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Post#1 Can 2 big men lineups succeed in today's NBA?
Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:37 pm by ClayDavis

The Lakers won titles with pau as a center but once Bynum joined him Dallas killed them.
Memphis has struggled this year as teams just pack the paint against them.
The celtics only began to play well last year after kg moved to center
The finals teams had absolutely no inside presence. Neither did the spurs or the celtics.
The clippers routinely bench Jordan in the 4th last year and this year
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The last team to win with 2 true post presence was the spurs a decade ago
Is the league so fast and zone heavy having 2 big men is a curse but only 1 a blessing? Has no hand checking and pick and roll play elimated or negated a second post presence?
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Post#2 Re: Can 2 big men lineups succeed in today's
Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:33 pm by bledredwine

The rules have obviously F'd up post-game quite a bit and have made perimeter players more important for scoring.

But I think that having great down-low presence vital.... rebounds and defense. I just don't think they get enough credit most of the time. The Lakers struggles weren't the fault of Pau/Bynum's offense or boards as much as their defense.

I think that dual big men can still be effective, just not nearly as effective as it used to be.... and having skilled perimeter players has much more importance offensively speaking.
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Post#3 Re: Can 2 big men lineups succeed in today's
Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:39 pm by cdubbz

I think only really talented big men can make it successful because they can punish smaller teams in the post. Big men who aren't great offensively like Kendrick Perkins aren't going to be useful because they won't be able to guard the new type of big man who can step out and shoot and drive.

Fact is we have less talented post players then we did in the 90s and early 2000s so it's difficult to have non offensive big men in the game guarding 7foot wing players.
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Post#4 Re: Can 2 big men lineups succeed in today's
Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:45 pm by DuckIII

Of course it can work. If the NBA has taught us one thing, there is no special formula. It is about talent and execution. Not the positions where that talent plays.

For example, not only can a two big lineup go all the way, but I personally believe it is the key to create the needed mismatch against the current title favorite.
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Post#5 Re: Can 2 big men lineups succeed in today's
Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:47 pm by HappyBrownie

the Pistons hope so.
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Post#6 Re: Can 2 big men lineups succeed in today's
Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:56 pm by koogiking

Yes, of course they can. If anything you should be asking this about small ball lineups. The Miami Heat is the first team in decades to win a championship with a small ball lineup. Even the Dallas Mavericks from 2011 have to 7 foot 1 bigs.
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Post#7 Re: Can 2 big men lineups succeed in today's
Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:14 pm by Choker

Weird that you mention the Lakers when they won 2 championships because of it.
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Post#8 Re: Can 2 big men lineups succeed in today's
Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:43 pm by StocktonShorts

Choker wrote:Weird that you mention the Lakers when they won 2 championships because of it.


Yeah, it is weird. OP has some splaining to do.

The Deron Williams/Carlos Boozer Jazz were eliminated from the 2009 and 2010 by the Lakers largely because the trio of Gasol/Odom/Bynum was too big for the Jazz's undersized frontcourt.
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Post#9 Re: Can 2 big men lineups succeed in today's
Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:05 pm by Spurtatcus

Tim Duncan/Tiago Splitter will put this question to rest at the end of the season :)
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Post#10 Re: Can 2 big men lineups succeed in today's
Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:20 pm by mcfly1204

Memphis could/should be the next to do it.
Well at least we're not Detroit!
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Post#11 Re: Can 2 big men lineups succeed in today's
Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:24 pm by JustAwesome

Sports opinions are fickle. All it takes is for one team to win a championship with two traditional big men in the lineup, and this question goes out the door.
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Post#12 Re: Can 2 big men lineups succeed in today's
Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:17 pm by Cklbmk

Spurtatcus wrote:Tim Duncan/Tiago Splitter will put this question to rest at the end of the season :)
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Post#13 Re: Can 2 big men lineups succeed in today's
Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:22 pm by Han Solo

Andre Drummond & Greg Monroe have barely seen the floor together this year. Guess, we'll see before the season ends at some point (more than likely)..
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Post#14 Re: Can 2 big men lineups succeed in today's
Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:46 pm by kodo

In the last 10 years, 7 out of the 10 championship teams have used a PF 6'11" or bigger in conjunction with a traditional center.

'11: Dallas (Dirk, Chandler)
'10: LA (Gasol, Bynum)
'09: LA (Gasol, Bynum)
'08: Boston (KG, Perkins)
'07: Spurs (Duncan, Oberto)
05: Spurs (Duncan, Nazr)
03: Spurs (Duncan, Admiral)

And the 06 Heat and 04 Pistons weren't exactly smallball either, with Haslem-Shaq-Zo and Rasheed-Big Ben.

Maybe the question you really want to ask is if 2 big men can succeed in the future NBA, but for this era having two bigs has been a successful formula.
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Post#15 Re: Can 2 big men lineups succeed in today's
Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:50 pm by RutgersBJJ

Memphis? SA? LAC? Utah? Denver to a lesser extent when McGee comes in off bench?

Lakers up until last season? Dallas with Dirk and Tyson?

For that 2 game stretch when Camby was healthy the Melo-Tyson-Camby front-court was pretty effective too.
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Post#16 Re: Can 2 big men lineups succeed in today's
Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:56 pm by Bertrob

You know what succeeds in the NBA? Lineups with talented big men
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Post#17 Re: Can 2 big men lineups succeed in today's
Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:30 pm by TwentyOne920

The Clippers have two traditional big men in Griffin and Jordan, and they're 31-8...
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Post#18 Re: Can 2 big men lineups succeed in today's
Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:47 pm by Lakerfan17

The Lakers won titles with pau as a center but once Bynum joined him Dallas killed them.


What the hell are you talking about? We won titles with both of them starting.... :o
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Post#19 Re: Can 2 big men lineups succeed in today's
Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:47 am by Marvin Martian

All of those championship lineups mentioned in that post had a HOF in the frontcourt. All of the lineups mentioned in the OP are either washed up, old, or untalented
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Post#20 Re: Can 2 big men lineups succeed in today's
Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:57 am by DetroitPistons

The most frustrating thing is when big teams go small to match up with small ball teams when they should be destroying them in the paint.
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