OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning?

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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#91 » by Rebuilding Year » Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:56 am

SaveOurBullets wrote:You don't have to rig it for the hometown team. You still want to mix it up and get the big market teams their stars - especially since OKC wasn't viewed so highly at the time. Again, I don't believe they rig it, but if they did, they would make sure the big market teams got theirs. And keep in mind that they'd want to throw off suspicions, too, so giving it to the local team every single year wouldn't be such a wise approach to keep people's noses away.


Kevin Durant was drafted by the Seattle Supersonics.

I know you're not talking about the Hornets, because they picked #13 in 2007.

So what the hell does it matter how OKC was viewed?
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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#93 » by 83SixersRocked » Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:13 am

Did mainstream media ignore Barkley's draft warning?

Trash headline on the original article, on the other thread, and on this thread. Charles didn't "warn" anybody about anything. Are you that easily led? Why should one more s**t headline warrant national headlines?
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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#94 » by theokie » Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:55 am

SaveOurBullets wrote:You don't have to rig it for the hometown team. You still want to mix it up and get the big market teams their stars - especially since OKC wasn't viewed so highly at the time. Again, I don't believe they rig it, but if they did, they would make sure the big market teams got theirs. And keep in mind that they'd want to throw off suspicions, too, so giving it to the local team every single year wouldn't be such a wise approach to keep people's noses away.



Ive been waiting for someone to make this counter argument. :lol:
This whole thread is just a laughable, seriously conspiracy theorists.... get some perspective on how things really work.
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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#95 » by SaveOurBullets » Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:10 am

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SaveOurBullets wrote:You don't have to rig it for the hometown team. You still want to mix it up and get the big market teams their stars - especially since OKC wasn't viewed so highly at the time. Again, I don't believe they rig it, but if they did, they would make sure the big market teams got theirs. And keep in mind that they'd want to throw off suspicions, too, so giving it to the local team every single year wouldn't be such a wise approach to keep people's noses away.



Ive been waiting for someone to make this counter argument. :lol:
This whole thread is just a laughable, seriously conspiracy theorists.... get some perspective on how things really work.


You don't think they would cover their bases? Fixing the lottery with one single approach every single year is going to get you caught. If you want to influence things and not get caught, you have to mix it up. Again, I don't believe they're actually doing that, but if there was a conspiracy, wouldn't not doing the bolded be incredibly stupid?
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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#96 » by UN-Owen » Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:10 am

83SixersRocked wrote:
Did mainstream media ignore Barkley's draft warning?

Trash headline on the original article, on the other thread, and on this thread. Charles didn't "warn" anybody about anything. Are you that easily led? Why should one more s**t headline warrant national headlines?


Originally I had "Did The Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Concerns?"

But after a Google search...lots of those headlines read "Barkley Warns NBA Could Rig Draft..."

So I went with 'Warning'


Please don't lose sleep over it...
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OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#97 » by Litany » Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:23 am

UN-Owen wrote:
GREY 1769 wrote:
UN-Owen wrote:[quote="GREY 1769"]What?! You mean Tim Donaghy? The ref who was investigated by the FBI, subsequently disgraced and kicked out of the league? How exactly was the NBA implicated in that? Pleas stop with the misinformation. And bad logic.


No, I mean this...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM20eYjvwUM[/youtube]


Yep. Brutal officiating. I think it was Donaghy who said that game was fixed. There was a shortened news clip of it in the video you provided. The worst was the ref who had the best view of the Kobe elbow. I remember that game, too. Stands out in a really bad way. Was it fixed? Perhaps. But it doesn't mean or prove that the NBA was responsible for that. FBI looked into fixing of games, so in other words there was independent verification and I'm all for it. And this is coming from someone who is openly critical of inconsistencies in reffing.


Is this the same FBI that investigated 9/11 and the Kennedy assassination?[/quote]

I seriously feel sorry for you bud.
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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#98 » by UN-Owen » Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:57 am

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Forty years later, suspicions of a conspiracy endure: Seven in 10 Americans think the assassination of John F. Kennedy was the result of a plot, not the act of a lone killer – and
a bare majority thinks that plot included a second shooter on Dealey Plaza.
Just 32 percent accept the Warren Commission’s 1964 finding that Lee Harvey Oswald
alone shot Kennedy as his motorcade passed through downtown Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963.
Fifty-one percent think there was a second gunman, and seven percent go so far as to
think Oswald wasn’t involved at all.
More broadly, in addition to the 70 percent of Americans who think there was some sort
of plot behind the killings, 68 percent think there was “an official cover-up” to hide the truth about the assassination from the public, and about as many, 65 percent, think that “important unanswered questions” remain, four decades after Kennedy’s death.


On the 40th anniversary of JFK’s assassination, a recent FOX News poll shows most Americans disagree with the government’s conclusions about the killing. The Warren Commission found that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone when he shot Kennedy, but 66 percent of the public today think the assassination was “part of a larger conspiracy” while only 25 percent think it was the “act of one individual.” These new poll results are similar to previous surveys conducted by Louis Harris and Associates in 1967, 1975 and 1981, when about two-thirds also felt the shooting was part of a larger conspiracy.
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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#99 » by Don Draper » Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:59 am

^ That just tells me most Americans are idiots.
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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#100 » by og15 » Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:03 am

SaveOurBullets wrote:
theokie wrote:
SaveOurBullets wrote:You don't have to rig it for the hometown team. You still want to mix it up and get the big market teams their stars - especially since OKC wasn't viewed so highly at the time. Again, I don't believe they rig it, but if they did, they would make sure the big market teams got theirs. And keep in mind that they'd want to throw off suspicions, too, so giving it to the local team every single year wouldn't be such a wise approach to keep people's noses away.



Ive been waiting for someone to make this counter argument. :lol:
This whole thread is just a laughable, seriously conspiracy theorists.... get some perspective on how things really work.


You don't think they would cover their bases? Fixing the lottery with one single approach every single year is going to get you caught. If you want to influence things and not get caught, you have to mix it up. Again, I don't believe they're actually doing that, but if there was a conspiracy, wouldn't not doing the bolded be incredibly stupid?
The problem with this argument is that it gives the conspiracy theorist no way of being wrong.

If the team that is "supposed" to get it gets it, conspiracy theorist says "hey, look, they rigged it".

If things don't work out in any predictable manner, conspiracy theorists says "they are just trying to keep people off their track and covering all their bases".

It's basically saying that life variability = anything that is coincidental is rigged, and anything that has no pattern is rigged in order to keep people that are trying to bust them off their trail. It's so stupid, but it almost sounds smart.
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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#101 » by UN-Owen » Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:03 am

Don Draper wrote:^ That just tells me most Americans are idiots.


If the man in the suit reading from a teleprompter on the 11 o'clock news says something...it must be true
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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#102 » by Stunnaboy2K11 » Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:34 am

Don Draper wrote:^ That just tells me most Americans are idiots.


Amen.


I think people don't realize how hard it would be to cover up something as complicated as a rigged NBA draft lottery in this day and age.
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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#103 » by SaveOurBullets » Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:41 am

og15 wrote:The problem with this argument is that it gives the conspiracy theorist no way of being wrong.

If the team that is "supposed" to get it gets it, conspiracy theorist says "hey, look, they rigged it".

If things don't work out in any predictable manner, conspiracy theorists says "they are just trying to keep people off their track and covering all their bases".

It's basically saying that life variability = anything that is coincidental is rigged, and anything that has no pattern is rigged in order to keep people that are trying to bust them off their trail. It's so stupid, but it almost sounds smart.


It only gives them no way of being wrong in their own minds. If there's no conspiracy, then they are in fact wrong.

I'm just saying that where there are conspiracies, they are set up more in the way that conspiracy theorists imagine than nonbelievers, if you catch my drift.
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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#104 » by seanbig » Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:49 am

oh enough of this crap.

Why don't we scrap the lottery and go back to worst team gets A. Davis,

so there will be even more incentive to tank :)
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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#105 » by DreDay » Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:58 am

I don't think its rigged, but they rigged the dunk contest so who knows.
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Re: OT: Did Mainstream Media Ignore Barkley's Draft Warning? 

Post#106 » by sfballa13 » Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:42 am

What mainstream media should take note of is how chummy Stern is with the new Hornets owners

I have read two to three quotes where the new owner claims to be "really close" with Stern

Also did anyone else notice how the Hornets sold for about 40-50 M MORE than what all the pundits and analysts agreed was the value of the team?

Also the guy is talking about how he wants to take the Jazz' name from Utah as if he runs the NBA or something.

Most analysts agreed that to sell the team above 300 M would be a huge miracle.

I think the NBA got 340M or something like that.

New owner who pays way over face value for a team the NBA is DESPERATELY trying to sell, claims to be buddies with the comish...whether you guys like it or not the Hornets are getting #1 or #2 possibly #1 and #3.

Thats the first scenario.

Another team to watch is New Jersey. They were due (horrible record) to win the lottery back when Wall was available. Yet hmmm Wall goes to Washington, where a new owner has just paid BIG bucks for the franchise. Many thought Wall was a lock to come to NJ that year. Now with a chance for a redo, no way Stern lets his other NY team fail before they even move into their arena. Portland gets the pick and their franchise is doomed. But if they get the #1/#2 pick, Deron stays, and there is still a possibility Dwight comes over after next year. Dwight / Deron / Unibrow / Marshon / Lopez. There is NO WAY NJ's pick goes to Portland.

New Jersey and New Orleans fans should sleep easy tonight knowing that Stern has their back come draft time.

If refs can rig finals games and have a direct impact on key playoff series how is it impossible to think that the NBA wont rig the draft?

The NBA is a business. Sure it is hard to prove the draft is rigged but just bc no evidence has surfaced doesnt mean its not true.

If 10 years ago anyone posted about the refs and rigging games they would have been laughed at. Now when a ref comes out and says it was being done all the time, now after that revelation we should become MORE skeptical that a draft cant be rigged. if anything the past 5 years have shown that the NBA from the outcomes of games to the outcome of contests at All Star Weekend are often no less pre-determined than a match in the WWE. Vince McMahon and David Stern have alot more common than you think.

Its no wonder that when it comes to spreads NBA games ALWAYS match the spread to a POINT. It doesnt matter what is going on in the game. It could be a blow out in the 2nd or 3rd quarter. Turn on Sportscenter after the game and somehow the spread is magically EXACTLY what it was predicted to be before the game. Out of all the professional sports unfortunately the NBA is the place where cheating is most rampant from the garbage refs to the players who know when drug tests are and know how to curtail their smoking and roid habits to avoid being caught.

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