RealGM Team Preivew 2014 Season - Brooklyn Nets

[YogurtProducer]

Would love to trade Williams for an up and coming young point guard. The guy has had awful body language since joining the Nets.

He was running on bad wheels last year. I'm sure that effected him body language.

With PP gone. KG in his last year. And with his ankles cleaned up. And after missing the AS for the last two years after making it three years in a row. And with so many doubting him.

Do you think he will have and edge where he wants to prove he is a top PG again ?

I do.

Thing is he has been with the Nets for several years now and had shown bad body language every year. You need your leader to be poised or nobody is going to follow him. He has done jack in the playoffs since we got him. He plays like we doesn't want to be a part of the Nets.

Exactly, it's very unlikely Deron will return to who he was while with Utah

[naabzor]

I hope that Deron can come back, he was so fun to watch. And in the 2012-2013 season after the all star break he was beasting. Bogdanovic is legit, guy can ball.

[King4Day]

I have a serious question.
If the Nets knew they weren't going to keep Pierce, would they have taken the supposed deal from the Clippers which included Bullocks? Any reason why that deal never went down?

[hands11]

Would love to trade Williams for an up and coming young point guard. The guy has had awful body language since joining the Nets.

He was running on bad wheels last year. I'm sure that effected him body language.

With PP gone. KG in his last year. And with his ankles cleaned up. And after missing the AS for the last two years after making it three years in a row. And with so many doubting him.

Do you think he will have and edge where he wants to prove he is a top PG again ?

I do.

Thing is he has been with the Nets for several years now and had shown bad body language every year. You need your leader to be poised or nobody is going to follow him. He has done jack in the playoffs since we got him. He plays like we doesn't want to be a part of the Nets.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_ ... ing-losses

[TDevilsG]

I have a serious question.
If the Nets knew they weren't going to keep Pierce, would they have taken the supposed deal from the Clippers which included Bullocks? Any reason why that deal never went down?

They were actually shocked he didn't sign back with the Nets. They offered him a lot of money.

[kerry kittles]

I have a serious question.
If the Nets knew they weren't going to keep Pierce, would they have taken the supposed deal from the Clippers which included Bullocks? Any reason why that deal never went down?

They were actually shocked he didn't sign back with the Nets. They offered him a lot of money.

This is true either. It was a financial decision. It would've cost $20 million plus to keep Pierce with luxury tax implications. They didnt take the clippers S&T because the clippers were right up against the apron and would've needed to send back close to equal salary, so still an added $20 million.

Prok didn't want to pay all that much for a team that wasn't a contender.

[TDevilsG]

I have a serious question.
If the Nets knew they weren't going to keep Pierce, would they have taken the supposed deal from the Clippers which included Bullocks? Any reason why that deal never went down?

They were actually shocked he didn't sign back with the Nets. They offered him a lot of money.

This is true either. It was a financial decision. It would've cost $20 million plus to keep Pierce with luxury tax implications. They didnt take the clippers S&T because the clippers were right up against the apron and would've needed to send back close to equal salary, so still an added $20 million.

Prok didn't want to pay all that much for a team that wasn't a contender.

Nets were ready to pay him six to eight million a year. He wanted nine to ten million. Considering the lavish spending that Prokhorov has done in the past couple of years, what is one or two million more a year for arguably the best net last year?

[hands11]

East is wide open
Basically 6 teams have a shot to win the east and everyone has major question marks.

Cleveland - First year and with the lack of defense and playoff experience.
Chicago - Derrick Rose coming back from injuries and new players doesn't make them locks
Brooklyn - injury concerns for Deron and Lopez, if healthy can be contender.
Washington - Wildcard, Ariza was huge for them
Toronto - same team as last year can make it to 2nd round or take a step back.
With Miami looking in if Wade can stay healthy.

I keep hearing that Toronto is the same team as last year but that is far from the truth.
Yes the starting line-up is the same and 3 back-ups were resigned or retained.
But Toronto also traded for Lou Williams a good 6th man and James Johnson to give added size and toughness at SF which they lacked last year.
DeMar, Ross and Jonas will improve this year .
They also have added depth in Hamilton and Cherry.
The 2 rookies will not be a factor in 2014 Caboclo SF youngest player in the draft and Nogueira a C.


Washington is a very good team but they depend on youth Wall, Beal & Porter.
They lost Ariza for Pierce and Booker for Hump so really didn't do much to improve some would say Ariza is substantially better than Pierce.

Brooklyn like Chicago are whistling as they pass the grave yard everything needs to be perfect for them to be competitive. Chicago Rose, Gasol and Noah are healthy. In Brooklyn Williams, Lopez, KG and AK47 are healthy. Both Brooklyn and Chicago have European rookies Mirotic and Bogdanovic and is there a need to remind Brooklyn fans it took 2 years for Teletovic to play well. Chicago has a rookie in McDermott who seems to be a savior but is he.

Brooklyn is like Chicago if everything is perfect no injuries

The different is, teams with proven vets stand a better change then those that don't.

TOR didn't add any star experienced players. What extensive playoff or title experience exists on that roster ?

Like you said, TOR will rely on DeMar, Ross and Jonas will improve this year. I would add Amir Johnson as well.

It can be done. Yes. But if more likely teams that have more extensive experience stand a better chance.

For the Wizards, they have PP, Gortat, Nene, Blair, Gooden, Humphries and Miller to draw that experience.

BRK clearly has theirs as well. So does CHI.

[hands11]

He was running on bad wheels last year. I'm sure that effected him body language.

With PP gone. KG in his last year. And with his ankles cleaned up. And after missing the AS for the last two years after making it three years in a row. And with so many doubting him.

Do you think he will have and edge where he wants to prove he is a top PG again ?

I do.

Thing is he has been with the Nets for several years now and had shown bad body language every year. You need your leader to be poised or nobody is going to follow him. He has done jack in the playoffs since we got him. He plays like we doesn't want to be a part of the Nets.

Exactly, it's very unlikely Deron will return to who he was while with Utah

Making a statement without making a comprehensive case to support it doesn't carry much weight.

[hands11]

I hope that Deron can come back, he was so fun to watch. And in the 2012-2013 season after the all star break he was beasting. Bogdanovic is legit, guy can ball.

Be he got rest likely.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1914 ... oklyn-nets

He spent All-Star weekend in all-out ankle repair mode. A round of cortisone shots in each one and some platelet-rich plasma therapy treatment seemed to do the trick. In the final 28 games of the season, he poured in 22.9 points a night on .481/.420 shooting.

Dude has had injured ankles the last two year. He just get that addressed. Before the injuries, he was an elite PG.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_ ... ery-ankles

And from the looks of things, he is ahead of schedule.

http://www.netsdaily.com/2014/8/29/6084 ... n-where-he

[kerry kittles]

They were actually shocked he didn't sign back with the Nets. They offered him a lot of money.

This is true either. It was a financial decision. It would've cost $20 million plus to keep Pierce with luxury tax implications. They didnt take the clippers S&T because the clippers were right up against the apron and would've needed to send back close to equal salary, so still an added $20 million.

Prok didn't want to pay all that much for a team that wasn't a contender.

Nets were ready to pay him six to eight million a year. He wanted nine to ten million. Considering the lavish spending that Prokhorov has done in the past couple of years, what is one or two million more a year for arguably the best net last year?

No they weren't going to pay him that much.

"League sources say the Nets decided not to offer a deal to Pierce that would match or exceed the two-year, $11 million deal he finalized with the Wizards late Saturday night.

The Nets owned Pierce’s Bird Rights and could have paid him as much as they wanted. But they passed on Pierce for a couple of reasons: They didn’t think they were going to win a championship with Pierce and this current roster and they also wanted to start developing some of their younger talent, according to sources.

Remember those days of Prokhorov spending money like it was going out of style? After the basketball side of the Nets’ business lost a projected $144 million over the 2013-14 season, as reported by Grantland’s Zach Lowe, Brooklyn is going to be a bit more thoughtful about its spending.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/brookl ... tle-window

[YogurtProducer]

Thing is he has been with the Nets for several years now and had shown bad body language every year. You need your leader to be poised or nobody is going to follow him. He has done jack in the playoffs since we got him. He plays like we doesn't want to be a part of the Nets.

Exactly, it's very unlikely Deron will return to who he was while with Utah

Making a statement without making a comprehensive case to support it doesn't carry much weight.

I honestly can't tell if you believe yourself or you are just a troll.

Here's my case, even before last season Deron wasn't anywhere near the player he was while with Utah (an Allstar) it's insane to think this year after 3 off years (including one with a year full of bad ankles and floating bones) he will return to All-Star form. Even Joe Johnson being an Allstar last year was kind of a joke. They lost PP, who was their best player. They lost Livingston, who Deron greatly benefitted from. And their"Allstar" center just came off a major injury, which in the past has shown foot injuries on bigs can be career altering. AK47 is a shell of his past self. KG is declining, fast. None of the rookies are going to make an impact large enough to matter. Jarett Jack is not a replacement for Livingston and PP. Without those two you're going to have to revert back to playing through Brook and hoping to god he doesn't hurt himself again.

Too many variables in play here, too many things have to go exactly right. Sorry, I don't buy it

[wjun15]

DWill's best years are behind him. I am NEVER taking that dude on fantasy team ever again

[cammac]

East is wide open
Basically 6 teams have a shot to win the east and everyone has major question marks.

Cleveland - First year and with the lack of defense and playoff experience.
Chicago - Derrick Rose coming back from injuries and new players doesn't make them locks
Brooklyn - injury concerns for Deron and Lopez, if healthy can be contender.
Washington - Wildcard, Ariza was huge for them
Toronto - same team as last year can make it to 2nd round or take a step back.
With Miami looking in if Wade can stay healthy.

I keep hearing that Toronto is the same team as last year but that is far from the truth.
Yes the starting line-up is the same and 3 back-ups were resigned or retained.
But Toronto also traded for Lou Williams a good 6th man and James Johnson to give added size and toughness at SF which they lacked last year.
DeMar, Ross and Jonas will improve this year .
They also have added depth in Hamilton and Cherry.
The 2 rookies will not be a factor in 2014 Caboclo SF youngest player in the draft and Nogueira a C.


Washington is a very good team but they depend on youth Wall, Beal & Porter.
They lost Ariza for Pierce and Booker for Hump so really didn't do much to improve some would say Ariza is substantially better than Pierce.

Brooklyn like Chicago are whistling as they pass the grave yard everything needs to be perfect for them to be competitive. Chicago Rose, Gasol and Noah are healthy. In Brooklyn Williams, Lopez, KG and AK47 are healthy. Both Brooklyn and Chicago have European rookies Mirotic and Bogdanovic and is there a need to remind Brooklyn fans it took 2 years for Teletovic to play well. Chicago has a rookie in McDermott who seems to be a savior but is he.

Brooklyn is like Chicago if everything is perfect no injuries

The different is, teams with proven vets stand a better change then those that don't.

TOR didn't add any star experienced players. What extensive playoff or title experience exists on that roster ?

Like you said, TOR will rely on DeMar, Ross and Jonas will improve this year. I would add Amir Johnson as well.

It can be done. Yes. But if more likely teams that have more extensive experience stand a better chance.

For the Wizards, they have PP, Gortat, Nene, Blair, Gooden, Humphries and Miller to draw that experience.

BRK clearly has theirs as well. So does CHI.

Frankly it doesn't mean a thing Brooklyn was extremely lucky to beat the Raptors who had zero experience last year. 1 point in 7 game with more experience than they have last year.

You have a team that is totally less than 28 years old except for Hayes. Toronto, Indiana & Miami wee the only teams in the East that had winning records against the West last year. Toronto had a problem with Johnson last year lacking the size to confront him they added James Johnson to the roster to neutralize him.

For a team like Brooklyn one year older isn't a good thing but one year older is a good thing for the Raptors.

Washington is a good team and are improving like the Raptors where Toronto is much better is depth.

The one thing is that Toronto isn't a injury prone team and has a great medical staff which is the best in the East and likely equal to Phoenix.

Your arguments are factitious with absolutely no credibility.

[JimmyTD3]

OP were you the guy who mentioned Shaq recovering on 'Vicent Kompany" time a few weeks back, this is a similar lever of cleverness

[hands11]

I keep hearing that Toronto is the same team as last year but that is far from the truth.
Yes the starting line-up is the same and 3 back-ups were resigned or retained.
But Toronto also traded for Lou Williams a good 6th man and James Johnson to give added size and toughness at SF which they lacked last year.
DeMar, Ross and Jonas will improve this year .
They also have added depth in Hamilton and Cherry.
The 2 rookies will not be a factor in 2014 Caboclo SF youngest player in the draft and Nogueira a C.


Washington is a very good team but they depend on youth Wall, Beal & Porter.
They lost Ariza for Pierce and Booker for Hump so really didn't do much to improve some would say Ariza is substantially better than Pierce.

Brooklyn like Chicago are whistling as they pass the grave yard everything needs to be perfect for them to be competitive. Chicago Rose, Gasol and Noah are healthy. In Brooklyn Williams, Lopez, KG and AK47 are healthy. Both Brooklyn and Chicago have European rookies Mirotic and Bogdanovic and is there a need to remind Brooklyn fans it took 2 years for Teletovic to play well. Chicago has a rookie in McDermott who seems to be a savior but is he.

Brooklyn is like Chicago if everything is perfect no injuries

The different is, teams with proven vets stand a better change then those that don't.

TOR didn't add any star experienced players. What extensive playoff or title experience exists on that roster ?

Like you said, TOR will rely on DeMar, Ross and Jonas will improve this year. I would add Amir Johnson as well.

It can be done. Yes. But if more likely teams that have more extensive experience stand a better chance.

For the Wizards, they have PP, Gortat, Nene, Blair, Gooden, Humphries and Miller to draw that experience.

BRK clearly has theirs as well. So does CHI.

Frankly it doesn't mean a thing Brooklyn was extremely lucky to beat the Raptors who had zero experience last year. 1 point in 7 game with more experience than they have last year.

You have a team that is totally less than 28 years old except for Hayes. Toronto, Indiana & Miami wee the only teams in the East that had winning records against the West last year. Toronto had a problem with Johnson last year lacking the size to confront him they added James Johnson to the roster to neutralize him.

For a team like Brooklyn one year older isn't a good thing but one year older is a good thing for the Raptors.

Washington is a good team and are improving like the Raptors where Toronto is much better is depth.

The one thing is that Toronto isn't a injury prone team and has a great medical staff which is the best in the East and likely equal to Phoenix.

Your arguments are factitious with absolutely no credibility.

Really. Youre going to argue against proven vet playoff and title experience making a difference and in doing so point to how TOR just gained another year of experience ?

Your arguments are factitious with absolutely no credibility

[hands11]

OP were you the guy who mentioned Shaq recovering on 'Vicent Kompany" time a few weeks back, this is a similar lever of cleverness

I have no idea what that even means so .. No, that wasn't me.

[Prokorov]

I hope that Deron can come back, he was so fun to watch. And in the 2012-2013 season after the all star break he was beasting. Bogdanovic is legit, guy can ball.

Be he got rest likely.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1914 ... oklyn-nets

He spent All-Star weekend in all-out ankle repair mode. A round of cortisone shots in each one and some platelet-rich plasma therapy treatment seemed to do the trick. In the final 28 games of the season, he poured in 22.9 points a night on .481/.420 shooting.

Dude has had injured ankles the last two year. He just get that addressed. Before the injuries, he was an elite PG.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_ ... ery-ankles

And from the looks of things, he is ahead of schedule.

http://www.netsdaily.com/2014/8/29/6084 ... n-where-he

addressing doesnt mean it goes away. bone chips and bone spurs are the symprtoms of an underlying cause... bone on bone friction. at best he has bought time. and i wouldnt count on someone with such a horrible work ethic to bounce back from offseason surgery quickly.

i still think jack takes his job at some point and hollins isnt the klind of guy who caters to stars

[Prokorov]

Frankly it doesn't mean a thing Brooklyn was extremely lucky to beat the Raptors who had zero experience last year. 1 point in 7 game with more experience than they have last year.

you dont "luckily" win a 7 game series.... thats why they play best of 7, to take the luck out of it. unless one team suffers a major injury and loses its best player(like the bulls losing rose in the 76ers series) then luck is a non factor.

the raps had game 7 at home vs and inferior nets team with no heart. they should have blown our doors out and it should never have come down to a last shot... speaking of that last shot, a veteran team doesnt have its player bull rush a triple team forcing a shot while teammates are wide open.

For a team like Brooklyn one year older isn't a good thing but one year older is a good thing for the Raptors.

nets got younger in the offseason. and got rid of one of their oldest starting players.

The one thing is that Toronto isn't a injury prone team and has a great medical staff which is the best in the East and likely equal to Phoenix.

Your arguments are factitious with absolutely no credibility.

credibility? you basically just said that experience doesnt matter... then say the raps are better because they are a year older.

[cammac]

The different is, teams with proven vets stand a better change then those that don't.

TOR didn't add any star experienced players. What extensive playoff or title experience exists on that roster ?

Like you said, TOR will rely on DeMar, Ross and Jonas will improve this year. I would add Amir Johnson as well.

It can be done. Yes. But if more likely teams that have more extensive experience stand a better chance.

For the Wizards, they have PP, Gortat, Nene, Blair, Gooden, Humphries and Miller to draw that experience.

BRK clearly has theirs as well. So does CHI.

Frankly it doesn't mean a thing Brooklyn was extremely lucky to beat the Raptors who had zero experience last year. 1 point in 7 game with more experience than they have last year.

You have a team that is totally less than 28 years old except for Hayes. Toronto, Indiana & Miami wee the only teams in the East that had winning records against the West last year. Toronto had a problem with Johnson last year lacking the size to confront him they added James Johnson to the roster to neutralize him.

For a team like Brooklyn one year older isn't a good thing but one year older is a good thing for the Raptors.

Washington is a good team and are improving like the Raptors where Toronto is much better is depth.

The one thing is that Toronto isn't a injury prone team and has a great medical staff which is the best in the East and likely equal to Phoenix.

Your arguments are factitious with absolutely no credibility.

Really. Youre going to argue against proven vet playoff and title experience making a difference and in doing so point to how TOR just gained another year of experience ?

Your arguments are factitious with absolutely no credibility[/q

Joe Johnson 33 is aging well but definitely end of prime
Deron Williams 30 not aging well 3 more years
Lopez 26 injury history C with foot trouble Yao
KG 38 shadow of the player he once was
Jack 31 always a back-up not no longer elite back-up
AK47 34 injury prone
Mirza 29 decent back-up
Karasev bad on a terrible Cleveland team
Plumlee has a good future
Bogdanovic 25 Rookie will take time to adjust.


Lowry 28 coming into prime
DeMar 25 still improving
Ross 23 #&D still learning improving
Amir 27 solid all round player injury concern because of ankles but plays through it.
Valanciunas 21 improving offensively and defensively
Vasquez 27 very good back-up PG
Lou Williams 28 good 6th man
James Johnson 27 big strong tough limited offensively strong defensively
Patterson 25 good offensively average defensively
Hansbrough 29 3rd PF player other teams hate to play against

Rather have those 10 players rather than Brooklyn's mash unit

Not including players like Hamilton, Cherry, Nogueira and Caboclo who are rookies or depth players.
Fields and Hayes are useless.