Where do you Rank Scottie Pippen in 2024 Season

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Re: Where do you Rank Scottie Pippen? 

Post#61 » by SportsGuru08 » Sat May 11, 2024 1:28 am

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Paul George has health issues too, why are you blaming his lack of championships on everyone else's health? He's often the reason why his teams fall short!


What year does Pippen win with Paul George’s supporting cast?

PG13 never played with a player as good as Jordan, and players like Roy Hibbert, Steven Adams, and Terrance Mann aren’t on the same level as Horace Grant or Dennis Rodman.


Pippen went to the WCF without Jordan... He led that Portland team there at age 34.


Correction, he rode the coat tails of the most stacked roster in the NBA. That team had already been in the WCF the year before.

Then even when surrounded by all that talent he still couldn't get the job done.
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Post#62 » by SelfishPlayer » Sat May 11, 2024 1:38 am

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What year does Pippen win with Paul George’s supporting cast?

PG13 never played with a player as good as Jordan, and players like Roy Hibbert, Steven Adams, and Terrance Mann aren’t on the same level as Horace Grant or Dennis Rodman.


Pippen went to the WCF without Jordan... He led that Portland team there at age 34.


Correction, he rode the coat tails of the most stacked roster in the NBA. That team had already been in the WCF the year before.

Then even when surrounded by all that talent he still couldn't get the job done.


Rasheed Wallace led that team in scoring at 16.4 ppg that season. :crazy:
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Re: Where do you Rank Scottie Pippen in 2024 Season 

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Re: Where do you Rank Scottie Pippen? 

Post#64 » by NZB2323 » Sat May 11, 2024 2:04 am

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Paul George has health issues too, why are you blaming his lack of championships on everyone else's health? He's often the reason why his teams fall short!


What year does Pippen win with Paul George’s supporting cast?

PG13 never played with a player as good as Jordan, and players like Roy Hibbert, Steven Adams, and Terrance Mann aren’t on the same level as Horace Grant or Dennis Rodman.


Pippen went to the WCF without Jordan... He led that Portland team there at age 34.


Pippen was 3rd on that team in WS.

PG13 led his team in WS and made the ECF in 2014.
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Re: Where do you Rank Scottie Pippen? 

Post#65 » by SportsGuru08 » Sat May 11, 2024 2:08 am

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Pippen went to the WCF without Jordan... He led that Portland team there at age 34.


Correction, he rode the coat tails of the most stacked roster in the NBA. That team had already been in the WCF the year before.

Then even when surrounded by all that talent he still couldn't get the job done.


Rasheed Wallace led that team in scoring at 16.4 ppg that season. :crazy:


They had 7 or 8 guys who could give you 25 points any given night. They had several bench players who'd have been starters on most other teams. The OC Register's headline prior to the WCF was "Two Deep vs Too Deep"

That's more talent than any of the Bulls championship teams.

And you're acting like Scottie was playing with the '99 Clippers.
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Re: Where do you Rank Scottie Pippen? 

Post#66 » by SelfishPlayer » Sat May 11, 2024 2:33 am

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Correction, he rode the coat tails of the most stacked roster in the NBA. That team had already been in the WCF the year before.

Then even when surrounded by all that talent he still couldn't get the job done.


Rasheed Wallace led that team in scoring at 16.4 ppg that season. :crazy:


They had 7 or 8 guys who could give you 25 points any given night. They had several bench players who'd have been starters on most other teams. The OC Register's headline prior to the WCF was "Two Deep vs Too Deep"

That's more talent than any of the Bulls championship teams.

And you're acting like Scottie was playing with the '99 Clippers.


Numbers don't lie, I gave you their leading scorer...
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Re: Where do you Rank Scottie Pippen? 

Post#67 » by SelfishPlayer » Sat May 11, 2024 2:35 am

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What year does Pippen win with Paul George’s supporting cast?

PG13 never played with a player as good as Jordan, and players like Roy Hibbert, Steven Adams, and Terrance Mann aren’t on the same level as Horace Grant or Dennis Rodman.


Pippen went to the WCF without Jordan... He led that Portland team there at age 34.


Pippen was 3rd on that team in WS.

PG13 led his team in WS and made the ECF in 2014.



Lol at you comparing Pippen at 34 to PG in his prime. What sort of leading did PG do this year?
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Re: Where do you Rank Scottie Pippen? 

Post#68 » by GregOden » Sat May 11, 2024 2:38 am

SelfishPlayer wrote:He's like a playmaking point guard version of Kawhi. Kawhi sometimes has been regarded as the second best player in the league behind LeBron. He would be in discussion for best player in the league. He finished 3rd in MVP voting that year you presented. He's a lock down defensive player and a championship level playmaker. Top 3...


Pippen's scoring efficiency has never been Kawhi tier. Hell he's never really even been really as efficient a scorer as even Paul George. His defense and endurance and playmaking were always his main strengths.
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Re: Where do you Rank Scottie Pippen? 

Post#69 » by SportsGuru08 » Sat May 11, 2024 2:38 am

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Rasheed Wallace led that team in scoring at 16.4 ppg that season. :crazy:


They had 7 or 8 guys who could give you 25 points any given night. They had several bench players who'd have been starters on most other teams. The OC Register's headline prior to the WCF was "Two Deep vs Too Deep"

That's more talent than any of the Bulls championship teams.

And you're acting like Scottie was playing with the '99 Clippers.


Numbers don't lie, I gave you their leading scorer...


The facts show that the Blazers, with largely the same roster, were in the WCF the year before. Pippen didn't do anything special.

Again, stop acting like he inherited the '99 Clippers.
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Re: Where do you Rank Scottie Pippen? 

Post#70 » by SelfishPlayer » Sat May 11, 2024 2:44 am

GregOden wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:He's like a playmaking point guard version of Kawhi. Kawhi sometimes has been regarded as the second best player in the league behind LeBron. He would be in discussion for best player in the league. He finished 3rd in MVP voting that year you presented. He's a lock down defensive player and a championship level playmaker. Top 3...


Pippen's scoring efficiency has never been Kawhi tier. Hell he's never really even been really as efficient a scorer as even Paul George. His defense and endurance and playmaking were always his main strengths.


Scoring efficiency increases with defensive three second and charge circle rule implementation.
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Re: Where do you Rank Scottie Pippen? 

Post#71 » by bledredwine » Sat May 11, 2024 2:51 am

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They had 7 or 8 guys who could give you 25 points any given night. They had several bench players who'd have been starters on most other teams. The OC Register's headline prior to the WCF was "Two Deep vs Too Deep"

That's more talent than any of the Bulls championship teams.

And you're acting like Scottie was playing with the '99 Clippers.


Numbers don't lie, I gave you their leading scorer...


The facts show that the Blazers, with largely the same roster, were in the WCF the year before. Pippen didn't do anything special.

Again, stop acting like he inherited the '99 Clippers.


Pippen was a third option on that blazers team.
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Re: Where do you Rank Scottie Pippen? 

Post#72 » by SportsGuru08 » Sat May 11, 2024 2:52 am

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What year does Pippen win with Paul George’s supporting cast?

PG13 never played with a player as good as Jordan, and players like Roy Hibbert, Steven Adams, and Terrance Mann aren’t on the same level as Horace Grant or Dennis Rodman.


Pippen went to the WCF without Jordan... He led that Portland team there at age 34.


Pippen was 3rd on that team in WS.

PG13 led his team in WS and made the ECF in 2014.


And fifth in WS per 48.
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Re: Where do you Rank Scottie Pippen? 

Post#73 » by SelfishPlayer » Sat May 11, 2024 2:53 am

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They had 7 or 8 guys who could give you 25 points any given night. They had several bench players who'd have been starters on most other teams. The OC Register's headline prior to the WCF was "Two Deep vs Too Deep"

That's more talent than any of the Bulls championship teams.

And you're acting like Scottie was playing with the '99 Clippers.


Numbers don't lie, I gave you their leading scorer...


The facts show that the Blazers, with largely the same roster, were in the WCF the year before. Pippen didn't do anything special.

Again, stop acting like he inherited the '99 Clippers.


Yes they did get swept by the Spurs in that lock out shortened season and took the Lakers to a game seven the next season with Pippen starting at PG. The Mavs went to the WCF a couple seasons ago, replaced Brunson with Kyrie and missed the playoffs altogether that very next season. Returning to the WCF isn't a given...
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Re: Where do you Rank Scottie Pippen? 

Post#74 » by SportsGuru08 » Sat May 11, 2024 2:59 am

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Numbers don't lie, I gave you their leading scorer...


The facts show that the Blazers, with largely the same roster, were in the WCF the year before. Pippen didn't do anything special.

Again, stop acting like he inherited the '99 Clippers.


Yes they did get swept by the Spurs in that lock out shortened season and took the Lakers to a game seven the next season with Pippen starting at PG. The Mavs went to the WCF a couple seasons ago, replaced Brunson with Kyrie and missed the playoffs altogether that very next season. Returning to the WCF isn't a given...


It means Pippen had plenty to work with. The Blazers had a higher ORTG (third) in 2000 than the Lakers did (fifth). And that's despite the Lakers having two top five players. That's how stacked they were.

And you're sitting here acting like he was playing with a bunch of bums. The fact is Pippen didn't prove anything.
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Re: Where do you Rank Scottie Pippen in 2024 Season 

Post#75 » by GSP » Sat May 11, 2024 3:01 am

He has no shot a top 10 today. Top 15 even. At best a top 20 player. Theres too much talent now and the type of wing he revolutionized has been improved upon. Players like Jimmy and Pg13 may not be the defender he was but they are better allaround players and can carry an offense unlike Scottie.
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Re: Where do you Rank Scottie Pippen? 

Post#76 » by SelfishPlayer » Sat May 11, 2024 3:10 am

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The facts show that the Blazers, with largely the same roster, were in the WCF the year before. Pippen didn't do anything special.

Again, stop acting like he inherited the '99 Clippers.


Yes they did get swept by the Spurs in that lock out shortened season and took the Lakers to a game seven the next season with Pippen starting at PG. The Mavs went to the WCF a couple seasons ago, replaced Brunson with Kyrie and missed the playoffs altogether that very next season. Returning to the WCF isn't a given...


It means Pippen had plenty to work with. The Blazers had a higher ORTG (third) in 2000 than the Lakers did (fifth). And that's despite the Lakers having two top five players. That's how stacked they were.

And you're sitting here acting like he was playing with a bunch of bums. The fact is Pippen didn't prove anything.


What is Paul George doing at 34?
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Re: Where do you Rank Scottie Pippen? 

Post#77 » by SportsGuru08 » Sat May 11, 2024 3:10 am

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Yes they did get swept by the Spurs in that lock out shortened season and took the Lakers to a game seven the next season with Pippen starting at PG. The Mavs went to the WCF a couple seasons ago, replaced Brunson with Kyrie and missed the playoffs altogether that very next season. Returning to the WCF isn't a given...


It means Pippen had plenty to work with. The Blazers had a higher ORTG (third) in 2000 than the Lakers did (fifth). And that's despite the Lakers having two top five players. That's how stacked they were.

And you're sitting here acting like he was playing with a bunch of bums. The fact is Pippen didn't prove anything.


What is Paul George doing at 34?


I didn't say anything about Paul George. You're arguing with the wrong guy.
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Re: Where do you Rank Scottie Pippen? 

Post#78 » by SelfishPlayer » Sat May 11, 2024 3:17 am

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It means Pippen had plenty to work with. The Blazers had a higher ORTG (third) in 2000 than the Lakers did (fifth). And that's despite the Lakers having two top five players. That's how stacked they were.

And you're sitting here acting like he was playing with a bunch of bums. The fact is Pippen didn't prove anything.


What is Paul George doing at 34?


I didn't say anything about Paul George. You're arguing with the wrong guy.


https://eu.theledger.com/story/news/2000/06/01/pippen-is-catalyst-portland-s/8096155007/

Pippen is catalyst of Portland's survival

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Without Scottie Pippen, the Portland Trail Blazers were loaded with talent but low on leadership. With him, they're still alive in the Western Conference finals.

Pippen's importance in the Blazers' stunning 96-88 victory over the Lakers in Los Angeles on Tuesday night was as obvious as the sunglasses on Jack Nicholson's nose.

''He attacked the basket at every opportunity,'' teammate Greg Anthony said. ''When it wasn't there, we just made sure we got into a decent set offensively, and he was everywhere on defense, so his energy as our leader is going to be paramount to our success.''
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Re: Where do you Rank Scottie Pippen in 2024 Season 

Post#79 » by Ugly Duckling » Sat May 11, 2024 3:20 am

Def put him right around 40. No question. A lot of talent in the league and as great as he was, he's a little overrated
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Re: Where do you Rank Scottie Pippen in 2024 Season 

Post#80 » by moderndarwin » Sat May 11, 2024 3:20 am

It’s a loaded question because his value always has been as the best number 2 man on a team. That doesn’t change with eras.

Hes the best complementary player to most stars. But if you’re starting a team there’s probably 10 players you easily take over him.

As for me i think id take that risk and take him at 6 even though he can’t be the number 1 guy. I’ll figure out a way to get that top 5 guy and then with him next to that guy it’s sky’s the limit .

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