Will too much muscle mess up your skills?

[KV20]

Am i wrong about that?
In this sport throughout the years we have seen that the players that don't lift weight were the best skilled in basketball.
Does it mean that a player like Dwight Howard will never be a great skilled player even on working harder than anybody?

As far as i can remember, David Robinson and Karl Malone were the only freak of nature that were very skilled as players. But those hall of famers were not as skilled than players like Zach Randolph or Pau Gasol.
This is why i think LeBron james will never be as skilled than Carmelo Anthony. This is why i think Dwight Howard will never be as skilled than All Jefferson. This is why Blake Griffin will never be as skilled than Demarcus Cousin even if he works out much more than him his basketball moves and his jump shot.

Do you think that players like Howard or Griffin lifted too much weights to be one day known as skilled players? Same question for LeBron James.

We will never see a player with the level of skill of Larry Bird and the muscles and athletic abilities of LeBron James.
Is it morphologicaly possible?
If, it isn't, the athletic trainners of Blake Griffin and Dwight Howard should be ashamed.

[bullsnewdynasty]

Why do you need to be "skilled" if you have the ability to dominate and overpower people with your athletic ability?

[RojanRando]

Carmelo is more skilled than Lebron? Do u mean like offensive moves or whatever?

[KV20]

Why do you need to be "skilled" if you have the ability to dominate and overpower people with your athletic ability?

You need to be skilled, because of the work ethic they have they could dominate more with skills if they didn't went to far by lifting too much weight.

[Rasheed36]

This topic is terrible. Ben Wallace was huge and it didn't stop him from being dominant defensively. Doesn't matter if Dwight lost 50 pounds or gained 50 pounds he's never gonna be skilled as some other big men. All the training/practicing in the world isn't gonna make Dwight the most "skilled" player in the world and muscle has nothing to do with it.

[starvinmarvin17]

yeah it will thats why goku didnt want to fight in the ascended ssj form, instead he mastered his regular weight on ssj1 so he could have power and speed. duh

[Iplaytolose]

This topic is terrible. Ben Wallace was huge and it didn't stop him from being dominant defensively. Doesn't matter if Dwight lost 50 pounds or gained 50 pounds he's never gonna be skilled as some other big men. All the training/practicing in the world isn't gonna make Dwight the most "skilled" player in the world and muscle has nothing to do with it.

I think he means offensively skilled or ball skills.

[RojanRando]

yeah it will thats why goku didnt want to fight in the ascended ssj form, instead he mastered his regular weight on ssj1 so he could have power and speed. duh

No he didn't want to fight in ascended ssj form because it was too weak to beat Perfect Cell with. Thats why he went past ascended and ultra ssj and became a full power ssj. The form balances power and speed not his own training. GOD

[GaNGsTaRr93]

yeah it will thats why goku didnt want to fight in the ascended ssj form, instead he mastered his regular weight on ssj1 so he could have power and speed. duh

No he didn't want to fight in ascended ssj form because it was too weak to beat Perfect Cell with. Thats why he went past ascended and ultra ssj and became a full power ssj. The form balances power and speed not his own training. GOD

[Shamizy]

I don't think physical ability and basketball skill are mutually exclusive, but I do believe that players blessed with amazing physical skills don't put as much time into developing actual basketball skills because they don't need to. They can outright dominate games based on sheer physical ability alone and don't have the sudden urge to really improve in multiple facets of the game. That explains why it took a guy like Dwight Howard so long to develop an actual low post game, and why LeBron's basketball fundamentals are still shoddy at best.

I think the last guy to really maximize both his physical gifts and dominate with his skills was Michael Jordan.

[Volcano]

Replace skills with shooting. Maybe that's what he means.

[PippenAintEasy]

yeah it will thats why goku didnt want to fight in the ascended ssj form, instead he mastered his regular weight on ssj1 so he could have power and speed. duh

No he didn't want to fight in ascended ssj form because it was too weak to beat Perfect Cell with. Thats why he went past ascended and ultra ssj and became a full power ssj. The form balances power and speed not his own training. GOD

What the **** are you two talking about.

[mattg]

Am i wrong about that?
In this sport throughout the years we have seen that the players that don't lift weight were the best skilled in basketball.
Does it mean that a player like Dwight Howard will never be a great skilled player even on working harder than anybody?

As far as i can remember, David Robinson and Karl Malone were the only freak of nature that were very skilled as players. But those hall of famers were not as skilled than players like Zach Randolph or Pau Gasol.
This is why i think LeBron james will never be as skilled than Carmelo Anthony. This is why i think Dwight Howard will never be as skilled than All Jefferson. This is why Blake Griffin will never be as skilled than Demarcus Cousin even if he works out much more than him his basketball moves and his jump shot.

Do you think that players like Howard or Griffin lifted too much weights to be one day known as skilled players? Same question for LeBron James.

We will never see a player with the level of skill of Larry Bird and the muscles and athletic abilities of LeBron James.
Is it morphologicaly possible?
If, it isn't, the athletic trainners of Blake Griffin and Dwight Howard should be ashamed.

The only thing that lifting weights messes up is shooting. Plenty of players lift too much and in turn can't put as much touch on the ball. The stronger you are the harder it is to shoot and feel the ball. It's no coincidence that the best shooters are never super jacked muscularly. Michigan State under Tom Izzo is notorious for this for example, as just about every player that goes to state with the ability to shoot leaves as a worse shooter then when they arrived because they spend so much time in the weight room.

I don't like your examples though. LeBron can't shoot extremely well, but in terms of passing and dribbling he is absurdly skilled. Blake Griffin is so good because he is ridiculously skilled. He handles the ball better than any other big man in the NBA and better than a lot of SFs in addition to being a good passer. He also has phenomenal footwork and an array of ball fakes. Also, despite his build, he does seem to get pretty good touch on the ball and improved his shooting stroke a ton as the year went on.

[RojanRando]

yeah it will thats why goku didnt want to fight in the ascended ssj form, instead he mastered his regular weight on ssj1 so he could have power and speed. duh

No he didn't want to fight in ascended ssj form because it was too weak to beat Perfect Cell with. Thats why he went past ascended and ultra ssj and became a full power ssj. The form balances power and speed not his own training. GOD

What the **** are you two talking about.

Dragonball Z in a basketball forum

[wilhelmthe1st]

yeah it will thats why goku didnt want to fight in the ascended ssj form, instead he mastered his regular weight on ssj1 so he could have power and speed. duh

No he didn't want to fight in ascended ssj form because it was too weak to beat Perfect Cell with. Thats why he went past ascended and ultra ssj and became a full power ssj. The form balances power and speed not his own training. GOD

Umm, no. Full power SSJ is what Goku and Gohan first achieved in the HBTC. Before that, being in SSJ drained so much energy from them that they couldn't sustain it for long periods of time, especially when weakened (like when Goku had his heart disease, he couldn't hold SSJ against Android 19.) so Goku developed it so they could train (and get greater results) in SSJ without having such a huge drain on the body and it's ki. USSJ (what Trunks tried to fight Cell in) is a more powerful than full-power SSJ, but due to the added bulk, Trunks suffers a big hit to his speed, so even though he was technically stronger than Cell, he wasn't able to land a hit on the faster opponent. Both Vegeta and Goku immediately recognized this fault in the form when they achieved it, which is why Vegeta didn't even bother going into it during his fight with Cell earlier.

C'mon son.

[RojanRando]

yeah it will thats why goku didnt want to fight in the ascended ssj form, instead he mastered his regular weight on ssj1 so he could have power and speed. duh

No he didn't want to fight in ascended ssj form because it was too weak to beat Perfect Cell with. Thats why he went past ascended and ultra ssj and became a full power ssj. The form balances power and speed not his own training. GOD

Umm, no. Full power SSJ is what Goku and Gohan first achieved in the HBTC. Before that, being in SSJ drained so much energy from them that they couldn't sustain it for long periods of time, especially when weakened (like when Goku had his heart disease, he couldn't hold SSJ against Android 19.) so Goku developed it so they could train (and get greater results) in SSJ without having such a huge drain on the body and it's ki. USSJ (what Trunks tried to fight Cell in) is a more powerful than full-power SSJ, but due to the added bulk, Trunks suffers a big hit to his speed, so even though he was technically stronger than Cell, he wasn't able to land a hit on the faster opponent. Both Vegeta and Goku immediately recognized this fault in the form when they achieved it, which is why Vegeta didn't even bother going into it during his fight with Cell earlier.

C'mon son.

No no SSJ 1 has technically 4 forms. The regular SSJ is what Goku fought Frieza with. Ascended SSJ is what Vegeta beat up Semi-Perfect Cell with and then lost to perfect cell with. You are correct about Ultra, its the huge muscle form that Future Trunks uses to try to beat Cell. Full power is the last form of SSJ 1 that Goku and Gohan achieve before fighting Perfect Cell. This is the final form of SSJ 1 and perfectly balances energy, power, and speed. Then after that Gohan goes SSJ 2 and yadda yadda

[wilhelmthe1st]

No he didn't want to fight in ascended ssj form because it was too weak to beat Perfect Cell with. Thats why he went past ascended and ultra ssj and became a full power ssj. The form balances power and speed not his own training. GOD

Umm, no. Full power SSJ is what Goku and Gohan first achieved in the HBTC. Before that, being in SSJ drained so much energy from them that they couldn't sustain it for long periods of time, especially when weakened (like when Goku had his heart disease, he couldn't hold SSJ against Android 19.) so Goku developed it so they could train (and get greater results) in SSJ without having such a huge drain on the body and it's ki. USSJ (what Trunks tried to fight Cell in) is a more powerful than full-power SSJ, but due to the added bulk, Trunks suffers a big hit to his speed, so even though he was technically stronger than Cell, he wasn't able to land a hit on the faster opponent. Both Vegeta and Goku immediately recognized this fault in the form when they achieved it, which is why Vegeta didn't even bother going into it during his fight with Cell earlier.

C'mon son.

No no SSJ 1 has technically 4 forms. The regular SSJ is what Goku fought Frieza with. Ascended SSJ is what Vegeta beat up Semi-Perfect Cell with and then lost to perfect cell with. You are correct about Ultra, its the huge muscle form that Future Trunks uses to try to beat Cell. Full power is the last form of SSJ 1 that Goku and Gohan achieve before fighting Perfect Cell. This is the final form of SSJ 1 and perfectly balances energy, power, and speed. Then after that Gohan goes SSJ 2 and yadda yadda

Yes, I know. USSJ is still a more POWERFUL form than full-power SSJ, but the speed hit makes it useless. Which relates to the topic, in that adding bulk/too much muscle can mess up your skills, but more so makes you slower so any skills you have won't be quite as effective.

[mid-post]

No he didn't want to fight in ascended ssj form because it was too weak to beat Perfect Cell with. Thats why he went past ascended and ultra ssj and became a full power ssj. The form balances power and speed not his own training. GOD

Umm, no. Full power SSJ is what Goku and Gohan first achieved in the HBTC. Before that, being in SSJ drained so much energy from them that they couldn't sustain it for long periods of time, especially when weakened (like when Goku had his heart disease, he couldn't hold SSJ against Android 19.) so Goku developed it so they could train (and get greater results) in SSJ without having such a huge drain on the body and it's ki. USSJ (what Trunks tried to fight Cell in) is a more powerful than full-power SSJ, but due to the added bulk, Trunks suffers a big hit to his speed, so even though he was technically stronger than Cell, he wasn't able to land a hit on the faster opponent. Both Vegeta and Goku immediately recognized this fault in the form when they achieved it, which is why Vegeta didn't even bother going into it during his fight with Cell earlier.

C'mon son.

No no SSJ 1 has technically 4 forms. The regular SSJ is what Goku fought Frieza with. Ascended SSJ is what Vegeta beat up Semi-Perfect Cell with and then lost to perfect cell with. You are correct about Ultra, its the huge muscle form that Future Trunks uses to try to beat Cell. Full power is the last form of SSJ 1 that Goku and Gohan achieve before fighting Perfect Cell. This is the final form of SSJ 1 and perfectly balances energy, power, and speed. Then after that Gohan goes SSJ 2 and yadda yadda

[ikkoikki]

POWER LEVEL 3000?!

lol

[Sinant]

It seems to mess with Durant's shot. He bulks up during the summer (as much as Kevin Durant can "bulk up") and usually starts the year off slow until he loses some of it and regains his shot.

At least, that's one of the theories.