76ers pass Knicks for the 6th seed in the East

Scalabrine · Post #81 » by **Scalabrine** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 2:08 am

TheOUTLAW wrote:
Cammo101 wrote:Miami and NY...where superteams go to underachieve.

Yeah, Miami is underachieving and still winning 70% of their games while the Knicks are winning right around 50%.

Werent the Heat a 500 team the first 15 games into the season?

JF5 · Post #82 » by **JF5** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 3:04 am

They are underachieving.... But the fact that none of your starters play good defense. Then you're going to struggle.

Don Draper · Post #83 » by **Don Draper** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 3:25 am

Cammo101 wrote:Miami and NY...where superteams go to underachieve.

And if they weren't you would be complaining.

bruddahmanmatt · Post #84 » by **bruddahmanmatt** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:24 pm

sca wrote:
bruddahmanmatt wrote:Let's get something straight here. The Melo trade was a deal that the Knicks HAD to make. They were NEVER going to win a chip with just Amar'e surrounded by Felton, Gallo, Chandler and Fields. While the ultimate scenario for New York would have been to acquire Anthony over the summer, it would have been a huge gamble to risk losing him to another team. Knicks fans expecting results so soon were and are getting ahead of themselves. Melo was a move for the next five years, not this season. Whatever you guys manage to get out of your team this year is extra. I just hope the Knicks are able to get it together and move back in front of the Sixers. Knicks-Heat and Sixers-Celtics would be much more exciting to watch IMO.

Was there even a risk? I honestly didn't get this trade.

There was always the possibility that Melo caved and decided to either re-up with Denver or sign elsewhere with say the Nets. He wanted the money as much as he wanted New York and there was always that chance that he'd take the money over his destination of choice.

Chosen01 · Post #85 » by **Chosen01** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:34 pm

Don Draper wrote:
Cammo101 wrote:Miami and NY...where superteams go to underachieve.

And if they weren't you would be complaining.

Yep, "Its unfair" Stern this Stern that.

BrooklynZoo23 · Post #86 » by **BrooklynZoo23** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:50 pm

Of the 4 bottom teams in the east, New York will likely be the ones upsetting Orlando. Marv Albert "Amare with a facial on Turkoglu." :lol:

eslr · Post #87 » by **eslr** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 10:01 pm

I feel bad for chauncey for having to finish out his last productive years with that mess of a team.

Dr Positivity · Post #88 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 10:02 pm

They stink and getting more good players beside Melo and Amare is not happening with no capspace or trade assets. They're going to lose in the first round until Amare's health goes in two years. Then Melo will get fat on a 30 W team. Meanwhile Deron and Dwight celebrate a championship for the Brooklyn Nets while Prokerhov laugh and shoot deer in Russia

Shaheen · Post #89 » by **Shaheen** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 10:40 pm

They were better without Melo. I knew the trade was Fool's Gold. Than God, the Nets never went for it.

joelafan · Post #90 » by **joelafan** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 10:42 pm

i have doubts the knicks hold on the 7th seed..

Paeds · Post #91 » by **Paeds** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 11:14 pm

eslr wrote:I feel bad for chauncey for having to finish out his last productive years with that mess of a team.

How is a .500 playoff team a "mess" and as the PG doesnt he have something to do about that?

Miami_DieHard · Post #92 » by **Miami_DieHard** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 11:17 pm

BrooklynZoo23 wrote:Of the 4 bottom teams in the east, New York will likely be the ones upsetting Orlando. Marv Albert "Amare with a facial on Turkoglu."

Of the bottom 4 teams, the only one that will play Orlando is ATL, so..?

BossHoggin · Post #93 » by **BossHoggin** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 11:48 pm

Miami_DieHard wrote:
BrooklynZoo23 wrote:Of the 4 bottom teams in the east, New York will likely be the ones upsetting Orlando. Marv Albert "Amare with a facial on Turkoglu."

Of the bottom 4 teams, the only one that will play Orlando is ATL, so..?

NYK fans don't like logic.

Sizzlehot · Post #94 » by **Sizzlehot** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:29 am

Knicks are pretty much handing the Sixers the 6th seed. Sixers are currently 2-3 on this road trip losing to mostly bad teams (except Blazers).

eslr · Post #95 » by **eslr** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:43 am

Paeds wrote:
eslr wrote:I feel bad for chauncey for having to finish out his last productive years with that mess of a team.

How is a .500 playoff team a "mess" and as the PG doesnt he have something to do about that?

Lets see:

They have dropped 5 of 6
They are below .500 since the trade, including multiple losses to some of the worst teams in the NBA
Their defense is awful
Their record would put them in 12th out west
They wont have any salary cap flexibility while Chauncey is there
They have no trade assets to get better

Post #96 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 1:42 am

ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:
rayray2 wrote:because he wasnt going to sign with us in the offseason. he wanted his money.

I was under the impression that Melo said he was going to sign with the Knicks.

He clearly wanted to go to the Knicks, but I think he wanted his max contract more. That was one of the reasons that he was pushing for a trade. I really believe he would have signed a max contract for whatever team he was traded to.

DaRealHibachi · Post #97 » by **DaRealHibachi** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 1:50 am

j-ragg wrote:I love how everyone just blames the coach these days. Maybe it's your players not playing well? D'Antoni didn't shoot 2-12 last night Melo did. He didn't have 8 turnovers last night, Billups did.

Alex Trevelyan · Post #98 » by **Alex Trevelyan** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 1:54 am

The Knicks aren't "underachieving", their record is who they are. A borderline playoff team. Comparing their struggles to the Heat's earlier in the season is positively ludicrous. Even when the Heat were in absolute disarray they were losing squeakers against playoff teams often after having huge leads. Miami plays defense, they're a defensive team first, as are the Bulls and Celtics. Offense for those teams flows from the defensive effort. The Knicks have no competency as a defensive team, none, and their two best players are defensive liabilities and this isn't going to change, ever. You can fire D'Antoni and install a Thibodeax and it's not going to matter.

Melo and Amar'e have been playing a certain way their entire careers, it's not realistic to expect them to change at this point in their development. They are who they are. It's not a question of doubting a team based on a limited sample size. The Knicks haven't played many games together, if you're going to damn the Knicks, it's going to be on the basis of the fundamental flaws in the games of their two best players. In my opinion, Carmelo is nothing more than Gilbert Arenas minus the off-court garbage. In fact, if you look at their advanced stats, Melo is an inferior player to Arenas pre-injury. He's a high volume scorer, period. Can't play defense and doesn't pass the ball. You can question D'Antoni's competence, and there is plenty to support his dismissal, but at the end of the day, George Karl, who is one of the better coaches in the NBA, couldn't win with Melo either. He couldn't get Melo to play defense. He couldn't get Melo to spread it around. Why should anyone think those inherent flaws will correct themselves in NY? Hope springs eternal is not a viable strategy.

kamaze · Post #99 » by **kamaze** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:18 am

The team looked good when Antoni had players that fit his system. Chandler, Gallinari and Felton moved the ball and shot quick Melo holds the ball too much and Billups is too slow for that system.

Melo complaining about the coach too, the coach is in a tough situation.

SolidSnake008 · Post #100 » by **SolidSnake008** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:20 am

Alex Trevelyan wrote:The Knicks aren't "underachieving", their record is who they are. A borderline playoff team. Comparing their struggles to the Heat's earlier in the season is positively ludicrous. Even when the Heat were in absolute disarray they were losing squeakers against playoff teams often after having huge leads. Miami plays defense, they're a defensive team first, as are the Bulls and Celtics. Offense for those teams flows from the defensive effort. The Knicks have no competency as a defensive team, none, and their two best players are defensive liabilities and this isn't going to change, ever. You can fire D'Antoni and install a Thibodeax and it's not going to matter.

Melo and Amar'e have been playing a certain way their entire careers, it's not realistic to expect them to change at this point in their development. They are who they are. It's not a question of doubting a team based on a limited sample size. The Knicks haven't played many games together, if you're going to damn the Knicks, it's going to be on the basis of the fundamental flaws in the games of their two best players. In my opinion, Carmelo is nothing more than Gilbert Arenas minus the off-court garbage. In fact, if you look at their advanced stats, Melo is an inferior player to Arenas pre-injury. He's a high volume scorer, period. Can't play defense and doesn't pass the ball. You can question D'Antoni's competence, and there is plenty to support his dismissal, but at the end of the day, George Karl, who is one of the better coaches in the NBA, couldn't win with Melo either. He couldn't get Melo to play defense. He couldn't get Melo to spread it around. Why should anyone think those inherent flaws will correct themselves in NY? Hope springs eternal is not a viable strategy.

well said