76ers should trade Joel Embiid before teams realize he is the next Greg Oden.
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What are the chance of a 10th pick turning out to be a great player? 1 to 5% chance?
The chances of Embiid staying healthy for 10 years are better than that.
I would keep Embiid, because the potential is just there. He should have been a 1st pick.
The chances of Embiid staying healthy for 10 years are better than that.
I would keep Embiid, because the potential is just there. He should have been a 1st pick.
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You can't trade Embiid right now, you should never sell low, it just doesn't make sense. He's under contract for 2 more years, might as well wait it out. I've never been particularly optimistic about Embiid though, I've always felt that people put him on a pedestal that he'll never reach in actuality.
It's going to be interesting to see who the 76rs select this year though, this should be the year that they start the upward climb. They are still a long ways away though.
It's going to be interesting to see who the 76rs select this year though, this should be the year that they start the upward climb. They are still a long ways away though.
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He's not the next Oden. Oden actually played some quality basketball before getting hurt.
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He hasn't played basketball at any level in nearly 2 1/2 years. By the time he comes back its going to be 3... It will take him 1-2 years to even get acclimated at an NBA level (Because he's only played against college kids for a few months), and its going to take a couple of more years for him to even develop. By that time he'll be around 25-26 years of age.
He was pretty raw coming out of college... And to say he has "Hakeem" potential at this point is ridiculous. His trajectory is probably a Zydrunas Ilgauskas type career at best at this point.
He was pretty raw coming out of college... And to say he has "Hakeem" potential at this point is ridiculous. His trajectory is probably a Zydrunas Ilgauskas type career at best at this point.
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1UPZ wrote:Lol at the Hakeem comparisons still.
People who saw Hakeem play in the mid 80s and in his prime knows Hakeem's agility and skill level is once in a lifetime...
Embiid will be a good player if he stays healthy... But the Hakeem comparisons are crazy....
it is crazy, Embiid is still growing and he is already 7'2 with like a 7'6 wingspan and weighs like 270 lbs. Embiid doesn't have Hak's agility or quickness but Embiid at 7'2 and 270 lbs will finesse the sht out of his opponents as well as bully them in the paint. He has that type of skill level.
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What is his status? Is he projected to actually play this upcoming year?
Side note, the one big man to have major foot injuries early in their career and go on to play for 10+ years at a high rate was Zydrunas Ilgauskas. He is a finesse big though, Embiid is a athletic big. Even if his feet do go 'back to normal-ish' history says he has a extremely high hill to climb to have a above average long NBA career without another injury.
Side note, the one big man to have major foot injuries early in their career and go on to play for 10+ years at a high rate was Zydrunas Ilgauskas. He is a finesse big though, Embiid is a athletic big. Even if his feet do go 'back to normal-ish' history says he has a extremely high hill to climb to have a above average long NBA career without another injury.
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If already is at that status, if not worse.
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No.
And his draft was dreadful, so other than trading the pick, picking him wasn't all that bad.
Real question when are you guys trade either of noel or okafor, or both if embiid isn't completely done?
And his draft was dreadful, so other than trading the pick, picking him wasn't all that bad.
Real question when are you guys trade either of noel or okafor, or both if embiid isn't completely done?
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JF5 wrote:He hasn't played basketball at any level in nearly 2 1/2 years. By the time he comes back its going to be 3... It will take him 1-2 years to even get acclimated at an NBA level (Because he's only played against college kids for a few months), and its going to take a couple of more years for him to even develop. By that time he'll be around 25-26 years of age.
He was pretty raw coming out of college... And to say he has "Hakeem" potential at this point is ridiculous. His trajectory is probably a Zydrunas Ilgauskas type career at best at this point.
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LivingLegend wrote:What is his status? Is he projected to actually play this upcoming year?
Side note, the one big man to have major foot injuries early in their career and go on to play for 10+ years at a high rate was Zydrunas Ilgauskas. He is a finesse big though, Embiid is a athletic big. Even if his feet do go 'back to normal-ish' history says he has a extremely high hill to climb to have a above average long NBA career without another injury.
10+ years, sure, but him and Walton are only bigs to have suffered this injury to have 10+ years left in their careers anyways (besides Embiid, obviously). McHale suffered injury later into his career, as did Yao - McHale played a majority of his remaining games, Yao didn't.
Zydrunas Ilgauskas (played 756 of a possible 902 games)
Kevin McHale (played 419 of a possible 492 games)
Bill Walton (played 259 of a possible 738 games)
Yao Ming (played 82 of a possible 246 games)
Numbers following their names are 'how many games they played in' to 'how many games they could have played in' in their careers following the injury. Obviously other injuries or just by simply missing games will skew the numbers, but can see who overcame it at least.
CoreyGallagher wrote:I hope the Cavs don't take Embiid because then we'll take Embiid.
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JF5 wrote:He hasn't played basketball at any level in nearly 2 1/2 years. By the time he comes back its going to be 3... It will take him 1-2 years to even get acclimated at an NBA level (Because he's only played against college kids for a few months), and its going to take a couple of more years for him to even develop. By that time he'll be around 25-26 years of age.
He was pretty raw coming out of college... And to say he has "Hakeem" potential at this point is ridiculous. His trajectory is probably a Zydrunas Ilgauskas type career at best at this point.
It would be Ilgauskas at best if the potential of pre-injury Embiid and the potential of pre-injury Ilgauskas were equal.
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Milbuck wrote:They've spent two years on this kid, given him every treatment/surgery/procedure possible, taken him to Qatar to see the best professionals available, and he's progressing well and about to do 2on2 work shortly, showing a lot of promising signs..and they should trade him now?
Agree. Too much invested in Embiid to even consider trading him.
And when coaches/teammates have seen Embiid workout ? The reviews are off the charts , like people who have been in the nba all their lives are in awe of Embiids talent.
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JF5 wrote:He hasn't played basketball at any level in nearly 2 1/2 years. By the time he comes back its going to be 3... It will take him 1-2 years to even get acclimated at an NBA level (Because he's only played against college kids for a few months), and its going to take a couple of more years for him to even develop. By that time he'll be around 25-26 years of age.
This year is going to be a reawkening for Embiid. He'll probably play 15-20 minutes a game irst half of season. Fork in the road at that point. If he is handling things well they will ramp it up. Or if he has a setback , well I dont
even want to think about that.
If no problems healthwise imo he will be ready to go full speed in 2017-2018. Not buying the 3-4 year timeline.
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RingsDontLie wrote:baldur wrote:So, the 76ers will realize he is the next oden, but the other teams wont. wow.
It's a gamble. Your betting on he doesn't turn into Greg Oden and gives you that huge upside.
For the Sixers it is a gamble, but when any other team sees the team that is the most familiar with the situation going "nope, we are cashing out" it immediately becomes a much worse gamble. The mere fact of putting him on the trading block tells other teams all they need to know about their odds.
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improper wrote:He's not the next Oden. Oden actually played some quality basketball before getting hurt.
hopefully if he plays hes not the next Anthony Bennett right?
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RingsDontLie wrote:6rings4LeClutch wrote:His value isn't high enough so why not see if he becomes Hakeem.
The fact that you think he even has the remote possibility to become Hakeem shows that he still could command a decent trade.
That's not a lot of value. Draymond Green could check Hakeem..
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Milbuck wrote:They've spent two years on this kid, given him every treatment/surgery/procedure possible, taken him to Qatar to see the best professionals available, and he's progressing well and about to do 2on2 work shortly, showing a lot of promising signs..and they should trade him now? Especially when no team is going to give up anything significant? It's looking entirely likely that he plays this season, they need to just wait and see what they have, because the upside is generational. If it fails, it fails, and they build with or around Simmons/Ingram, Okafor, Noel, Saric, etc. But at this point, trading Embiid for some meh piece that won't mean much in the long run makes no sense.
Best professionals available are in Qatar?? I doubt that.
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FirePjax wrote:Milbuck wrote:They've spent two years on this kid, given him every treatment/surgery/procedure possible, taken him to Qatar to see the best professionals available, and he's progressing well and about to do 2on2 work shortly, showing a lot of promising signs..and they should trade him now? Especially when no team is going to give up anything significant? It's looking entirely likely that he plays this season, they need to just wait and see what they have, because the upside is generational. If it fails, it fails, and they build with or around Simmons/Ingram, Okafor, Noel, Saric, etc. But at this point, trading Embiid for some meh piece that won't mean much in the long run makes no sense.
Best professionals available are in Qatar?? I doubt that.
I'm not familiar with sports facilities, but supposedly "[Aspetar] is world-renowned and known for having some of the best sports medicine doctors, rehab specialists, orthopedic surgeons, sports psychologists, and dieticians; the whole gamut."
Regardless, though, they were also flexible.
More importantly, the Sixers were able to work with Aspetar's staff to develop a custom-designed plan that "kicks off" the next phase of Embiid's rehab. And, for what it's worth, one of the experts the Sixers reached out to prior to Embiid's second surgery hails from Qatar, so it's likely that the physician in question had a hand in crafting Embiid's rehab program.
CoreyGallagher wrote:I hope the Cavs don't take Embiid because then we'll take Embiid.
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SMH wrote:improper wrote:He's not the next Oden. Oden actually played some quality basketball before getting hurt.
hopefully if he plays hes not the next Anthony Bennett right?
Cavs are about to be in the Finals. If you think bringing up Anthony Bennett hurts right now, you would be wrong.
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I don't think he has "no" value. But I agree it's not worth it. I think at best you are getting lottery pick after 10. I'd trade the 12 for him pretty easily.
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