away from him and 3 footfalls later he dunks it. Travel.
Not a travel. He gathered and took 2 steps.

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Absolutely false. 100% wrong. You can't gather the ball if you're in possession of it. People keep preaching the gather and have no idea what it actually means. If your argument is he lost the dribble, he didn't. The gather happened in the backcourt when he took possession of the loose ball. After he dribbles the final time he takes 3 steps. When the ball returns to your hand after a live dribble, and you do not dribble again, any step that occurs after the final dribble is what counts towards traveling. I don't understand why this needs to be explained over and over.

Gusto1903 · Post #48 » by **Gusto1903** » Mon Dec 25, 2023 9:58 am

Ive seen worse.

I hate carries much more.

SweaterBae · Post #49 » by **SweaterBae** » Mon Dec 25, 2023 10:04 am

Gusto1903 wrote:Ive seen worse.

I hate carries much more.

Carrying is the bane of the game.

FarBeyondDriven · Post #50 » by **FarBeyondDriven** » Mon Dec 25, 2023 10:04 am

almost everything in modern NBA basketball is either blatantly illegal or should be, because it's against the spirit of the rule. It's like a completely different, and much much worse, sport, since the late 90s. I think two steps should only be allowed if you're going towards the basket like in a layup. That's why, technically, while many of these stepback threes are legal, they're really against the spirit of the rule and shouldn't be. And we all know everyone carries the ball, pushes off, moving screens, flops, etc. It's just sad at this point. Almost unwatchable

CM17 · Post #51 » by **CM17** » Mon Dec 25, 2023 10:34 am

Players like Harden claim a "loophole" in the rules. Like you can do everything during the last dribble before the gather. Unfortunately NBA accepts this and won't change. I always cringe when I hear about the 0 step. So you can make a step that isn't a step?

ORLMagicGirl15 · Post #52 » by **ORLMagicGirl15** » Mon Dec 25, 2023 2:00 pm

Travel in the NBA is when a team plays an away game, which has become the same length of time it takes Giannis to shoot a free throw.

KMartsCrew · Post #53 » by **KMartsCrew** » Mon Dec 25, 2023 2:14 pm

JRoy wrote:Short answer;

Depends who you are.

And that is the problem.

Lockdown504090 · Post #54 » by **Lockdown504090** » Mon Dec 25, 2023 2:31 pm

SweaterBae wrote:
Mephariel wrote:
SweaterBae wrote:
It's still 3 steps. You're right that people don't seem to understand that you can dance around like Ali while the dribble is live, but that ball returns to his hand after it kinda gets away from him and 3 footfalls later he dunks it. Travel.
Not a travel. He gathered and took 2 steps.

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Absolutely false. 100% wrong. You can't gather the ball if you're in possession of it. People keep preaching the gather and have no idea what it actually means. If your argument is he lost the dribble, he didn't. The gather happened in the backcourt when he took possession of the loose ball. After he dribbles the final time he takes 3 steps. When the ball returns to your hand after a live dribble, and you do not dribble again, any step that occurs after the final dribble is what counts towards traveling. I don't understand why this needs to be explained over and over.

http://www.hoopsplaybook.ca/notes/fiba-travel.htm

player who catches the ball while he is progressing, or upon completion of a dribble, may take two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball:
NBA language is basically the same, using "gathers" instead of "catches"; the first steps occurs when a foot, or both feet, touch the floor after the player gathers the ball.

Post #55 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Dec 25, 2023 2:44 pm

theforumblue wrote:Gather, one, two shot. Legal. Way they call travel has changed. Get over it already.

He took three steps after the gather. It's not like you still get the third step if you gather from a standstill and go. That was a travel.

Lockdown504090 · Post #56 » by **Lockdown504090** » Mon Dec 25, 2023 3:00 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
theforumblue wrote:Gather, one, two shot. Legal. Way they call travel has changed. Get over it already.

He took three steps after the gather. It's not like you still get the third step if you gather from a standstill and go. That was a travel.

where do you believe the gather to be?

Bobbymcgee · Post #57 » by **Bobbymcgee** » Mon Dec 25, 2023 3:12 pm

That depends.

Is it a rookie? Yes, it's a travel.

Is it a superstar player? No, it's not a travel.

Everyone else? Maybe, maybe not.

God Squad · Post #58 » by **God Squad** » Mon Dec 25, 2023 3:28 pm

KMartsCrew wrote:
JRoy wrote:Short answer;

Depends who you are.

And that is the problem.

I'd be so pissed. Ref's staring right at LeBron and Bojan and he's like

"Carry on"

Crazy stuff man :lol:

Accurim · Post #59 » by **Accurim** » Mon Dec 25, 2023 6:27 pm

some ppl seemingly refuse to learn what gather step/end of live dribble/gathering the ball means. if you want to actually learn can watch @mdwbasketball on instagram for awhile and it should become clear.

this play is clean, but i did have to watch a few times on video to see when he put two hands on the ball (gather step on right foot, into step1 left-step2right stepback).

yes this is move you'd never see in the 90s or mid 2000s; but its 2023 and its 100% pure legal by rulebook.

Post #60 » by **cupcakesnake** » Mon Dec 25, 2023 6:57 pm

theforumblue wrote:Gather, one, two shot. Legal. Way they call travel has changed. Get over it already.

In my mind, the bigger problem is a failure to teach fans the rule change.
It's not even an NBA thing. FIBA added "step zero" around the same time the NBA clarified gather step rules. I remember refs explaining it to team captains at the start of the season even in recreational basketball leagues.

There are still plenty of travels that refs miss, but it's rarely egregious as fans think when they're counting steps during the gather.

Is this a legal basketball move?