talent disparity between eastern and western conference

karkinos · Post #1 » by **karkinos** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:49 pm

only 4 teams in the east have a winning record against the west (top 2, then indiana and atlanta somehow in the middle)
seeds 1-8 in the west have a winning record against teams in the east
houston is at the 8th seed with a 9-17 record against the western conference

do you think conference disparity makes it easier for a team in the east over an 82 game season and playoffs to win a championship?

also, why does the eastern conference suck so much balls anyways?

NYK_89 · Post #2 » by **NYK_89** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:10 am

cancer wrote:only 4 teams in the east have a winning record against the west (top 2, then indiana and atlanta somehow in the middle)
seeds 1-8 in the west have a winning record against teams in the east
houston is at the 8th seed with a 9-17 record against the western conference

do you think conference disparity makes it easier for a team in the east over an 82 game season and playoffs to win a championship?

also, why does the eastern conference suck so much balls anyways?

Eh in the long run it probably helps a little but certainly not enough to taint a championship or anything.. IMO the real difference is the depth of the conference
Heat and Thunder are clearly better then any teams in their conference by a pretty big margin
Spurs(slightly better then the rest of this group could have their own tier but thats not going to happen), Bulls, Knicks, Clippers who all have an outside at best chance of winning the championship(don't think anyone would be suprised to see any of them in the CF but for them to win against thunder and Heat would be pretty surprising)
And then Indiana, GS, Memphis, Brooklyn, Denver (who have very good teams but at least myself would be literally shocked to see them win a championship or even the conference finals)

For those tiers the conferences are relatively split (5 east 6 West) however after that the west has a bunch of teams (5-6 that compare to something like 1 or 2 east teams and then the west really only has a couple teams that are absolutely terrible while the east non-playoff picture is almost exclusively those teams.

Lets face it the gap has closed quite a bit, however there needs to be a little bit of time for teams like the Cavs to get better and rise up from the total crap department, as well as injuries to Rondo Bynum etc seem to have devastated a few east teams this year

TwentyOne920 · Post #3 » by **TwentyOne920** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:11 am

The East is injury riddled and have their fair share of treadmill teams.

Frank Mulely · Post #4 » by **Frank Mulely** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:18 am

Ownership. East coast businesspeople are stupider and more crony driven than West coast.

Basically, our (west coast) people are smarter therefore our rich people are smarter

mr.ankle · Post #5 » by **mr.ankle** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:22 am

I still the think the Bulls are better than Thunder if Derrick Rose is healthy .

Frank Mulely · Post #6 » by **Frank Mulely** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:30 am

mr.ankle wrote:I still the think the Bulls are better than Thunder if Derrick Rose is healthy .

That's silly. Bulls are like OKC minus KD. I can't see the current Bulls roster EVER beating OKC in a 7 game series.

TwentyOne920 · Post #7 » by **TwentyOne920** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:31 am

Frank Mulely wrote:
mr.ankle wrote:I still the think the Bulls are better than Thunder if Derrick Rose is healthy .

That's silly. Bulls are like OKC minus KD. I can't see the current Bulls roster EVER beating OKC in a 7 game series.

They have the advantage inside but would get beaten by all the whistles

Frank Mulely · Post #8 » by **Frank Mulely** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:34 am

I hate to derail but Bulls roster has been incapable of winning a chip ever since they decided Boozer was the guy they'd make their #2 to Rose. I just don't see it. Bulls need to evolve like the Isiah Pistons did and add more pieces. You just can't win a ring on the back of a shoot-first point playing with subpar surrounding pieces. I don't care how good the guy is, other contenders will just trap him and make him pass. If his teammates can't make a shot, game over. We saw this with the AI Sixers and every single other team based on a high scoring point guard.

karkinos · Post #9 » by **karkinos** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:08 am

nah
i think with thib's defense, if his team ever wins a ring it's gonna be kinda like the pistons. hard to do but still doable even with boozer as the #2. as long as the rest of the team buys in to the system they can pull it off.

leolozon · Post #10 » by **leolozon** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:11 am

I really think this system is unfair and I wouldn't mind if the 16 best teams in the league made the playoff and were seeded regardless of conferences.

It wouldn't lose much in the excitement department, and it would allow for the two best teams to meet in the Finals. It happened a couple of times that the Finals were underwhelming because the big clash happened in the conference finals.

This system is unfair to a team that could miss the playoffs because they are in the wrong conference. And it is also unfair to the team that will come out of the western conference after going through more intense series (potentially).

Not sure what would be bad about having the actual 16 best teams. The divisions only exist because of traveling. They shouldn't give an advantage in the playoffs.

Hey Blazers fans, you know one of the reason your team will probably not make the playoffs? Geography. Because we all want geography to be the reason why a better team is excluded.

Post #11 » by **coldfish** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:15 am

Frank Mulely wrote:I hate to derail but Bulls roster has been incapable of winning a chip ever since they decided Boozer was the guy they'd make their #2 to Rose. I just don't see it. Bulls need to evolve like the Isiah Pistons did and add more pieces. You just can't win a ring on the back of a shoot-first point playing with subpar surrounding pieces. I don't care how good the guy is, other contenders will just trap him and make him pass. If his teammates can't make a shot, game over. We saw this with the AI Sixers and every single other team based on a high scoring point guard.

Just want to note that in the one season the Bulls were healthy, they lost to Miami . . . just like OKC just did. Based on your analysis, I assume you think OKC never will win a chip, right?

Second comment: The Bulls are on a 50 win pace without Rose. If you go around the NBA and take the best player off each team, how many of them win 50 games. Obviously the pieces around Rose are not subpar.

........

Anyways, the East has multiple teams that are horrifically run. Toronto, Washington, Milwaukee, Charlotte. That's a whole lot of teams that are going to be mediocre at best every season. If everyone is healthy, the top end talent in the east is comparable with the west, IMO. Its just the dregs of the east that make it so the conference records always favor the west.

kodo · Post #12 » by **kodo** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:19 am

cancer wrote:also, why does the eastern conference suck so much balls anyways?

3 of the best Eastern Conference players teams joined up on 1 team. That's going to cause some holes in the playoff pictures until those other two teams can rebuild.

But I think the drafting has a lot do with it. Ever since the big 2003 draft, the WC has all but monopolized every franchise level player that has been drafted.

2012: Davis (WC), Lillard (WC)
2011: Irving (EC)
2010: John Wall ? (EC), Cousins (WC)
2009: Blake (WC), Harden (WC), Curry (WC)
2008: Rose (EC), Westbrook (WC), Love (WC)
2007: Durant (WC)
2006: LMA (traded to WC), Roy (WC)
2005: Deron Williams (WC), CP3 (WC),
2004: Dwight (EC)

If Oden had stayed healthy it would be even more lopsided.

bearadonisdna · Post #13 » by **bearadonisdna** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:19 am

The talent disparity is over stated if there at all.
Just based on records vs conference. Bad teams in the east have allstar players so wat does interconference play prove.

If teams in their conference can't be competitive vs their peers, then they don't need to be in the dance.

bearadonisdna · Post #14 » by **bearadonisdna** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:20 am

The talent disparity is over stated if there at all.
Just based on records vs conference. Bad teams in the east have allstar players so wat does interconference play prove.

If teams in their conference can't be competitive vs their peers, then they don't need to be in the dance.

DusterBuster · Post #15 » by **DusterBuster** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:22 am

kodo wrote:
cancer wrote:also, why does the eastern conference suck so much balls anyways?

3 of the best Eastern Conference players teams joined up on 1 team. That's going to cause some holes in the playoff pictures until those other two teams can rebuild.

But I think the drafting has a lot do with it. Ever since the big 2003 draft, the WC has all but monopolized every franchise level player that has been drafted.

2012: Davis (WC), Lillard (WC)
2011: Irving (EC)
2010: John Wall ? (EC), Cousins (WC)
2009: Blake (WC), Harden (WC), Curry (WC)
2008: Rose (EC), Westbrook (WC), Love (WC)
2007: Durant (WC)
2006: LMA (traded to WC), Roy (WC)
2005: Deron Williams (WC), CP3 (WC),
2004: Dwight (EC)

If Oden had stayed healthy it would be even more lopsided.

Very good point.

FinNasty · Post #16 » by **FinNasty** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:31 am

The East isn't as deep as the West b/c all the good players in the East cheated and grouped up onto one team.

karkinos · Post #17 » by **karkinos** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:32 am

bearadonisdna wrote:The talent disparity is over stated if there at all.
Just based on records vs conference. Bad teams in the east have allstar players so wat does interconference play prove.

If teams in their conference can't be competitive vs their peers, then they don't need to be in the dance.

lol what
some of those players in the east wouldn't be all-stars in the west
paul george, luol deng???
are you joking me
i mean seriously
they wouldn't SNIFF the ballot on the west

interconference play proves the strength of schedule is harder on the west than the east
the eastern conference is a cupcake league who is lucky to have the best player in the game

Stephen Colbert · Post #18 » by **Stephen Colbert** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:39 am

Frank Mulely wrote:
mr.ankle wrote:I still the think the Bulls are better than Thunder if Derrick Rose is healthy .

That's silly. Bulls are like OKC minus KD. I can't see the current Bulls roster EVER beating OKC in a 7 game series.

Luol Deng is no Sefolosha, also you have Joakim Noah, Boozer, and Gibson. A very formidable front court and great team Defense. Not to mention Rose (when he was healthy) was better than Westbrook because he was more in control.
Edit: OKC would not be 3rd in the West without Westbrook and KD! :lol:

bearadonisdna · Post #19 » by **bearadonisdna** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:51 am

cancer wrote:
bearadonisdna wrote:The talent disparity is over stated if there at all.
Just based on records vs conference. Bad teams in the east have allstar players so wat does interconference play prove.

If teams in their conference can't be competitive vs their peers, then they don't need to be in the dance.

lol what
some of those players in the east wouldn't be all-stars in the west
paul george, luol deng???
are you joking me

i mean seriously
they wouldn't SNIFF the ballot on the west

interconference play proves the strength of schedule is harder on the west than the east
the eastern conference is a cupcake league who is lucky to have the best player in the game

Paul george and luol deng aren't on bad teams.
The west historically is the poorer defensive conference, its laughable to try and use the inflated west offensive numbers to puff ur chest.

karkinos · Post #20 » by **karkinos** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:53 am

bearadonisdna wrote:The west historically is the poorer defensive conference, its laughable to try and use the inflated west offensive numbers to puff ur chest.

lol then why does the east keep losing?