GDT 11/22

Masterfully · Post #181 » by **Masterfully** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:39 am

zimpy27 wrote:Kobe 0-10 from 3 last two games. 6-21 from field tonight. When is he going to stop?

Lakers look lost whenever he comes onto the floor.

Post #182 » by **Goudelock** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:41 am

laika wrote:
StitchJones wrote:
laika wrote:
This is completely false. Kobe has the best +/- among the Lakers rotation players.

It is truly amazing how poor the level of analysis there is regarding Kobe on realgm. Why is one player so hated above all others that he makes people lose their minds?

Are you watching the game tonight? There was a stretch that he missed 9 straight on iso's and did not pass the ball to wide open players. Plus minus be dammed. I know bad basketball when I see it. He still has a gunner mentality but not the game to complement it.

This is not an arguable point. It is literally impossible for a player with the best +/- to be the worst player on a team.

Well then, Kobe is doing the impossible :lol:

frothbrain · Post #183 » by **frothbrain** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:42 am

_'angelo russell gets a pass until kobe is gone from the lakers.

laika · Post #184 » by **laika** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:49 am

PockyCandy wrote:
laika wrote:
StitchJones wrote:
Are you watching the game tonight? There was a stretch that he missed 9 straight on iso's and did not pass the ball to wide open players. Plus minus be dammed. I know bad basketball when I see it. He still has a gunner mentality but not the game to complement it.

This is not an arguable point. It is literally impossible for a player with the best +/- to be the worst player on a team.

Well then, Kobe is doing the impossible

Obviously Kobe wasn't great tonight. But it's pretty weird that Kobe is being singled out for criticism when once again the Lakers were better with Kobe on the court.

Russell- neg 17
Randle- neg 16
Kobe- neg 6

Here is the hard fact that Laker fans need to face- It's your young players that suck. Kobe and the other veterans are actually making the Lakers better this year.

Masterfully · Post #185 » by **Masterfully** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:52 am

laika wrote:
PockyCandy wrote:
laika wrote:
This is not an arguable point. It is literally impossible for a player with the best +/- to be the worst player on a team.

Well then, Kobe is doing the impossible

Obviously Kobe wasn't great tonight. But it's pretty weird that Kobe is being singled out for criticism when once again the Lakers were better with Kobe on the court.

Russell- neg 17
Randle- neg 16
Kobe- neg 6

Here is the hard fact that Laker fans need to face- It's your young players that suck. Kobe and the other veterans are actually making the Lakers better this year.

Not sure where you get your stats. Among Laker rotation players Kobe is BY FAR the worst in PER, WS/48 and BPM.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2016.html?lid=standings_team

laika · Post #186 » by **laika** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:54 am

Masterfully wrote:
laika wrote:
PockyCandy wrote:
Well then, Kobe is doing the impossible

Obviously Kobe wasn't great tonight. But it's pretty weird that Kobe is being singled out for criticism when once again the Lakers were better with Kobe on the court.

Russell- neg 17
Randle- neg 16
Kobe- neg 6

Here is the hard fact that Laker fans need to face- It's your young players that suck. Kobe and the other veterans are actually making the Lakers better this year.

Not sure where you get your stats. Among Laker rotation players Kobe is BY FAR the worst in PER, WS/48 and BPM.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2016.html?lid=standings_team

Winning is what matters, not some random box score accumulation stat.

Masterfully · Post #187 » by **Masterfully** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:55 am

laika wrote:
Masterfully wrote:
laika wrote:
Obviously Kobe wasn't great tonight. But it's pretty weird that Kobe is being singled out for criticism when once again the Lakers were better with Kobe on the court.

Russell- neg 17
Randle- neg 16
Kobe- neg 6

Here is the hard fact that Laker fans need to face- It's your young players that suck. Kobe and the other veterans are actually making the Lakers better this year.

Not sure where you get your stats. Among Laker rotation players Kobe is BY FAR the worst in PER, WS/48 and BPM.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2016.html?lid=standings_team

Winning is what matters, not some random box score accumulation stat.

LOLOLOL. What?!? You're the one that keep rolling out BPM. He's the worst on the team. It's not arguable.

OptionZero · Post #188 » by **OptionZero** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:56 am

The Lakers aren't winning, in case you haven't noticed, and Kobe is one reason why.

Kabookalu · Post #189 » by **Kabookalu** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:58 am

Mason Plumlee has been an awesome waiver pickup for me.

Post #190 » by **Goudelock** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:01 am

OptionZero wrote:The Lakers aren't winning, in case you haven't noticed, and Kobe is one reason why.

My reasons in no particular order:

Kobe's everything
Byron Freaking Scott
Clarkson and Russell's defense
Byron Freaking Scott deciding that Brandon Bass can play center despite all evidence against this notion
Julius Randle having no moves besides "Full speed ahead!"
Byron Freaking Scott letting the Three Chuckers do whatever they want

StitchJones · Post #191 » by **StitchJones** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:02 am

laika wrote:
StitchJones wrote:
laika wrote:
This is completely false. Kobe has the best +/- among the Lakers rotation players.

It is truly amazing how poor the level of analysis there is regarding Kobe on realgm. Why is one player so hated above all others that he makes people lose their minds?

Are you watching the game tonight? There was a stretch that he missed 9 straight on iso's and did not pass the ball to wide open players. Plus minus be dammed. I know bad basketball when I see it. He still has a gunner mentality but not the game to complement it.

This is not an arguable point. It is literally impossible for a player with the best +/- to be the worst player on a team.

Who said anything about worst player on the team? I'm saying his gunner mentality and low field goal percentage is hurting the team. He needs to cut the attempts in half and get more shots to Clarkson, Randle, and Russell.

laika · Post #192 » by **laika** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:04 am

I'm sure no one will bother to look it up, so I'll list the +/- scores for the Lakers. The bad news- Laker fans are completely wrong about Kobe, Randle and Russell. The good news- You should be tanking this season anyways. If you get the second worst record you'll retain most of the expected value of your pick.

Kobe plus 6.5
Young plus 3.3
Nance plus 1.9

Clarkson 0.0

Williams neg .7
Metta neg .6
Hibbert neg 1.9

Randle neg 8.1
Russell neg 8.1
Bass neg 8.6

Nick Sigler · Post #193 » by **Nick Sigler** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:07 am

laika wrote:
PockyCandy wrote:
laika wrote:
This is not an arguable point. It is literally impossible for a player with the best +/- to be the worst player on a team.

Well then, Kobe is doing the impossible

Obviously Kobe wasn't great tonight. But it's pretty weird that Kobe is being singled out for criticism when once again the Lakers were better with Kobe on the court.

Russell- neg 17
Randle- neg 16
Kobe- neg 6

Here is the hard fact that Laker fans need to face- It's your young players that suck. Kobe and the other veterans are actually making the Lakers better this year.

Watch the games and stop being a box score analyst.

Masterfully · Post #194 » by **Masterfully** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:08 am

Kobe offensive rating 90, defensive rating 110. Worse than all but Kelly and Sacre.

Luke2334 · Post #195 » by **Luke2334** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:09 am

zimpy27 wrote:The Mudiay crossover on Curry here was great. The kid looks good, his change of pace with the ball reminds me of Wade.

Because he got tripped ?

No, he didn't make him look silly. He was tripped and everyone looks silly when they are tripped.

Oh, and he totally carried the ball. Not even close. Beside that, sure, he made Curry look silly.

Post #196 » by **zimpy27** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:22 am

Luke2334 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:The Mudiay crossover on Curry here was great. The kid looks good, his change of pace with the ball reminds me of Wade.

Because he got tripped ?

No, he didn't make him look silly. He was tripped and everyone looks silly when they are tripped.

Oh, and he totally carried the ball. Not even close. Beside that, sure, he made Curry look silly.

Tripped while beginning to run in the other direction...

That's about as good as it gets when it comes to misdirection in the NBA and yet there's always someone like you who tries to claims the defender tripped. Yes, that's part of the misdirection, the loss of proprioreception. What do you expect from a good misdirection? Does the defender have to keep running off the court, down to the change rooms and on to the team bus?

laika · Post #197 » by **laika** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:26 am

Masterfully wrote:
laika wrote:
Masterfully wrote:
Not sure where you get your stats. Among Laker rotation players Kobe is BY FAR the worst in PER, WS/48 and BPM.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2016.html?lid=standings_team

Winning is what matters, not some random box score accumulation stat.

LOLOLOL. What?!? You're the one that keep rolling out BPM. He's the worst on the team. It's not arguable.

BPM has nothing to do with +/-.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #198 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:27 am

Kobe is shooting 32-33% for the season on 16 FGAs/g. Dang.

TaylorMonkey · Post #199 » by **TaylorMonkey** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:19 am

zimpy27 wrote:
Luke2334 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:The Mudiay crossover on Curry here was great. The kid looks good, his change of pace with the ball reminds me of Wade.

Because he got tripped ?

No, he didn't make him look silly. He was tripped and everyone looks silly when they are tripped.

Oh, and he totally carried the ball. Not even close. Beside that, sure, he made Curry look silly.

Tripped while beginning to run in the other direction...

That's about as good as it gets when it comes to misdirection in the NBA and yet there's always someone like you who tries to claims the defender tripped. Yes, that's part of the misdirection, the loss of proprioreception. What do you expect from a good misdirection? Does the defender have to keep running off the court, down to the change rooms and on to the team bus?

He's talking about how Curry was tripped by Jokic's foot that was set outside of his own. When Mudiay went left, Curry tried to follow and attempted to plant his left foot out for support-- which was already up against Jokic's planted foot. That's why Curry does a funky shake to Mudiay's left before he trips and lunges right because he can't get his foot out enough. The video shows it pretty clearly. And then Mudiay carried, but whatever.

Post #200 » by **zimpy27** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:38 am

TaylorMonkey wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Luke2334 wrote:
Because he got tripped ?

No, he didn't make him look silly. He was tripped and everyone looks silly when they are tripped.

Oh, and he totally carried the ball. Not even close. Beside that, sure, he made Curry look silly.

Tripped while beginning to run in the other direction...

That's about as good as it gets when it comes to misdirection in the NBA and yet there's always someone like you who tries to claims the defender tripped. Yes, that's part of the misdirection, the loss of proprioreception. What do you expect from a good misdirection? Does the defender have to keep running off the court, down to the change rooms and on to the team bus?

He's talking about how Curry was tripped by Jokic's foot that was set outside of his own. When Mudiay went left, Curry tried to follow and attempted to plant his left foot out for support-- which was already up against Jokic's planted foot. That's why Curry does a funky shake to Mudiay's left before he trips and lunges right because he can't get his foot out enough. The video shows it pretty clearly. And then Mudiay carried, but whatever.

Goes in for closer look..

Nope.