Porzingis: Jokic is the best player in the world

[Karate Diop]

So Embiid says if AFTER playing against him and having an amazing game, KP says it as well.....

Y’all remember this

https://youtu.be/YQj7M9K0gUM?si=ZisFQV2ep4TLzPUk

When magic and Bird said MJ was the best and they were still good it got scary


when your contemporaries say this that’s when you know it’s true

LBJ and Curry in their primes never really said KD was better than them or best on earth....

The best of the era calling Jokic the best of the era lol

Kinda MJ and LBJ like

Curry u equivocally ceded lead responsibilities to KD and willingly became the backup singer on his own 'Chise.

Sometimes actions speak louder than words. Curry 100% acknowledged KD was the daddy in G-State and he was son.

[og15]

People thinking about athleticism still only think it’s about running fast and jumping high. Jokic is incredibly athletic in a lot of areas. I’d argue that his kind of athleticism is a lot rarer and more valuable than that of the typical “freak athlete” that most tend to think of.

I think it is because we kind of forget that basketball isn't a sprinting and jumping competition, it's a putting the ball in a basket competition.

In reality, when we talk about basketball, we should talk about "physical tools", not simply "athleticism", since how athleticism is interpreted by many tends to be mainly the run and jump....but basketball is about physical tools, and run and jump are two of them, but all the great guys who also had great run and jump had a lot of other tools that made the run and jump functional. In reality, even just a basic athleticism understanding should include stamina, strength, power and flexibility in addition to speed, jumping and agility.

A great ping pong player is a great athlete for his sport, and running and jumping is not what he's concerned about. It is hand eye coordination, reaction time, speed, flexibility and agility. Jokic physical tools wise has asome very useful baseline ones for basketball, height, length and strength. Now, when he was drafted he was also very lacking in conditioning, but his last year overseas after he was drafted, he improved that some and then improved it much further in the NBA, so of course that also helped a ton.

What we do also see that in addition to height, length and strength, he has an abundance of attributes like touch/feel (dexterity), reaction time (eg: his kick ball ability is actually pretty impressive), balance, flexibility, and not all these things one can get by just effort when it comes to the highest levels, some just have a higher baseline of it, then you add all that to his elite IQ, lol.

I think of someone like Kyle Anderson even, if he had some of that lower body strength of guys like Luka and Jokic, he goes from being strong enough, not saying he's weak, but to being a bull, and he might be able to be even more than he is, not saying a star, but maybe, because his tools would then be somewhat like how he compared to guys in college now and it would allow him to get to more places on the floor when he wants. 6'9 and long arms are pretty nice starting point of basketball physical tools when you are skilled and have high IQ.

[dhsilv2]

So Embiid says if AFTER playing against him and having an amazing game, KP says it as well.....

Y’all remember this

https://youtu.be/YQj7M9K0gUM?si=ZisFQV2ep4TLzPUk

When magic and Bird said MJ was the best and they were still good it got scary


when your contemporaries say this that’s when you know it’s true

LBJ and Curry in their primes never really said KD was better than them or best on earth....

The best of the era calling Jokic the best of the era lol

Kinda MJ and LBJ like

Curry u equivocally ceded lead responsibilities to KD and willingly became the backup singer on his own 'Chise.

Sometimes actions speak louder than words. Curry 100% acknowledged KD was the daddy in G-State and he was son.

Curry gave KD the low value iso role and they adjusted the team to take advantage of KD's strengths. But the offense was still fully built around Curry and team's didn't show KD any respect in the playoffs. Curry was the focal point of defenses because he was the guy that teams had to stop to beat the warriors.

[dhsilv2]

People thinking about athleticism still only think it’s about running fast and jumping high. Jokic is incredibly athletic in a lot of areas. I’d argue that his kind of athleticism is a lot rarer and more valuable than that of the typical “freak athlete” that most tend to think of.

I think it is because we kind of forget that basketball isn't a sprinting and jumping competition, it's a putting the ball in a basket competition.

In reality, when we talk about basketball, we should talk about "physical tools", not simply "athleticism", since how athleticism is interpreted by many tends to be mainly the run and jump....but basketball is about physical tools, and run and jump are two of them, but all the great guys who also had great run and jump had a lot of other tools that made the run and jump functional. In reality, even just a basic athleticism understanding should include stamina, strength, power and flexibility in addition to speed, jumping and agility.

A great ping pong player is a great athlete for his sport, and running and jumping is not what he's concerned about. It is hand eye coordination, reaction time, speed, flexibility and agility. Jokic physical tools wise has asome very useful baseline ones for basketball, height, length and strength. Now, when he was drafted he was also very lacking in conditioning, but his last year overseas after he was drafted, he improved that some and then improved it much further in the NBA, so of course that also helped a ton.

What we do also see that in addition to height, length and strength, he has an abundance of attributes like touch/feel (dexterity), reaction time (eg: his kick ball ability is actually pretty impressive), balance, flexibility, and not all these things one can get by just effort when it comes to the highest levels, some just have a higher baseline of it, then you add all that to his elite IQ, lol.

I think of someone like Kyle Anderson even, if he had some of that lower body strength of guys like Luka and Jokic, he goes from being strong enough, not saying he's weak, but to being a bull, and he might be able to be even more than he is, not saying a star, but maybe, because his tools would then be somewhat like how he compared to guys in college now and it would allow him to get to more places on the floor when he wants. 6'9 and long arms are pretty nice starting point of basketball physical tools when you are skilled and have high IQ.

Hand size is another huge factor. While it might get limiting after a point, guys like Jordan and Leonard were able to do things with the ball others couldn't. Jokic's hands are just exceptional. He's able to finish shots and passes from almost anywhere because of them. While that's certainly a trained kill...the foundation was rooted in his hands giving him those foundational tools.

[og15]

He is and it confuses me. He is one of the most unatheletic players I've ever seen. He barely jumps off the ground, moves slow, flat footed on defense, yet here he is. His bball iq is top notch. So much so that it cancels out what I listed.

Calling Jokic unatheletic is an absolutely embarrassing take.

I think we should be fair to people on this though, because even NBA commentators and players themselves definite athleticism pretty narrowly when they are talking about it. Players of course are just regular people who are really good at basketball, so we shouldnt expect them to be giving great definitions, that's not their job.

Jokic has called himself unathletic, but he also means it in the way that excludes height, length, strength, dexterity, hand eye, reaction time, etc as athletic tools for basketball, and is mainly focused on run and jump, so with that definition, yes, he's unathletic. Of course it's not the most useful definition for discussing basketball tools.

People thinking about athleticism still only think it’s about running fast and jumping high. Jokic is incredibly athletic in a lot of areas. I’d argue that his kind of athleticism is a lot rarer and more valuable than that of the typical “freak athlete” that most tend to think of.

I think it is because we kind of forget that basketball isn't a sprinting and jumping competition, it's a putting the ball in a basket competition.

In reality, when we talk about basketball, we should talk about "physical tools", not simply "athleticism", since how athleticism is interpreted by many tends to be mainly the run and jump....but basketball is about physical tools, and run and jump are two of them, but all the great guys who also had great run and jump had a lot of other tools that made the run and jump functional. In reality, even just a basic athleticism understanding should include stamina, strength, power and flexibility in addition to speed, jumping and agility.

A great ping pong player is a great athlete for his sport, and running and jumping is not what he's concerned about. It is hand eye coordination, reaction time, speed, flexibility and agility. Jokic physical tools wise has asome very useful baseline ones for basketball, height, length and strength. Now, when he was drafted he was also very lacking in conditioning, but his last year overseas after he was drafted, he improved that some and then improved it much further in the NBA, so of course that also helped a ton.

What we do also see that in addition to height, length and strength, he has an abundance of attributes like touch/feel (dexterity), reaction time (eg: his kick ball ability is actually pretty impressive), balance, flexibility, and not all these things one can get by just effort when it comes to the highest levels, some just have a higher baseline of it, then you add all that to his elite IQ, lol.

I think of someone like Kyle Anderson even, if he had some of that lower body strength of guys like Luka and Jokic, he goes from being strong enough, not saying he's weak, but to being a bull, and he might be able to be even more than he is, not saying a star, but maybe, because his tools would then be somewhat like how he compared to guys in college now and it would allow him to get to more places on the floor when he wants. 6'9 and long arms are pretty nice starting point of basketball physical tools when you are skilled and have high IQ.

Hand size is another huge factor. While it might get limiting after a point, guys like Jordan and Leonard were able to do things with the ball others couldn't. Jokic's hands are just exceptional. He's able to finish shots and passes from almost anywhere because of them. While that's certainly a trained kill...the foundation was rooted in his hands giving him those foundational tools.

Oh, yes, great one, the ability to manipulate the ball with one hand while having full control is huge for finishing around the basket, making certain passes, yes, didn't even think about that one, but very true.

[CobraCommander]

So Embiid says if AFTER playing against him and having an amazing game, KP says it as well.....

Y’all remember this

https://youtu.be/YQj7M9K0gUM?si=ZisFQV2ep4TLzPUk

When magic and Bird said MJ was the best and they were still good it got scary


when your contemporaries say this that’s when you know it’s true

LBJ and Curry in their primes never really said KD was better than them or best on earth....

The best of the era calling Jokic the best of the era lol

Kinda MJ and LBJ like

Curry u equivocally ceded lead responsibilities to KD and willingly became the backup singer on his own 'Chise.

Sometimes actions speak louder than words. Curry 100% acknowledged KD was the daddy in G-State and he was son.

Curry gave KD the low value iso role and they adjusted the team to take advantage of KD's strengths. But the offense was still fully built around Curry and team's didn't show KD any respect in the playoffs. Curry was the focal point of defenses because he was the guy that teams had to stop to beat the warriors.

How does anyone not get this is beyond me....

Curry did what was best to win and not lose the support of the fragile ego of KD...then Curry won one with Wiggins playing the KD role and a broken down Klay and Dray...

[dhsilv2]

Curry u equivocally ceded lead responsibilities to KD and willingly became the backup singer on his own 'Chise.

Sometimes actions speak louder than words. Curry 100% acknowledged KD was the daddy in G-State and he was son.

Curry gave KD the low value iso role and they adjusted the team to take advantage of KD's strengths. But the offense was still fully built around Curry and team's didn't show KD any respect in the playoffs. Curry was the focal point of defenses because he was the guy that teams had to stop to beat the warriors.

How does anyone not get this is beyond me....

Curry did what was best to win and not lose the support of the fragile ego of KD...then Curry won one with Wiggins playing the KD role and a broken down Klay and Dray...

How people saw this play and could think it was about KD...defenders closing out on Curry vs stopping KD driving for a dunk.

Watch on YouTube

[Ambrose]

Thanks KP, but we already knew that.

[CobraCommander]

Curry gave KD the low value iso role and they adjusted the team to take advantage of KD's strengths. But the offense was still fully built around Curry and team's didn't show KD any respect in the playoffs. Curry was the focal point of defenses because he was the guy that teams had to stop to beat the warriors.

How does anyone not get this is beyond me....

Curry did what was best to win and not lose the support of the fragile ego of KD...then Curry won one with Wiggins playing the KD role and a broken down Klay and Dray...

How people saw this play and could think it was about KD...defenders closing out on Curry vs stopping KD driving for a dunk.

Watch on YouTube

KD played with Two guys in their prime that were automatic from 3 If left open for a nano second....you can’t leave Curry or it’s 3 - give up the dunk cause it’s 2

[One_and_Done]

When Denver loses in the playoffs this year we can hopefully come back down to earth on Jokic

What Jokic did to you ?

Nothing. He just isn't as good as his hype.

[bledredwine]

When Denver loses in the playoffs this year we can hopefully come back down to earth on Jokic

What Jokic did to you ?

Nothing. He just isn't as good as his hype.

Chill out man. Lebron's clearly not the GOAT, so your agenda doesn't matter anyway.

I don't see why else you'd bring up an old thread about Jokic.
And yes, he is the best player in the world, regardless.

By the way, 2011

[One_and_Done]

What Jokic did to you ?

Nothing. He just isn't as good as his hype.

Chill out man. Lebron's clearly not the GOAT, so your agenda doesn't matter anyway.

I don't see why else you'd bring up an old thread about Jokic.
And yes, he is the best player in the world, regardless.

By the way, 2011

He is the best RS player.

[bledredwine]

Nothing. He just isn't as good as his hype.

Chill out man. Lebron's clearly not the GOAT, so your agenda doesn't matter anyway.

I don't see why else you'd bring up an old thread about Jokic.
And yes, he is the best player in the world, regardless.

By the way, 2011

He is the best RS player.

And he's been the best in the playoffs, and it hasn't been that close either.

Jokic, then everyone else;

ANT
Anthony Davis
Embiid
Lebron
Brunson


He didn't have a good game 7. I'll give you that. Perhaps this will be his 2011, but it's way better than Lebron 2011.

[Dirk]

No logic for bumping this topic.